The arugment is pretty simple. Mac Jones's current value is very very low because he played like shit and lacks tools--he has exactly the flaws you consistently pointed out over the season and I think they'd be lucky to get even the Rosen return for him at this point.
You’re certainly not the only person who thinks Jackson is elite, but that’s hardly undisputed. Most conventional and advanced statistics suggest that Jackson had a pantheon-level 2019 season but has been average-ish since.
I can only reconcile this statement as ignoring what he did do as a rookie with an actual OC and a far better O-line. My hunch is GMs recognize the limitations he did have this year while also recognizing what he accomplished as a rookie. I disagree his value is very, very low.
Only guessing here too, but this sounds right to me. But I don’t think there’s a top-half team who would want Mac, so I think the package would likely be built around a 2nd rounder, with more value on the back end to make the package comparable in value. Which would look a lot like what the Jets got for Darnold.
I don't think he'd have re-signed if he had an agent, BAL I do wonder if they would have exclusive tagged him.
The other way I feel Lamar not having an agent has hurt him earnings-wise is he seems light in commercial endorsements, even at his post-MVP peak. (Looking it up, this isn’t that original a thought, Florio reported recently that Lamar had a shoe deal fall through due to a lack of agent)
I think an agent working on Lamar’s behalf probably would have told him by now that a fully guaranteed deal like Watson’s isn’t going to happen because they’ve talked to a bunch of other GMs and agents and that’s the climate.
The only way the NY market destroys Rodgers is if he's awful, which there's a very slim chance he'll be. If he's merely good or even okay, there'll be very little issues, the Jets have basically no history of great QB play and have sucked for 15 years, if he's good enough to QB them to a 7th seed, no one will complain. I feel like the whole "NY media" stuff is very much Yankees (and to a lesser extent Giants) focused, that other franchises just don't have the same kind of expectations.
If he’s meh and goes full Kyrie and is extremely petulant, it won’t go well. But I think there is a decent chance of a year 1 honeymoon period so I don’t expect anything major. There are a lot of good pieces on this offense so if Rodgers is fully bought in, they could be quite good. In any event, it’ll be fun to watch.
You'd have to think Rodgers has at least one more pretty terrific year left in him. Even at last year's production, he's way better than what the Jets threw out there.
Yeah that's just silly, if you want to make a comp projecting him out of the league Cam Newton is right there and is far more similar in all aspects
I think the Packers are desperate to move on and entrench Love as the starter as soon as possible and won't haggle much over compensation.
IIRC, Favre was a physical trainwreck by the time he got to NYJ and while AR is on the old side he's generally been healthy so I wouldn't expect another Favre-like shitshow. I wouldn't expect a Superbowl either, but the Jets have some high-ceiling young skill position players so it's actually a decent place for him to land. The top receivers when Favre went to the Jets were Cotchery and Laverneus Coles. Coles was well past his prime at 31 and Cotchery was a good complimentary guy but only ever topped 1000 yards once in his career. Garret Wilson has potential top-10 WR upside in my book.
Putting aside the massive salary cap number w Rodgers, I’m generally surprised that more teams don’t go all in on guys like him and Brady when they become available. No you won’t be building around them for the future. But it’s the most important position in the game by some distance, and we are talking about MVPs and Hall of Famers. I get that most teams “have a plan.“ But most teams actually kind of suck and are in rebuilding purgatory.
Favre was actually playing really well for the Jets in 2008, they were 8-3 and had just defeated unbeaten Tennessee when he tore a tendon in his biceps and then was awful to finish the season. He became a physical wreck in that final stretch, but for 11 weeks he played great ball.
Also, he followed that season up with an MVP-caliber (Just as good as Manning and Brees statistically) season in 2009 in Minnesota where they went 12-4 and lost in overtime in the NFC title game. Although he did not play great that game, the Vikings nearly doubled the Saints in total yards but had 5 TO's.
