2023 Mocks

Carbo Loading · Mar 9, 2023

I just tried a PFF mock with similar settings to what you did and came up with this:

Trade - Traded 14,107,186 to Detroit for 18,48,153
18: Broderick Jones - T Georgia
46: Tyrique Stevenson - CB Miami
48: Adetomiwa Adebwore - EDGE Northwestern
Trade - Traded 76,183,191 to Indy for 79,106
79: Nathaniel Dell - WR Houston
106: Michael Wilson - WR Stanford
117: Luke Schoonmaker - TE Michigan
135: Deuce Vaughn - RB Kansas St
153: Zack Kuntz - TE ODU
209: Clayton Tune - QB Houston
257: Jake Moody - K Michigan

I don't think they would ever take all offense except one

Mugsy’s Walk-Off Bunt · Mar 9, 2023

Jaxon Smith-Njigba
WR Ohio State
46.
Deonte Banks
CB Maryland
76.
Julius Brents
CB Kansas State
107.
Wanya Morris
OT Oklahoma
129.
Alex Forsyth
OC Oregon
135.
Jake Moody
K Michigan
2024 PIT 2nd
Mostly no idea what I’m doing. Thoughts?

Average Game James · Mar 10, 2023

I know the Pats need at OT, but I just can’t seem to get through the first three rounds of a mock without going JSN, edge, CB. Given the weakness of the tackle class and how many good edges and CBS there are, I’m thinking I would rather just see Bill throw some money at the offensive line than overdraft a tackle. Something like this would make me really happy:

tims4wins · Mar 10, 2023

Average Game James said:
I know the Pats need at OT, but I just can’t seem to get through the first three rounds of a mock without going JSN, edge, CB. Given the weakness of the tackle class and how many good edges and CBS there are, I’m thinking I would rather just see Bill throw some money at the offensive line than overdraft a tackle. Something like this would make me really happy:

Isn't it kind of funny that a few years ago, we would have said we'd much rather throw money at a FA WR and let BB / Scar develop an OL mid-round pick?

Average Game James · Mar 10, 2023

tims4wins said:
Isn't it kind of funny that a few years ago, we would have said we'd much rather throw money at a FA WR and let BB / Scar develop an OL mid-round pick?

Generically that’s probably still the case for me. If this was an average class for every position I’d want to see Bill draft OL and CB and sign WR in free agency. Fortunately, whatever I might think of Bill’s recent draft record, I’m not worried he will reach based on perceived need at a position.

Super Nomario · Mar 10, 2023

Cellar-Door said:
not at tackle though. Bill has always gone for 1st round picks at LT (or briefly a free agent)

Light was a second FWIW.

chilidawg · Mar 10, 2023

Average Game James said:
I know the Pats need at OT, but I just can’t seem to get through the first three rounds of a mock without going JSN, edge, CB. Given the weakness of the tackle class and how many good edges and CBS there are, I’m thinking I would rather just see Bill throw some money at the offensive line than overdraft a tackle. Something like this would make me really happy:

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I like grabbing both a punter and kicker. With lots of late round picks (probably more by the time BB is done trading back) those seem like potential impact investments.

Jake Peavy's Demons · Mar 11, 2023

I too like @Average Game James tried to grab a T in the beginning rounds, but it is difficult with some of the names out there in other positions. I'd love to see them pursue 1 or 2 in FA as well. Here's mine, and it's far from perfect:

021: Trade down, pick up an extra pick. JSN was off the board. Went Addison.

046: Reports of interviews with him & Pats. Reportedly went well.

053: My attempt to get a LB who can cover, and get more athletic at the position.

076: DMC 'replacement'

107: Would love to pick an 'outside' corner, but I'll go with his athleticism in the slot.

117: Upgrade position, skilled blocker.

135: See 053.

183: Solid 3rd-down back.

186: DL depth

191: QB lottery ticket

209: Interior OL depth

257: We can ignore this one, seeing how we don't actually own this pick.

Mugsy’s Walk-Off Bunt · Mar 12, 2023

This is a 4-round mock I would take:

Jaxon Smith-Njigba
WR Ohio State
58.
Darnell Wright
OT Tennessee
76.
Julius Brents
CB Kansas State
90.
Sam LaPorta
TE Iowa
2024 LAC 1st
2024 BAL 2nd

Anthologos · Mar 16, 2023

I like that first mock, because I think the Rams pick will be high next year. But that seems like an awful lot of players to draft…

Average Game James · Mar 16, 2023

Anthologos said:
I like that first mock, because I think the Rams pick will be high next year. But that seems like an awful lot of players to draft…

It would be really nice to get three players who could all go in the first round with 36, 47, 69.

