2022 World Cup News Thread

Kliq

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Thanks for sharing, that's awful and there needs to be more coverage of it.
 

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Grant Wahl was admonished for taking a picture of an ad board while picking up his credentials.

This is not going to go well, especially when folks who are used to such freedoms feel empowered by the cash they've thrown down to be at the World Cup. It's not a question of if it's going to get ugly, it's how ugly will it get?
 

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Grant Wahl was admonished for taking a picture of an ad board while picking up his credentials.

This is not going to go well, especially when folks who are used to such freedoms feel empowered by the cash they've thrown down to be at the World Cup. It's not a question of if it's going to get ugly, it's how ugly will it get?
More in that vein, security people threatening to smash Danish TV cameras for just filming in a public place: https://deadline.com/2022/11/qatari-officials-apologize-to-denmarks-tv2-after-threatening-break-camera-during-live-broadcast-1235173721/.

So yeah, going great.
 

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Despite the shitshow that is this WC, I’m finally starting to get jacked up. Monday afternoon is blocked off, Black Friday is my annual alumni game and we’ve got a bar setting aside a space for us in the afternoon. Meanwhile work will be slow before the holiday. Gonna be a good week.
 

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I think there is a non-zero chance that something bad enough happens that at team decides to go home.
 

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I keep starting to get excited for this against my will, and then something like that comes out to settle me down.

Remember Korea beating Italy in 2002? Yeah. Remember that when Qatar makes the final.
 

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Is it too late to postpone to Summer 2023 (and move the host, obviously)?

only 1/2 kidding
 

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#Ecadour? Sounds like a bummer.

the Qataris will deny this and probably go hard after this guy, the Daily Mail, and any other outlet that might try to corroborate. But the damage is done. The cloud hanging over the hosts now extends to the squad and competition.

Great job, FIFA!
 

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#Ecadour? Sounds like a bummer.

the Qataris will deny this and probably go hard after this guy, the Daily Mail, and any other outlet that might try to corroborate. But the damage is done. The cloud hanging over the hosts now extends to the squad and competition.

Great job, FIFA!
It's yet another unsavory downstream effect of the bid process having been so obviously rigged. It may be BS (Qatar aren't that bad! They might be better than Ecuador playing at sea level, in 100 degree heat, and coming off a 3-month training camp!), but it is so intuitively of a piece with what came before that you can't help but credit it.
 

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#Ecadour? Sounds like a bummer.

the Qataris will deny this and probably go hard after this guy, the Daily Mail, and any other outlet that might try to corroborate. But the damage is done. The cloud hanging over the hosts now extends to the squad and competition.

Great job, FIFA!
It also creates a scenario where if an honest mistake is made, like a Ecuadorian player putting it into his own goal, or flubbing an easy chance (or god forbid, a controversial referee decision that favors Qatar) fans will assume that the player who fucked up is throwing the game.
 

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It also creates a scenario where if an honest mistake is made, like a Ecuadorian player putting it into his own goal, or flubbing an easy chance (or god forbid, a controversial referee decision that favors Qatar) fans will assume that the player who fucked up is throwing the game.
This really sucks for an exciting, young Ecuador squad. Now they have this around their necks as the prepare of the biggest match of their careers.
 

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Did some googling on who that guy even is and I quickly got into dodgy websites unfortunately, but I don't know about his reliability as a source here. His main claims to fame appear to be a book about how the Arab Spring was secretly driven by Iran and some pro-Zionism stuff, neither of which scream "I definitely know about football bribery details".
 

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FWIW, I was thinking of betting on Qatar before this news, but hadn’t gotten around to it. Just tried though with my online book in Germany. They’re showing Qatar at 330 to win, but when I tried to place the bet, it would not accept it.

Edit: now it’s working, so who knows.
 

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On my NYT homepage, this story sits right above the op-ed “Why Qatar deserves to host the World Cup, Actually.” Somehow, this piece skirts the whole bribing FIFFA thing as well as the death of immigrant laborers under the kafala system. Details, details.

I’m also seeing a lot of soccer & sports outlets now relaying the Ecuador bribery accusation with the framing that a journalist has alleged this, but supported by no independent corroboration.
 

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We have a dear family friend from Ecuador. dirty, I got your Ecuador kit from you for her back in 2014? 18? She loves it.

She just went back there to see her family’s side, Aucas FC of Quito, win the top flight for the first time in 70+ years, beating FC Barcelona of Guayaquil (same name snd colors but no affiliation) in a two-leg playoff. They mortgaged their firstborn to get tickets. The city was delirious. So joyful.

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I’d be heartbroken if this is true. What a beautiful footballing culture.
 

