2022 World Cup News Thread

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I’m not sure how much not selling beer impacts the actual fan experience or atmosphere. Most countries don’t allow alcoholic beverages to be sold at soccer games.
I believe quite a few do, for example England does, but you can only consume on the concourse, not in your seat.
 

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Qatar knew they could do whatever they want once they bid on running a summer world cup, won it, then said they couldn't do it in summer and FIFA changed it to winter. The minute FIFA agreed to that, Qatar knew they would agree to anything.
 

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I’m not sure how much not selling beer impacts the actual fan experience or atmosphere. Most countries don’t allow alcoholic beverages to be sold at soccer games. I believe that Germany does, but they are more the exception that proves the rule. Now, I’m not sure if that goes for the exclusive suites or applies to national team games, but for the most part alcohol isn’t really served at soccer games. Shit gets wild enough without booze. Most fans worldwide are likely used to dry soccer venues.

That being said, the fact that Qatar dropped this at the 11th is bullshit. It’s another broken promise. Remember when this World Cup could take place during the summer because the stadiums would all be magically cooled? In the grand scheme of things, this is a minor issue compared to things like human rights violations, but it’s just more evidence that Qatari officials would say anything, and pay anything, to host the World Cup. And that FIFA officials would say anything, and overlook anything, to make it look like this World Cup was about something more than lining their own pockets. The interesting thing is that Qatar has viewed this as an opportunity to show the world an amazing experience, thus encouraging tourism and investment. It seems to be having the opposite effect.
Sean Ingle at the Guardian makes the argument that the Qataris are caught between wanting show off as a tourism & investment destination and show off as a world power. Banning beer, calling all criticisms “racist” or “orientalism,” backing tracking on welcoming gay fans - these are various flexes by the Qatari crown. (And I’ll add probably some annoyance at not getting the level of positive press they planned on.).
 

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I’m not sure how much not selling beer impacts the actual fan experience or atmosphere. Most countries don’t allow alcoholic beverages to be sold at soccer games. I believe that Germany does, but they are more the exception that proves the rule. Now, I’m not sure if that goes for the exclusive suites or applies to national team games, but for the most part alcohol isn’t really served at soccer games. Shit gets wild enough without booze. Most fans worldwide are likely used to dry soccer venues.

That being said, the fact that Qatar dropped this at the 11th is bullshit. It’s another broken promise. Remember when this World Cup could take place during the summer because the stadiums would all be magically cooled? In the grand scheme of things, this is a minor issue compared to things like human rights violations, but it’s just more evidence that Qatari officials would say anything, and pay anything, to host the World Cup. And that FIFA officials would say anything, and overlook anything, to make it look like this World Cup was about something more than lining their own pockets. The interesting thing is that Qatar has viewed this as an opportunity to show the world an amazing experience, thus encouraging tourism and investment. It seems to be having the opposite effect.
Bundesliga, EPL, MLS, Mexico, Italy all have beer in the stadium. La Liga and Ligue 1, no but can drink right outside.
fifa convinced brasil to overturn their no beer policy for 2014.
yes this is a big deal, beyond the discussed corruption and immigrant workers; now they are lying to fans that spent thousands to attend having expectations for certain parameters.

i can understand a ban from the start, but 48h prior??? No

https://www.mlssoccer.com/news/beer-stands-north-america-yes-some-other-soccer-countries-no

https://www.mlssoccer.com/news/beer-stands-north-america-yes-some-other-soccer-countries-no

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-18348012.amp
 

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Bundesliga, EPL, MLS, Mexico, Italy all have beer in the stadium. La Liga and Ligue 1, no but can drink right outside.
fifa convinced brasil to overturn their no beer policy for 2014.
yes this is a big deal, beyond the discussed corruption and immigrant workers; now they are lying to fans that spent thousands to attend having expectations for certain parameters.

i can understand a ban from the start, but 48h prior??? No

https://www.mlssoccer.com/news/beer-stands-north-america-yes-some-other-soccer-countries-no

https://www.mlssoccer.com/news/beer-stands-north-america-yes-some-other-soccer-countries-no

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-18348012.amp
I’ll stand corrected then. I’ve been to games in many of those places and didn’t notice, albeit I haven’t been to Europe since before Covid. I don’t remember seeing anyone drinking in Italy, Spain, or even England. Outside the stadium, yeah a lot of drinking, but not inside. Regardless, beer isn’t as omnipresent in the stands around the world as it is at US sporting events, at least to me. The only time I really recall goal celebrations with beer flying everywhere is in the US (cue the videos proving me wrong again). Out of curiosity, how many of these countries allow alcohol in the stands versus just on the concourses?