Anthologos · Mar 16, 2023

Some of those years are depressing to view. I guess 11 is fine as you said with specialists…I just am always tempted to package some and move up in next years draft. But I know nothing.

Anthologos · Mar 16, 2023

Ahh that makes sense. You were hamstrung by the parameters.
Still like the thought. Pick up quality starters (hopefully) and add a potentially high pick for next year.

Carbo Loading · Mar 17, 2023

I messed around with a PFF mock today what do you think?

14: Devon Witherspoon CB Illinois
46: Traded along with 117 and 209 to Arizona for 34
34: Dawand Jones T OSU
76: Traded along with 135 to KC for 63
63: Traded to Den for 67 and 140
67: Keeanu Benton (SMU binkie) DT Wisconsin
107: Luke Schoonmaker TE Michigan
140: Deuce Vaughn RB Kansas St
183: Bryce Ford-Wheaton WR W. Virginia
186: Stetson Bennett QB Georgia
191: Chandler Zavala OG NC State
257: Jake Moody K Michigan

No trades for futures, but the PFF engine for future trades is messed up. I didn't know much about Bryce Ford-Wheaton, but he's got size.

sgfeer · Mar 17, 2023

Carbo Loading said:
I messed around with a PFF mock today what do you think?

14: Devon Witherspoon CB Illinois
46: Traded along with 117 and 209 to Arizona for 34
34: Dawand Jones T OSU
76: Traded along with 135 to KC for 63
63: Traded to Den for 67 and 140
67: Keeanu Benton (SMU binkie) DT Wisconsin
107: Luke Schoonmaker TE Michigan
140: Deuce Vaughn RB Kansas St
183: Bryce Ford-Wheaton WR W. Virginia
186: Stetson Bennett QB Georgia
191: Chandler Zavala OG NC State
257: Jake Moody K Michigan

No trades for futures, but the PFF engine for future trades is messed up. I didn't know much about Bryce Ford-Wheaton, but he's got size.

Ford Wheaton ran 4.38 combine. Has trouble separating. Will make tough contested catches then drop easy one. Worth a look late, could help on special teams as well as he played on some cover
Units. Frustrating player

snowmanny · Mar 17, 2023

Is Jake Moody really lasting until the seventh round? He seems like a sure thing.

Carbo Loading · Mar 17, 2023

Cellar-Door said:
some of my favorites in there (Witherspoon, Schoonmaker, I like BFW late) Personally I don't like Vaughn at all, he's absurdly small, his combine explosion test (jumping) scores were pretty poor and he skipped the running and agility tests, which for a guy that small I'd assume he'd be all over them if he thought he'd grade out well. I think he doesn't have an NFL role.

Otherwise though I generally like that draft.

I looked at Vaughn as a gadget play guy. But was probably the pick I liked the least

snowmanny said:
Is Jake Moody really lasting until the seventh round? He seems like a sure thing.

PFF hates drafting special teamers. Even at 257 they only give a C+ for the pick

SMU_Sox · Mar 17, 2023

I love Schoonmaker btw. He is a guy I will be much higher on than consensus.

Dawand Jones to me isn’t a fit. Bill typically doesn’t draft guys who are not that athletic at OT. Now he will sign and trade for them but only after they have proven they can play. Dawand is also a super inconsistent run blocker. If they had a more mobile QB I’d be fine with him but because he has absolutely 0 recovery he’s going to give up quick pressures. When he’s beat he is beat.

I think you got a lot of good guys - if you switched Darnell Wright for Dawand that is an A+ draft. Also who gives a fuck what PFF thinks. Their draft grades can go straight to the baker as the Romans used to say. Great job!!

SMU_Sox · Mar 17, 2023

Just a reminder that Bryce Ford-Wheaton is a high character special teams demon so even if he never develops more he will upgrade things as a gunner. Great pick especially at 183.

nolasoxfan · Mar 17, 2023

Why does it seem like every mock in this thread has the Pats picking Schoonmaker and Moody? Is there some weird UM alum bias going on here?

