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Yea I'd take that money. DJ's mostly going for majors at this point and that won't be an issue for him if the Tour bans him since the majors are independent.

I noticed Mickelson is not in the field... Uh...

Edit: Oh he might be the surprise #49
 
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Wonder if Brooks considered it with his brother going. Koepka, Ogletree, Uilhein among the guys who haven’t been able to stick on the PGA Tour.

DJ was waffling at the PGA Championship. A bit of a shock but signs were there.
 

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So when do the bans start? Once they actually tee it up? Swafford is in the field list at the Memorial this weekend. DJ is an RBC guy and RBC is the title sponsor of the Canadian Open next week which DJ obviously isn't playing since it's opposite the LIV event. I assume RBC dumps him. Gooch probably loses Callaway. He's the most surprising name on the list, IMO. 35th in the world, 30-years old, just won his first PGA Tour event. I'm not sure I'd say he's a rising star but he certainly had the looks of a guy who had another 10-15 years ahead of him on the PGA Tour.

The majors have stayed silent as far as I know, but I wonder if any of those governing bodies take action. The US Open is the week after the first LIV event. I assume DJ, Poulter, Westwood, Garcia, McDowell and Oosthuizen lit any future association with the Ryder/President's Cup on fire. DJ, Garcia and Oosty are probably the only two that have any chance of playing in a future Cup, but I would imagine all of them would have been in line for captaincy's down the road. Guess it turns out the Euro's didn't really give a shit about it after all.

DJ is a huge get, otherwise this list looks awful. And to be honest, it looks pretty awful even with DJ. But DJ will get some eyes, and I'm sure some of the other big name players like Bryson will keep a close eye on how this plays out for DJ. Some of the rumored names that were not on the list are Kokrak, Varner, Bubba. NLU said on their pod that Varner was waiting for the OWGR to get sorted out first.

I will say I had the NCAA Championship's on in the background yesterday and it was a little weird watching Puig play and then see his name on the list.
 

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Just wanted to vent at Golf Channel for leaving the Euro Tour playoff to go to their pregame show. It only went one more hole and was won on the latest in a string of fabulous putts by the champion. I might be the only one who gives a crap about this, but it was frustrating.
You're not the only one. A group of us were watching after golf and said the same thing. It was frustrating. Of course, it's not really up to them either. They have contractual obligations both on how long they can cover some things and how long they have to cover others.
 

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I heard it from a very good source DJ got "north of $100mil to play...
Not sure what the committment is in years, but if the north of $100 million is true, DJ essentially doubled his career on-course earnings:

$74.2 million in career tournament winnings (3rd all time behind Tiger and Phil)
$27 million in FedEx Cup bonus money (3rd behind Rory and Tiger)
$3 million in PIP (7th, only 1 year of existence)

Plus he also likely made a ton off endorsements.
 

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I’m with you. Seems like a real good dude, I always pull for him when he is in the mix. Could be way off on the LIV stuff but he did win the Saudi tourney this year.
HV3 not on the announced list
 

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Still a lot of rumors. The NLU guys say they're hearing Varner III is waiting for the OWGR stuff to be sorted out. Kokrak is another guy who is probably going (and has all but said he is), but supposedly has a wedding to attend the week of the first event, hence not on the list.
 

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Just let them go, why even bother. This league is going to fall flat on it's face or be a secondary tour like the Euro tour.
Yeah. As a fan, the only weeks when all the top players are competing in the same event are the majors. As long as those stay in tact, who cares.

I do think it'll be interesting to see if DJ making the leap leads to other top players leaving. I won't miss DJ at the Canadian Open, Travelers Championship or whatever run of the mill weekly Tour stop. If DJ becomes DJ plus Bryson, Xander, Sam Burns, etc. (no specific rumors for Xander or Burns just pulling random names) that would kind of suck and impact the viewing experience.
 

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Yeah. As a fan, the only weeks when all the top players are competing in the same event are the majors. As long as those stay in tact, who cares.

I do think it'll be interesting to see if DJ making the leap leads to other top players leaving. I won't miss DJ at the Canadian Open, Travelers Championship or whatever run of the mill weekly Tour stop. If DJ becomes DJ plus Bryson, Xander, Sam Burns, etc. (no specific rumors for Xander or Burns just pulling random names) that would kind of suck and impact the viewing experience.
The thing to be concerned about is they basically have unlimited money to throw at players. If this thing gets a little momentum and more players jump ship, it could create some issues for the tour. My guess is there are a handful of players watching how this all shakes out before deciding their next move.
 

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Brady/Rodgers vs Allen/Mahones match is on. Seems like a strange format, select a drive then best ball from there?
 

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I’m sitting in my room at the Encore with a good view of the Wynn course. I was going to go and watch but they wanted $250 to get in. For few more bucks I could play it (I played a few years ago and it’s very nice). So, I’m looking out the window and watching it on Tv.
I'm sitting in my room at the Residence Inn, Beachwood, OH with a good view of the parking lot.
I think you win.
 

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the event was better than i anticipated after having watched the previous "Matches". Rodgers is pretty good at golf. The banter was solid throughout except for Allen, who was an absolute snooze fest. Barkley was gold as usual. Thought the match would be missing something without pros playing but this was pretty well done.
 

