2023 San Francisco 49ers.

[trekfan55]

I cannot come up with a good catch phrase for the title.

So after the Super Bowl is done we can start to talk about the team for the 2023 season.

As expected, Demeco Ryan was hired away. I am very happy with Wilks as the new DC (would have also liked Fangio too).

Lance and Purdy are expected to be ready for training camp and they should compete for the starting job. I love Purdy and what he did, but I believe Shanahan will have them compete.
On the one hand, I think Lance's style better fits his overall offense, on the other Purdy has proven himself in the line of fireand is yet to lose a game (the record says otherwise but I will not count the Eagles NFCCG against him). And additionally, the team is very comfortable with Purdy. How Shanahan handles this will be really important.

They are about to lose a couple of players, the main ones are McGlinchey in the OL and Jimi Ward in the backfield. Plus they only have like 10MM in cap space before they start restructuring.
They need to reinforce the OL, bug time.
Also, an EDGE rusher to go on the other side of Bosa.
I would resign Gould as well. Having a good/stable kicker is a bonus.

Those are my thoughts for now.

 

[PC Drunken Friar]

I cannot come up with a good catch phrase for the title.

So after the Super Bowl is done we can start to talk about the team for the 2023 season.

As expected, Demeco Ryan was hired away. I am very happy with Wilks as the new DC (would have also liked Fangio too).

Lance and Purdy are expected to be ready for training camp and they should compete for the starting job. I love Purdy and what he did, but I believe Shanahan will have them compete.
On the one hand, I think Lance's style better fits his overall offense, on the other Purdy has proven himself in the line of fireand is yet to lose a game (the record says otherwise but I will not count the Eagles NFCCG against him). And additionally, the team is very comfortable with Purdy. How Shanahan handles this will be really important.

They are about to lose a couple of players, the main ones are McGlinchey in the OL and Jimi Ward in the backfield. Plus they only have like 10MM in cap space before they start restructuring.
They need to reinforce the OL, bug time.
Also, an EDGE rusher to go on the other side of Bosa.
I would resign Gould as well. Having a good/stable kicker is a bonus.

Those are my thoughts for now.

They are getting 2 extra 3rd round picks (and 2 extra in 2024/2025) for developing Demarco Ryan and Ron Carthon.

 

[bsj]

If they go with Purdy, I really hope they trade Lance. Kid is too good and too young to just rot away as a backup. Trade him for probably some pretty good return, sign a vet, and roll.

Purdy on the other hand is probably fine sitting as a backup

 

[tims4wins]

2023 Niners: Sitting Purdy

 

[heavyde050]

I actually think that Purdy is a better fit for the offense. I mean sure Lance has the running ability and stronger arm, but I have not seen Shanahan's offense run as smoothly/efficiently as it did with Purdy, and I have been going to games at Levi's since before they even got Jimmy G.
This article explains one of the reasons that Purdy was so effective for the 49ers. I think they Lance and Purdy should compete, but Purdy should head into camp as the starter. I get falling in love with tools, but Lance has never really had the chance or shown that he can be the guy for a team with SB aspirations. It is a good situation to be in for the 49ers. They have two young QBs on rookie deals.

Edit - If Lance does win the job, Purdy would be a heck of a backup, and if Purdy wins, the 49ers could probably trade Lance for something good. At least something like a 2nd round pick that turns into a first rounder if Lance meets some conditions. If they can't get enough of a return, just keep them both next year.

 

[trekfan55]

The thing about Lance os he hasn't played consistent football in like 3-4 years.

Sure he has the tools, but he has a lot to prove. I do disagree with "experts" proclaiming him as a failure though.
On the other hand, Purdy showed everything. He came in and won vs the Dolphins (a team that was riding high at that time). Then kept winning in different ways and came back vs the Raides plus came back while trailing at the half vs the Seahawks in the playoffs. Then he faced an incredible defense in Dallas, with Micah Parsons being all over the place and won.

They are in a good situation but they should make up their minds early in Training Camp. There has to be a lot of pressure on Shanahan/Lynch for Lance to develop successfully. They mortgaged a lot for him.

 

[heavyde050]

For sure Lance is not a failure. But injuries happen and it is tough to give up on Purdy when he did everything the team could possibly ask.
He even went back out with a shredded elbow to finish a game.
I mean the one thing I have always respected about BB and the Pats is the lack of hesitation in playing the best guy regardless of draft status. I do know that Shanahan/Lynch gave up a ton for Lance, but if they ended up finding the QB of the future with the last pick in the subsequent draft, at least they found the guy.
Good problem to have.