67YAZ · Mar 18, 2023

nolasoxfan said:
Why does it seem like every mock in this thread has the Pats picking Schoonmaker and Moody? Is there some weird UM alum bias going on here?

The Pats have drafted a Wolverine 4 years running, a total of 5 players. Harbaugh is clearly one of those college coaches that Belichick trusts to tell him the truth about players and respects how he develops them.

SMU_Sox · Mar 18, 2023

There are only a handful of decent blocking in-line tight ends this year. 1 is Darnell Washington who is a good player but is probably never going to be an adequate route runner. He’s basically the high end version of Jonnu Smith. That’s valuable but for where he is going to go isn’t an extraordinary value. Schoonmaker has a 9.77 RAS. He’s underdeveloped as a pass catcher but he reminds me of Foster Moreau coming out. You can probably get him late day 2 or maybe even day 3. They need a good blocking in-line tight end. They tend to go for highly athletic guys. It seems like a good fit and good value.

Michigan has 3-4 fits for them this year. Both Ryan Hayes and their center are day 3 types they might be interested in.

nolasoxfan · Mar 18, 2023

67YAZ said:
The Pats have drafted a Wolverine 4 years running, a total of 5 players. Harbaugh is clearly one of those college coaches that Belichick trusts to tell him the truth about players and respects how he develops them.

Cellar-Door said:
Schoonmaker is mostly because he looks like a good TE who can block and catch, but also is available a lot later than the other guys with that profile, so with the Patriots needing that skillset and a deep TE class he'll show up a lot because he's so far down a lot of boards. Moody I think is just... best kicker on the board. Though MI is a well Bill has gone to repeatedly recently

SMU_Sox said:
There are only a handful of decent blocking in-line tight ends this year. 1 is Darnell Washington who is a good player but is probably never going to be an adequate route runner. He’s basically the high end version of Jonnu Smith. That’s valuable but for where he is going to go isn’t an extraordinary value. Schoonmaker has a 9.77 RAS. He’s underdeveloped as a pass catcher but he reminds me of Foster Moreau coming out. You can probably get him late day 2 or maybe even day 3. They need a good blocking in-line tight end. They tend to go for highly athletic guys. It seems like a good fit and good value.

Michigan has 3-4 fits for them this year. Both Ryan Hayes and their center are day 3 types they might be interested in.

Thank you for these replies. Seeing Schoonmaker and Moody on nearly every Pats mock left me curious. Now I better understand why they have been consistently selected.

SMU_Sox · Mar 19, 2023

I really like this one. I traded back with Buffalo and got their 27, 59, 91, and 130 + a 2024 4th rounder for pick 14.

I went:

27) Darnell Wright, OT
46) Jack Campbell, ILB
59) Keeanu Benton, IDL
76) Isaiah McGuire, IDL/Edge
91) A.T. Perry, WR
107) Luke Schoonmaker, TE
117) Michael Wilson, WR
130) K.J. Henry OLB/edge
135) Moro Ojomo, IDL
183) Eric Gray, receiving back
186) Ricky Stromberg, IOL//C
191) Puka Nacua, WR
209) Anthony Bradford IOL
257) Jake Moody, K.

A.T. Perry can play anywhere and be a good 2/3 WR. Wilson if he stays healthy reminds me a ton of Michael Thomas. Puka is getting slept on. He is great with RAC, runs, contested catches. He has some N'Keal but the guy he was supposed to be coming out.

Jack Campbell is imo a first round quality Mike and a prototype.

I added a starting OT in Darnell Wright as well as a starting caliber center in Ricky Stromberg and depth at IOL with Anthony Bradford.

Eric Gray is a really good receiving back.

Luke Schnoonmaker is the in-line tight end they need.

The IDLs and edges are also scheme fits for the Patriots and because none of the corners fell to me I kept adding studs there. McGuire is a lot like Wise but with more power and athleticism. K.J. Henry is super athletic but needs development. Has all the traits you want in an OLB pass rusher.

Benton and Ojomo are super strong guys who are excellent vs the run and have some juice as pass rushers.

Anthologos · Mar 19, 2023

Ok is that really a photo of Jack Campbell, LB? He looks like he’s addressing the Midwestern Regional Executive Sales managers on the subject of “Know Your Cheese”

ManhattanRedSox · Mar 20, 2023

Tried to get Mac a bunch of toys to see if he is worth extending at QB, Tomlinson so I can see LDT sitting on the sidelines of Gillette again (I'm a petty asshole), O'Connell to keep Zappe honest, Zack Kuntz because of his name and potential, Thomas bx I feel like a UAB guy at 192 could turn into something, and Juice because that is a cool name for a center who is probably pepetually grumpy and gives zero fu(ks.