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Hideki DQ'd from the Memorial due to a marking on the face of his driver. Curious to see the details of that. Nobilo was speculating that he may have left something taped on the face that would show him the contact point when he's on the range.

Rahm just made a pretty bizarre play on 11. He drove it left and onto a steep bank next to a creek. He had a tee ball swing to try and chop it out but for some reason tried to advance it instead of going out sideways and chipped it right into the middle of the creek. Hit his 4th from 275 out.
 

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Yeah. As a fan, the only weeks when all the top players are competing in the same event are the majors. As long as those stay in tact, who cares.

I do think it'll be interesting to see if DJ making the leap leads to other top players leaving. I won't miss DJ at the Canadian Open, Travelers Championship or whatever run of the mill weekly Tour stop. If DJ becomes DJ plus Bryson, Xander, Sam Burns, etc. (no specific rumors for Xander or Burns just pulling random names) that would kind of suck and impact the viewing experience.
Is it inaccurate to say that these guys are simply jumping at the chance to increase their earnings from many millions to tens of millions by playing easier tournaments with less competition?
 

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Is it inaccurate to say that these guys are simply jumping at the chance to increase their earnings from many millions to tens of millions by playing easier tournaments with less competition?
And then when the Saudis decide to stop throwing money away (that *will* happen, won't it?) the players will come crawling back to the PGA which will take them to fill fields with competitive players
 

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And then when the Saudis decide to stop throwing money away (that *will* happen, won't it?) the players will come crawling back to the PGA which will take them to fill fields with competitive players
I think there's a political component working in the background here that I can't quite articulate, nor would I in this thread.
 

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I think this is all going to be very interesting once they start playing. Forget the guaranteed money. Some journeyman pro is going to win an event and make a fortune and you have to think there will be those on the tour that think “I can beat that guy!”
 

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Is it inaccurate to say that these guys are simply jumping at the chance to increase their earnings from many millions to tens of millions by playing easier tournaments with less competition?
Absence of competition for some, guaranteed appearance fees for most. DJ will have to win a bunch of tournaments before his winnings surpass the $125M he gets just for showing up.
 

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I must say, this is gaining more steam than I thought it would. This new tour only has 8 tournaments so these guys will be freeing up a ton of time, if the money is better or equal. Real question I have is regarding off course endorsements. Certainly won't be much on the domestic side but possible international endorsements may come.

Norman indicated that Tiger turned down a "high 9 figure" amount to join. Now, that would have been something. Norman is banking on some random dudes winning these $4-6M 1st place prizes and other guys saying, hey, I can beat these guys. 17 guys made $5M or more on the tour last year. Obviously, endorsements are where they really make the money but if you're some "average" player making $2-3M / year without a huge endorsement deal, you may be tempted by this arrangement. Problem is the Saudis could change their mind at any time and then you've burned your bridge. But if you're a guy like DJ getting $125M upfront, you probably don't really care.
 

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I must say, this is gaining more steam than I thought it would. This new tour only has 8 tournaments so these guys will be freeing up a ton of time, if the money is better or equal. Real question I have is regarding off course endorsements. Certainly won't be much on the domestic side but possible international endorsements may come.

Norman indicated that Tiger turned down a "high 9 figure" amount to join. Now, that would have been something. Norman is banking on some random dudes winning these $4-6M 1st place prizes and other guys saying, hey, I can beat these guys. 17 guys made $5M or more on the tour last year. Obviously, endorsements are where they really make the money but if you're some "average" player making $2-3M / year without a huge endorsement deal, you may be tempted by this arrangement. Problem is the Saudis could change their mind at any time and then you've burned your bridge. But if you're a guy like DJ getting $125M upfront, you probably don't really care.
I think you're right, and I also think the tour is going to try and snipe the next wave of big guns with (for LIV) relatively small money. If you're a real hotshot amateur and get offered $20MM (or whatever) in guaranteed cash to play LIV, that's life altering money that it may be worth nuking your chances to play in the PGA tour for, even before you get to the prize money. I'm very interested to see how it plays out.
 

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They got James Piot, the reigning US Am champ with exactly that type of offer. Guaranteed money right out of college as opposed to having to perform well to earn.
 

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They got James Piot, the reigning US Am champ with exactly that type of offer. Guaranteed money right out of college as opposed to having to perform well to earn.
Piot has never appeared in the WAGR top 40. He’s a good amateur golfer who got hot one week during the US Amatuer and won the match play event. Financially, he’d be dumb not to take the money even if LIV disappeared tomorrow because he has scant odds of ever earning a tour card.
 

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Piot has never appeared in the WAGR top 40. He’s a good amateur golfer who got hot one week during the US Amatuer and won the match play event. Financially, he’d be dumb not to take the money even if LIV disappeared tomorrow because he has scant odds of ever earning a tour card.
Right. It's far more likely Piot is the next Andy Ogletree (fellow LIV golfer!) than a Phil Mickelson. Totally agree with his decision. I think LIV is going to target a lot of these young kids and hope that one hits as a star. Of course, I'm not sure they can become a star by beating Graeme McDowell and Ian Poulter a few times a year on YouTube, but it does make financial sense for the players.
 

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Not having any press coverage would be an interesting business model for a golf tour.
 

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So Tiger was offered high 9 figures? Are we to assume that means >500,000,000? Damn that’s a lot of cheese.