The Brazil story is the most frustrating of all for me as FIFA demanded a change in local law to accommodate a World Cup and allow alcohol to be served.
 

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I’ll stand corrected then. I’ve been to games in many of those places and didn’t notice, albeit I haven’t been to Europe since before Covid. I don’t remember seeing anyone drinking in Italy, Spain, or even England. Outside the stadium, yeah a lot of drinking, but not inside. Regardless, beer isn’t as omnipresent in the stands around the world as it is at US sporting events, at least to me. The only time I really recall goal celebrations with beer flying everywhere is in the US (cue the videos proving me wrong again). Out of curiosity, how many of these countries allow alcohol in the stands versus just on the concourses?

The Brazil story is the most frustrating of all for me as FIFA demanded a change in local law to accommodate a World Cup and allow alcohol to be served.
Yes i think ‘beer in seats’ is far higher at US sporting events. Epl is concourse only i think. And italy caps beer in seats at 5%. I also presume, like no alcohol sale college games in US, the euros pregame : local pubs for these games. Was mentioned in Brasil article it led to long lines (prior to legalization) as people pre-gamed as long as possible.

Honestly ‘concourse only’ is probably worse from intoxicated pov.
Fan is going to have 2 beers during second half. But cant sip them, so will chug 2 in 15 minutes at half rather than sip over 45.

I enjoy beers at a game / concert. Im relaxing and having a nice time. But if i knew going in there would be no booze. Fine. Expectation set.

But if i spent thousands to travel and was expecting a beer on my holiday, to then have it removed after spending that money to travel / house, I would be fucking livid. I was sold a lie.

And Fifa has demonstrated willingness to move the needle.

How much money Qatar bribed has to be astronimcal. The fifa docu that dropped on netflix this week is tip of iceberg.
 

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Just got back from a football trip in Europe. In England, you can drink in the concourse pre-game and halftime, but not in the seats. In Germany, it was similar to North America- wherever.
I totally agree with McBride. It's one thing to ban alcohol at stadia in advance of the tournament, but the 48 hour bait and switch is bush league. It almost makes me sympathetic to Budweiser, which is certainly a new sensation.
I will watch the games, because I am very interested in the sport, and well, Canada. But the tournament overall promises to be a shitshow, and is everything FIFA and Qatar deserve. The World Cup, like the Olympics, is a sporting event in obvious decline.
 

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Truly a command performance.

“You want to criticize someone, come to me,” Infantino said. “Criticize me. Here I am. Crucify me,” he added, performatively rising in his seat and extending his arms out wide.
“Don’t criticize Qatar,” he continued. “Don’t criticize the players. Don’t criticize anyone. Criticize FIFA. Criticize me, if you want. Because I’m responsible for everything.”
 

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Apologies if noted earlier in the thread, but what are the streaming options here?
Peacock is streaming every game. $4.99 a month with ads, $9.99 for no ads.
I signed up today and the one month will cover every game Nov 20-Dec 18. Can cancel right after.
 

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Peacock is streaming every game. $4.99 a month with ads, $9.99 for no ads.
I signed up today and the one month will cover every game Nov 20-Dec 18. Can cancel right after.
Excellent. I bought a year of Peacock earlier in the fall when it was like $30/yr. on special.
 

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The English rights are Fox, so that’s where it’ll be streamed. Not sure what you do or don’t need to pay for to get access.
 

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YouTube TV for one month will definitely give you access to the whole thing plus DVR for $55. There are probably cheaper options, but that's a starting point.
 

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I’ve been trying to figure out what FIFA does with fines. They’re about to rake in cash for teams defying armband bans. I’m curious where that money will go.

If it circles straight back to the coffers Infantino has his fingers in the irony would physically hurt.
 

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I was thinking more 1964 Democratic National Convention.
the... triumphant renomination of Lyndon Johnson, who went on to win by the biggest margin since 1936?