Dogman · Mar 20, 2023

@SMU_Sox is that a realistic trade?

That's a ton to give up to move 13 spots.

SMU_Sox · Mar 20, 2023

Dogman said:
@SMU_Sox is that a realistic trade?

That's a ton to give up to move 13 spots.

Probably not, no. And making 14 picks is a little much. What I’m trying to do is show fits in ranges. I’ll start making tiers soon as well. Day 1 OTs, Day 2 OTs, Day 3 OTs etc.

Dogman · Mar 20, 2023

That makes some sense, thanks.

Average Game James · Mar 20, 2023

The PFF simulator is definitely off on its trade calculations. I’ve been checking any trades I do against the calculator linked below (uses the ESPN chart - and even that may overvalue higher picks). Open to suggestions if anyone has found a better calculator.

https://www.calculatorsoup.com/calculators/games/draft-pick-value.php

Average Game James · Mar 20, 2023

Cellar-Door said:
I just do it by hand via: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart-Rich-Hill.asp

I’m far too lazy for that

67YAZ · Mar 20, 2023

Kept the trades in the 60-70% likelihood range to keep some semblance of reality. Still, trying to navigate up was a frustrating mess. So I moved back a couple times and scooped up 4 2024 picks.

No way Wright lasts to 46. But I have a feeling Branch will be very much under consideration in round 1.

GB5 · Mar 20, 2023

My preference when I do mine is no trades. The trades suggested on the Pats friendly mocks, are too one sided.

Devizier · Mar 20, 2023

Seems like the mocks have a problem where every team is using the same board with adjustment for “needs”.

67YAZ · Mar 20, 2023

Anthologos said:
Ok is that really a photo of Jack Campbell, LB? He looks like he’s addressing the Midwestern Regional Executive Sales managers on the subject of “Know Your Cheese”

Looks like he's being introduced as the new head coach for SW Missouri State.

OldeBeanTowne · Mar 21, 2023

I liked the way this one turned out and how the board fell. I kept the trades in the high 60-70% range based on the discussion here. Get it done Trader Bill!

I wasn't sure on Ivan Pace as I don't remember seeing him being discussed much here (sorry if I've missed it). He looks pretty nasty in the highlight reels, if not without size concerns. Should be a special teams force at least one would think.

I didn't plan on it going in to the mock, but I liked the additions to the secondary that were available when the Pats were on the clock.

The more of these I do, the more convinced I am that trading down and potentially out of the first round altogether (via multiple trades) is the best approach. I've always been a proponent of this approach generally, but it seems to fit the way the talent is distributed this year in particular (at least that's the sense I've been getting from the discussion).

Obviously, a team needs to find a trade partner who is willing to give up draft capital to move up and that limits the opportunities available. However, I'd love to see the Pats drop back multiple times and accumulate additional Round Two picks (day 2 more generally) so that they can move around the board and target the best players available vs. positional need.

I've almost started a new thread on this topic and tried to do a bit of basic googling regarding the highest number of "trade downs" in a draft by a single team and/or a list of teams who've done so the most in draft history, but I haven't been able to find much.

SMU_Sox · Mar 21, 2023

View: https://twitter.com/JohnALimberakis/status/1637570670845362178?s=20

Overall: He isn’t good in coverage and he won’t be a scheme fit for everyone but if you want a downhill attacker and you like to blitz or rush your ILBs this is your guy. When he is attacking downhill he either blows up linemen or avoids them. Should be a ST demon. I don’t think he is a starter but should be a role-player. He might start - his size though is an issue. 6.49-6.5.

I love Ivan Pace Jr. I just did him this weekend.

Carbo Loading · Mar 21, 2023

We get Hopkins for a reasonable price in this one.

Deathofthebambino · Mar 21, 2023

I want whoever had that mock up there giving us the Rams 2024 1st rounder.

That is in the Caleb Williams/Drake Maye sweepstakes.

No chance I see the Rams doing it though, that team is blowed up and rebuilding next year. If Stafford has trouble getting healthy, they may not win 3 games.

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