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What a mess. FIFA has so far been able to plow through all the awfulness and corruption to just try to get to the "good" part, and an increasing amount of that is not really even going to happen. They heavily brand the World Cup as a fantastic global party on the ground (which it normally is). Instead they're going to get a bunch of broke, nervous, guilt-ridden, non-partying fans hanging out in a Connecticut-sized premium outlet mall. The fan experiences and possibly even crowds are going to be very flat. All of the typical FIFA crap and worse, almost none of the upside. We all deserve it, for not demanding better. I guess.
 

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I’d venture a guess they were never going to sell beer in stadiums and just waited until now to announce it when they know it’s too late to face any repercussions.

Re: Not demanding better, I’d quibble with that. I remember all or most of the losing bids raising hell and being told it was just sour grapes and how our western-centric views are selfish etc etc. As with most things we were powerless to stop this, especially once FIFA extended Fox’s TV rights to 2026 without a bidding process as a mea culpa along with the near-certainty that the US would be hosting.

I’d like to think this disaster means FIFA will never be so stupid again but who knows. Joint bids seem to be the future so that will soften the blow of sneaking terrible hosts in alongside more capable hosts.
 
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I'm getting increasingly vague on how the reputation laundering is supposed to be working here. Qatar appears to have spent an enormous sum of money to underline the point that Qatar is not a place most people would care to visit for pleasure. I had a more favorable opinion of the country when it was just a sporcle quiz answer.
 

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Cousins got the news about the ban on beer sales in stadiums as they were on their overnight flight to Istanbul, connecting to Doha tomorrow.

Those were some entertaining whatsapps to wake up to
 

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The Fyre Fest vibes are strong
It’s fascinating that this whole project may backfire and end up exposing the awfulness of everything around the cup- late stage capitalism, fundamentalist savagery directed at the vulnerable, transparent propaganda, climate destructive fuels and practices, corruption, etc, etc, etc.

I have struggled greatly with this tournament. I am a boycotter by nature; I don’t like wrestling with nagging moral doubts, It takes the enjoyment out of things for me. I’ve really gone back-and-forth on watching this World Cup. I don’t think I felt the same way in 2018, but I probably should have. I’ve really gone back-and-forth on watching this World Cup- it’s been a real struggle to decide what to do.
(I don’t think I felt the same way in 2018, but I probably should have)
I’ve been trying to figure out how I’ll be able to enjoy the football without being disgusted with everything else, but it’s gotten so embarrassingly cartoonishly villainous, I may enjoy watching the meltdown and chaos that occurs.
 

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It’s fascinating that this whole project may backfire and end up exposing the awfulness of everything around the cup- late stage capitalism, fundamentalist savagery directed at the vulnerable, transparent propaganda, climate destructive fuels and practices, corruption, etc, etc, etc.

I have struggled greatly with this tournament. I am a boycotter by nature; I don’t like wrestling with nagging moral doubts, It takes the enjoyment out of things for me. I’ve really gone back-and-forth on watching this World Cup. I don’t think I felt the same way in 2018, but I probably should have. I’ve really gone back-and-forth on watching this World Cup- it’s been a real struggle to decide what to do.
(I don’t think I felt the same way in 2018, but I probably should have)
I’ve been trying to figure out how I’ll be able to enjoy the football without being disgusted with everything else, but it’s gotten so embarrassingly cartoonishly villainous, I may enjoy watching the meltdown and chaos that occurs.
I’ve decided that if I watch, I’ll boycott the product of any advertiser for all of 2023.
 

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Normally, I’d be have a heavy dose of when in Rome. You don’t go to another country and expect them to change for you. That said there was a deal in place— a deal that was altered because they knew Qatar was a scorpion when they picked it up.

FIFA crooks brought this on themselves. They and the Qataris deserve each other.
 

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I’m not sure how much not selling beer impacts the actual fan experience or atmosphere. Most countries don’t allow alcoholic beverages to be sold at soccer games. I believe that Germany does, but they are more the exception that proves the rule. Now, I’m not sure if that goes for the exclusive suites or applies to national team games, but for the most part alcohol isn’t really served at soccer games. Shit gets wild enough without booze. Most fans worldwide are likely used to dry soccer venues.

That being said, the fact that Qatar dropped this at the 11th is bullshit. It’s another broken promise. Remember when this World Cup could take place during the summer because the stadiums would all be magically cooled? In the grand scheme of things, this is a minor issue compared to things like human rights violations, but it’s just more evidence that Qatari officials would say anything, and pay anything, to host the World Cup. And that FIFA officials would say anything, and overlook anything, to make it look like this World Cup was about something more than lining their own pockets. The interesting thing is that Qatar has viewed this as an opportunity to show the world an amazing experience, thus encouraging tourism and investment. It seems to be having the opposite effect.