 

[trekfan55]

For sure Lance is not a failure. But injuries happen and it is tough to give up on Purdy when he did everything the team could possibly ask.
He even went back out with a shredded elbow to finish a game.
I mean the one thing I have always respected about BB and the Pats is the lack of hesitation in playing the best guy regardless of draft status. I do know that Shanahan/Lynch gave up a ton for Lance, but if they ended up finding the QB of the future with the last pick in the subsequent draft, at least they found the guy.
Good problem to have.

I think that is the main point.

BB knew that Brady was better (maybe he even thought so before Bledsoe was injured). He also thought Testaverde was better than Kosar.
Shnahan may think that Lance at least deserves a chance to lose the job, since he has not really had a chance to show what he can do. But for sure Purdy will get every chance to keep the job.

I think they need to beef up the Oline big time. Direct comparison, Mahomes was not touched behind his OL.
Oh and win or lose, another team loses after playing the Niners.

 

[Al Zarilla]

I think that is the main point.

BB knew that Brady was better (maybe he even thought so before Bledsoe was injured). He also thought Testaverde was better than Kosar.
Shnahan may think that Lance at least deserves a chance to lose the job, since he has not really had a chance to show what he can do. But for sure Purdy will get every chance to keep the job.

I think they need to beef up the Oline big time. Direct comparison, Mahomes was not touched behind his OL.
Oh and win or lose, another team loses after playing the Niners.

Last year's Rams?

 

[trekfan55]

Last year's Rams?

This has been an ongoing story this season. Every team that has played them (absent a following bye) has lost the next week. Quite remarkable actually.

 

[trekfan55]

Bumping this thread for FA

So far they have signed 2 players.

• Jaron Hargrave, to beef up the DL. This should make them even better on D next year
• Sam Darnold as QB3/insurance policy
• Plus they re signed Gipson

They have lost (officially)

• Mike Mcglinhchey (we knew that was happening)
• Jimmie Ward (same)
• Jimmy G to Vegas.
• DT Hassan Ridgeway signed with Denver

Overall I think it's good. No one expected them to make a splash and sign multiple players but they beefed up their DL. They will need some help in the backfield, maybe thrugh the draft, and they need to replace Gould at K.

Their skill positions are spoken for, plus what they can find in the draft. About that, they have 11 picks but none in the 1st or 2nd round. But maybe they can trade up if they see someone they like.

The shoe that needs to drop soon is how many players they can sign after the rookie deals. Bosa/Kittle for sure, but let's see hoe they make that work.

 

[scott bankheadcase]

I think SF is content going into next season with Colton Mckivitz at RT. The real question on the OL (where Banks and Buford played well for rookie and second year guards), is what happens at C.

Brendel got it together towards the end of the season, but he's now a FA with multiple teams talking to him. C is a very important position in Shanny's system. That's the only position I see a big need right now.

The others that could use help -- nickel CB (hopefully they can bring Mosely back an Lenoir slides over?), TE, Edge depth can all be handled via their mid-round draft picks, in house options or later cheaper FAs.

I'm worried about C though.

 

[scott bankheadcase]

I think SF is content going into next season with Colton Mckivitz at RT. The real question on the OL (where Banks and Buford played well for rookie and second year guards), is what happens at C.

Brendel got it together towards the end of the season, but he's now a FA with multiple teams talking to him. C is a very important position in Shanny's system. That's the only position I see a big need right now.

The others that could use help -- nickel CB (hopefully they can bring Mosely back an Lenoir slides over?), TE, Edge depth can all be handled via their mid-round draft picks, in house options or later cheaper FAs.

I'm worried about C though.

You're stupid and you need to wait more than 24 hours to have an opinion dude!

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[trekfan55]

Yeah, I am overall content with what they are doing so far.

Round 2 is coming up, where they need to sign the bigger deals and lose some players to FA (and replacing them).

One thing I like is they have been able to find great players with mid/late round draft choices. And they have 2 QBs under rookie contracts.

 

[luckiestman]

If you had to give it a percentage, how likely is it that Sam is the best QB on SF? I think it is around a coinflip. He has had shit coaching. With Shanny, he might be pretty good.

 

[trekfan55]

If you had to give it a percentage, how likely is it that Sam is the best QB on SF? I think it is around a coinflip. He has had shit coaching. With Shanny, he might be pretty good.

Very good question. I would think he may be as good as the other two but my guess is he knows he signed as an insurance policy.

That being said, with Purdy not being 100% for training camp a possibility and all the questions sorrounding Trey Lance, he figures he has a better shot than other places and with all the talent around him plus the coaching, he might get his chance and then get paid next year.