Dont boycott InBev, they gonna need the money to sue the shit out of FIFA
This is hilarious. FIFA (and the IOC), well known for insisting that host countries change their own laws to please sponsors and tournament organizers, are getting bit in the ass by the fact that a retrograde host country can turn around and stab FIFA in the back at this exact moment of greatest vulnerability. Sure, a beer sponsor in a muslim country - what could possibly go wrong, InBev? The only surprising thing is that it was Jose and not Myt1 making the Frog-and-the-Scorpion reference.

Couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch of sociopaths.
 

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wow that's a deep cut, because I have no idea what that means, or what happened then. I just figured you were referring to 1968 DNC Chicago.

You have out-erudited me. Hat tip.
 

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the... triumphant renomination of Lyndon Johnson, who went on to win by the biggest margin since 1936?


This is hilarious. FIFA (and the IOC), well known for insisting that host countries change their own laws to please sponsors and tournament organizers, are getting bit in the ass by the fact that a retrograde host country can turn around and stab FIFA in the back at this exact moment of greatest vulnerability. Sure, a beer sponsor in a muslim country - what could possibly go wrong, InBev? The only surprising thing is that it was Jose and not Myt1 making the Frog-and-the-Scorpion reference.

Couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch of sociopaths.
And with the Brasil article says fifa has done this before for alcohol sales.

The bribery / scams are rearing their ugly heads. And a shitty qatari go

Sadly I doubt anything will change. The ExCo that took the bribes are largely out or arrested.But the corruption will continue. I can squint and see Russia being reasonable but a fucking desert where they have to change dates?

Im going to watch, the players arent involved, but this whole situation sucks
 

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So that’s Kante, Pogba, Nkunku, & Benzema out? No tears for France, but that’s a metric fuckton of talent.
 

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Given that Deschamps was just going to use those guys to play reductive football, the sooner les coq gaulois are out the better IMO.
 

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In case your curious what it costs to get Infantino to perform a standup routine at your next event - revenues up $1b for this WC cycle over the last.
 

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What the fuck is wrong with FIFA? How can they always be so fucking wrong?

But now it seems that FIFA intends to enforce its call to focus on football, not human rights, during the World Cup with more than fines. “That FIFA wants to punish us on the field for this is unprecedented. This goes against the spirit of our sport, which connects millions of people. In the coming period, we will take a critical look at our relationship with FIFA together with the other countries involved,” the KNVB said.
https://nltimes.nl/2022/11/21/knvb-abandons-onelove-armband-world-cup-fifa-threatens-yellow-card
 

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It’s hard to say that a yellow card is FIFA crossing a line when they’ve lapped it so many times starting with Blatter’s Qatar announcement. Regardless, it’s obscene. I wonder what referees will enforce it, or if they’d forgive a yellow card tackle later after issuing the ridiculous penalty at kickoff.
 

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Peacock is streaming every game. $4.99 a month with ads, $9.99 for no ads.
I signed up today and the one month will cover every game Nov 20-Dec 18. Can cancel right after.
If you stream on peacock with ads, does that affect watching a soccer match at all? They don’t interrupt the play with ads do they? And can you record a game on peacock, or only stream live? Gracias.
 

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Looks like all the squads who planned on the rainbow are backing down. Can only hope for a rogue shirt under the jersey revealed after a goal type protest, I suppose.

 

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If the OneLove nations play each other (England Wales etc) can they wear the arm bands? Would they cancel each other out?
 

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If the OneLove nations play each other (England Wales etc) can they wear the arm bands? Would they cancel each other out?
Not really--since the press release says they're not talking about fines, if they give bookings that effects on-field play, and they won't risk that.
 

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Not really--since the press release says they're not talking about fines, if they give bookings that effects on-field play, and they won't risk that.
What if it’s the Final? Can’t play with a yellow?
 

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Looks like all the squads who planned on the rainbow are backing down. Can only hope for a rogue shirt under the jersey revealed after a goal type protest, I suppose.

Goodness. So inspiring to read that multi-millionaire international athletes almost had the courage to put a piece of fabric on their arms. Shepherding a trans child through multiple suicide attempts and struggling for years working out their crippling gender dysphoria, I get how hard it must be for real men of courage like Harry Kane to risk having some crusty old man wave a yellow card in your face on tv. I couldn’t bear the thought of it. I’ll be able to sleep better tonight knowing that millions of football fans the world over won’t have to worry about those mean old men at FIFA getting crabby because some young men almost worked up the guts to say something icky like “killing trans people is bad.” Thank god for the cooler heads at FIFA or someone might get upset and cry in their Bud Zero.