Yeah, I'm surprised we haven't heard of any other team reaching out to Rodgers. Obviously need to be a certain fit but there's a few teams out there that could seemingly use him.
Great ball might be a bit of a stretch. 45% of his games through the Tenn game he didn't even top 200 yards.
There's a pretty big risk from both a PR and a term morale standpoint if you announce you're going after a particular QB and failign to get them particularly if (unlike the Jets) you have somebody decent in house I think teams would try their best to keep their interest as quiet as possible until they're actually likely to get the target.
His completion percentage during that stretch would have topped the league, his TD% would have been second and his passer rating would have ranked sixth. He was pretty good for the 2008 passing environment, just on a run heavy team.
Is it really that challenging tho? Could the Raiders not, for instance, figure out a way to get Rodgers, reunite him with his binkie Adams, and figure the rest of it out? Could Lynch and the Niners not figure out a way to make it work?
Yeah, not too shabby for a 39 yo. The dude had lots and lots of miles on his tread by then was my main point, and having his season submarined by a bad injury fits the bill. Health-wise today's Aaron Rodgers is a safer bet.
Wholeheartedly agree. Especially if you're the Jets and not only have a young roster, but also are in a division whose best team will likely have an elite QB for another decade. They have some talent, but not to the level where I think the current version of Rodgers will put them over the top. Lamar would make way more sense for them.
The problem with Lamar is that if you sign him to a deal, you're opting out of the first five days of free agency and you still may not even get him if Baltimore chooses to match. It's the same problem with being a restricted free agent in the NBA - you're not really testing "the market" because so few teams are willing to take that kind of risk. There is no flexibility for a plan B if Baltimore ends up matching.
Rodgers contract looks like a nightmare--he's owed 58 million cash this year and a lot in 2024--so if you're not sure he's staying more than a year or if he doesn't restructure you'll have major cap problems when he leaves.
Maybe... my guess is you just tell BAL what you're willing to pay him and work out a trade (that's what usually happens, I think only 1 player ever actually got a sheet, the rest were all trades), because BAL has risk there too... if they don't want to match, they just lost the first 5 days of FA. Also, it avoids Lamar just not signing the sheet and holding your season hostage for up to 10 weeks of the season.
And is he even much of an upgrade over Carr, who they already had and were pretty mediocre with? Of course he could be, but he’s old. I don’t think it’s a slam dunk.
He has already said in interviews that he would restructure his deal. I’m not celebrating anything yet. This is right around the time we find out the dream was just a fantasy.
The difference is that Green Bay is motivated to trade Rodgers because of his contract and Jordan Love's contract while Baltimore is unmotivated to trade Lamar. What's their incentive? They want to keep him, they just don't want to pay him $250 mill guaranteed, and they have all the leverage in their favor to not pay him that contract. All Lamar has is the prospect of sitting out, which would be really expensive and likely not worth it for him.
His contract means that any team trading for him basically needs him to restructure, which means that he essentially can veto any trade, so that reduces the market for him. I think the Jets are a fit for him at this point in his career so we'll just have to wait and see.
Rodgers sucking while simultaneously destroying the Jets cap (even if he restructures there will be a big impact) and destabilizing the young Jets core will be its own kind of reward.
Sure. Though you have to re-structre Rodgers, which makes it his decision where he wants to go, and he's more of an on-going problem than Lamar, since every year will be a "i might retire" saga for attention.
Why is he more of an ongoing problem than Lamar? Lamar was getting called out by his teammates for not playing last year. He's possibly going to sit out this season. For all of Rodgers' shit, he shows up and plays, which is what teams care about (whether we as fans like. it or not).
Lamar wants a contract, that has been his only issue off-field. Rodgers has held his team hostage 2-3 offseasons in a row, and is doing it again this year.... and he'll do it again next year.
I mean......New England would actually be a pretty awesome spot for Rodgers, based on the criteria above (maybe minus the "willingness to be terrible if it doesn't work out).