 

[scott bankheadcase]

If you had to give it a percentage, how likely is it that Sam is the best QB on SF? I think it is around a coinflip. He has had shit coaching. With Shanny, he might be pretty good.

Lance has better athleticism and probably better arm talent. Purdy seems to have elite level processing ability to run Shanny's system.

Is it possible Sam combines those two the best? Maybe.

Interestingly I think the it's actually Purdy's job to lose if he can show promise in his throwing program.

 

[scott bankheadcase]

Mosely signs with the Lions on a 1-year deal.

Means Niners need either an outside CB and Lenoir moves to nickel or they need to sign a nickel CB. Maybe Womack can fit in there, but I'd rather a more veteran presence.

 

[JM3]

This post probably fits better in this thread...

49ers seem like they're going to have a pretty big haul of comp picks coming their way...

View: https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1635818703706046468?cxt=HHwWiIC29bWczLMtAAAA


They have lost...

McGlinchey 5/$87.5m
Garoppolo 3/$72.8m
Omenihu 2/$20m
Ebukam 3/$27m
Ward 2/$13m
Moseley 1/$6m
Ridgeway 1/$3.3m
Brunskill TBD
Al-Shaair TBD

Per OTC, they're on pace for a comp 3rd, 5th, 6th & 7th (Hargrave cancels a 3rd & Darnold cancels a 6th). It's a bit outdated. Omenihu might turn that 7th into another 5th.

https://overthecap.com/compensatory-picks

 

[trekfan55]

I'm curious to see how they will replace all this talent.

 

[scott bankheadcase]

I'm curious to see how they will replace all this talent.

Interesting part to me is that, outside of McGlinchey and Ward (who was drafted way back in 2014 at this point), all these guys were basically scrap heap finds.

Mosely was an UDFA roster invitee
Brunskill they plucked away from the aafl
Omenihu and Ebukam were guys that couldn't get on the field on their previous teams

I think the plan is maybe another free agent on the DL and then keep drafting well in late round with all the comp picks and developing guys for a year to be ready to play. Basically they're going to replace Mosely with Lenoir, a 5th round draft pick. Ward might be replaced by Womack, a 5th round draft pick.

But this will be interesting to watch. Can SF use their blue chippers (Bosa, Warner, Ward) to make enough of an impact to keep developing guys along side of them (like the did with Mosely and Lenoir). We'll see.

So far I trust in Adam Peters, he's been great in finding players that work in scheme.

 

[trekfan55]

Interesting part to me is that, outside of McGlinchey and Ward (who was drafted way back in 2014 at this point), all these guys were basically scrap heap finds.

Mosely was an UDFA roster invitee
Brunskill they plucked away from the aafl
Omenihu and Ebukam were guys that couldn't get on the field on their previous teams

I think the plan is maybe another free agent on the DL and then keep drafting well in late round with all the comp picks and developing guys for a year to be ready to play. Basically they're going to replace Mosely with Lenoir, a 5th round draft pick. Ward might be replaced by Womack, a 5th round draft pick.

But this will be interesting to watch. Can SF use their blue chippers (Bosa, Warner, Ward) to make enough of an impact to keep developing guys along side of them (like the did with Mosely and Lenoir). We'll see.

So far I trust in Adam Peters, he's been great in finding players that work in scheme.

Yeah all that is true and I trust their delevlopment team.

But they have a short window until they have to make some hard choices so it's not like they can draft and develop so much.

 

[scott bankheadcase]

I like this move. This coaching staff has a very good track record with underachievers with talent like this:

View: https://twitter.com/nwagoner/status/1636081337928130560

 

[Justthetippett]

I like this move. This coaching staff has a very good track record with underachievers with talent like this:

View: https://twitter.com/nwagoner/status/1636081337928130560

Isn’t the main question with Ferrell whether he in fact has any talent? He was over drafted, of course. And never really showed much. That said, the 9ers have been hot lately with their player development.

 

[scott bankheadcase]

Isn’t the main question with Ferrell whether he in fact has any talent? He was over drafted, of course. And never really showed much. That said, the 9ers have been hot lately with their player development.

yeah, he doesn't have top 5 pick talent, but luckily they have Bosa on the other side.

I think there's a good chance to turn him into an Arden Key/Charles Omenihu-style contributor, which is all that DL needs.

 

[scott bankheadcase]

And... Ward's replacement (will probably be a camp competition with Womack for NCB):

View: https://twitter.com/MikeGarafolo/status/1636137186536968192