Except your argument keeps shifting in the details is the point. You argue Bill sucks at creating a modern offense, and your argument is to bring up his drafting from 8 or 10 or 15 years ago.
You argue you need to take shots on adding WR and TE talent, pointing to other teams that do.... and people note that in the "modern" years (last 5) that's exactly what he has done. He's taken as many shots in the draft as most of these teams, he's taken MORE shots in FA than these teams.
And your evidence that the Patriots suck on offense is basically... 2 non-consecutive years?
I mean,.... worst Brady offense years (as he hit his 40s) isn't exactly a big knock considering they were a consistent top 5-8 offense.
I look at this team, I see a bad offense last year (17th in PF, 26th in EXP)
In 2021... that was a good offense (6th in PF, 10th in EXP) and with a rookie QB.
2020.... bad (27th in PF, 23rd in EXP)
2019.... weird year, great production (7th in PF) but underlying was worrying (17th in EXP)
2018.... the one you note as Tom's worst statistical season... excellent offense (4th in PF, 4th in EXP)
2017.... great 2nd in PF, 1st in EXP.
And this is the problem. You're so caught up in a bad year last year and this fantasy you have that the NFL has passed Bill by, that you don't recognize that we have had really good offenses in 4 of the last 6 years, and 1 of the 2 Mac Jones years. So instead of saying... "hmm I wonder if the reason the offense dropped off from top 10 in 2021 to bad in 2022 was because they replaced an excellent offensive coordinator with a guy who had no idea what he was doing" you leap to "Bill sucks at creating an offense in today's NFL, as proven by his draft record from 2003 to 2018!"
Edit- and this is why the argument is circular, you say "my argument is this unsupported statement" people ask for support... you give it.... people note that the details are fundamentally inaccurate and don't support the argument, you come back to "forget the details, my argument is this unsupported statement with no facts to back it up"
I feel like you're not even reading my posts.
When you write "You argue you need to take shots on adding WR and TE talent, pointing to other teams that do.... and people note that in the "modern" years (last 5) that's exactly what he has done." IT'S SIMPLY NOT TRUE if we're talking about the draft, I've repeatedly shown it's not true. Your counter to that argument, "yeah, but Bill has tried in free agency." If my overriding point is Bill sucks at creating an offense in today's NF without Tom Brady, and I'm pointing out that he's not taking shots in the draft as often as other teams, and in free agency, the shots he takes suck ass, how is that countering what I'm saying? Are we giving him points for effort or something?
I mean, I keep talking about very specific things, and then you keep adding variables to make your point. You want to talk about the Pats in free agency as opposed to the draft, let's talk about the Chiefs going out and trading for Kadarius Toney, let's talk about how they spent a 2nd rounder on Skye Moore, let's talk about how they drafted Isaiah Pacheco or how they signed free agent, Jerick McKinnon on a 1 year deal or how they took a shot and signed Marquez Valdez-Scantling, they went and got JuJu on a 1 year deal in free agency. They took CHE in the 1st round, they took Hardman with their 1st overall pick in 2019.
The Pats are taking less shots on skill positions in free agency and the draft than the fucking Chiefs are, and the Chiefs have Mahomes. Difference is, their moves are working. Bill is trying to follow a Chiefs model, without having Mahomes. It doesn't work.
How have the Pats taken the same number of shots at WR/TE as other teams in the draft over the last 5 years? They've taken 2 WR's in the first 3 rounds over the last 9 years (Harry and Thornton) and they took 2 tight ends in 2020 that both sucked ass, in the 3rd round. That's it. That's your last 5 years, that's your last 9 years. Philly has taken twice as many 1st round WR's in the past 3 years as Bill has taken in over 20 years in New England. Philly has taken more WR's in the 1st 3 rounds in the last 4 drafts than Bill has taken in 9 drafts. They took Dallas Goedert in the 2nd round in 2018, even though they had a 35th overall pick in Zach Ertz still on the roster. They took Miles Sanders in the 2nd round in 2019, and they still had space to pro bowler, Landon Dickerson at Guard in 2021 in the 2nd round, while we're reaching for Cole Strange in the 1st in 2022. They even whiffed on their first round tackle on Andre Dillard in 2019.
San Fran has taken 5 wide receivers in the first 3 rounds in the last 5 drafts. Once again, the Pats have taken 2 in the last 9 drafts, but you keep telling me that the Pats are taking an equal number of shots. Then I tell you SF has also taken 2 running backs and gone out and gotten CMC, and you call him an "aging RB." CMC!! That "aging RB" joined a 3-3 San Fran team that lost their first game with him to SB Champs, KC, and then proceeded to win 10 consecutive regular season games, 2 playoff games and doing a bunch of it with their 3rd string, Mr. Irrelevant QB, but yeah, what a shit move to get that "aging RB."
Do you want to know why your posts are aggravating?
You wrote this "
2019.... weird year, great production (7th in PF) but underlying was worrying (17th in EXP)
2018.... the one you note as Tom's worst statistical season... excellent offense (4th in PF, 4th in EXP)
To describe what I wrote, which was actually this:
In 2018, Tom Brady had his worst statistical season in 4 years. Gronk and Edelman were aging and injured, Josh Gordon was here and there, but Brady relying on guys like White and Hogan made it work. Bill even recognized this, which is why he went out and drafted N'Keal Harry in the 1st round in 2019 (a whiff because well, he can't draft high end wide receivers early, I've given you the list going back 20 years). Bills FIRST AND ONLY use of a 1st round pick on a WR.
Brady comes back in 2019, and is even worse,
But notice how you shift the conversation? I talked specifically about Brady, and you shift it to talking about the offense (of course, failing to note the defense putting those teams in position to succeed, scoring non-offensive touchdowns like crazy, etc.). 2019 was a weird year because they had the best defense in the NFL, they scored 7 non-offensive touchdowns and dominated teams with their defense leading to turnovers/field position, Brady had an 88.0 QB rating that year. The Offense was bad and so was Brady, because Bill fucked the offense over by not retooling.
And now after we've all listened to you shit on Mac Jones for over a year, you're telling us they had a good offense in 2021? But you aren't sure of the blame pie regarding the offensive line, the skill positions and the coaching shitshow in 2022, but you're completely convinced Mac sucks.
I give up. Let's see how Bill finishes the offseason, so you can shit on Mac, and not blame Bill when we roll out a bunch of useless skill position guys for the 5th+ year in a row.
