Highly recommend this - and thanks for doing it, @SMU_Sox. Listened to it yesterday afternoon and really liked hearing your take.
Has anyone found (or posted) a comprehensive list of the Patriots pre-draft visits? Sources I've found seem spotty.
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Has anyone found (or posted) a comprehensive list of the Patriots pre-draft visits? Sources I've found seem spotty.
Seattle will likely trade 41, but keep 40. They need some 5th and 6th rounders.
Pumpkin pie? One more reason to hate Mel Kiper... /Tobin
It is hard to blame the casual fan for being disappointed for waiting around a couple of hours just to see a trade down for more picks.
From the perspective of the draft as spectacle, sure thing. The casual fan who literally just found out many (all?) of these players even exist in the days leading up to, or during the telecast, getting upset their team didn’t pick a guy the talking heads - or some list on the bottom of the screen - said was a great fit is on its face a funny phenomenon, but I get it. The casual fan wants action/drama, and to come away with the feeling that their team aggressively pursued a player. We all can at least understand that impulse, and reactions like that are part of the furniture of the draft. If the Pats traded up in the first, or back into the first, I sure as heck would be excited about that.
I will say that the millionth joke about the team trading a first for 50 seventh rounders won’t be any funnier than the 999,999th.
I had heard they met with Bernhard Raimann and Travis Jones. Fantastic list. Thank you @Section15Box113
Does Linderbaum not fit Pats specs for the position, or is C not a position of need, or do people think he'll be gone by 21?
My feeling on the linebacker's on this draft is that Beli is 70 years old and has been doing this for close to 50 years. When in charge of a draft, he has always drafted the same prototype at LB'er. 6'4ish, 260 poundish type of guy. You usually dont get more flexible the older you get, especially with someone who has a long long track record of succeeding with this type of player. I understand the game is changing and that the Pats got eviscerated on defense towards the end of the year. However, I am hard pressed to believe that Beli will use a premium pick on an undersized linebacker, whose best attribute is that they can fly sideline to sideline. If you are not big and can shed blocks, I dont think you will fit in this defense. Maybe the new linebacker from Cleveland means something, I just dont see it.
He's undersized and a lot of people think he can only play in a zone scheme, the Patriots mix in some zone, but it isn't their primary blocking scheme. He's a guy who could go anywhere from top 15 to 2nd round, because nobody is sure how many teams just have him crossed off as not a fit.
Thorn had an interesting take on this. So yeah he’s primarily zone scheme and you need to protect him in pass pro like what the Eagles have done with Kelce. If you have a plan around him he’s going to be a very good run blocking center. And yes I think he’s someone who is zonly. I want to socialize that portmanteau for zone-only.
The homer in me would be happy to see fellow Shepherd Hill alum Alec Lindstrom get drafted by the Patriots, but I am not sure he has the physical attributes to make it in the NFL. Though, if it makes NE an even more attractive landing place for his brother in a couple years, that's fine with me.
Thanks, @SMU_Sox. Found a source for a Raimann visit, but still searching on Jones.
Found a couple other sources and will post an updated (and more extensive) list shortly.
Here's a list from Pats Pulpit:
https://www.patspulpit.com/2022/3/7/22958074/nfl-draft-2022-patriots-interviews-workouts-meetings-tracker-senior-bowl-pro-days-combine
Travis Jones not listed.
https://www.patspulpit.com/2022/3/7/22958074/nfl-draft-2022-patriots-interviews-workouts-meetings-tracker-senior-bowl-pro-days-combine
Travis Jones not listed.
Here's my updated list of players the Patriots have visited with. Includes info from Walter FB and NFL TR.
Edit: thanks for the Pats Pulpit source, @pappymojo! Looks like you posted seconds before I did. Will update and repost a v3 shortly.
Edit: thanks for the Pats Pulpit source, @pappymojo! Looks like you posted seconds before I did. Will update and repost a v3 shortly.
Historically do visits even have a correlation with the Pats selections? I seem to recall that it didn't mean much?
My sense is that there is a correlation but only a very weak one.
Having a visit probably increases the likelihood of getting drafted but we've taken tons of guys without a visit - and may even do that intentionally if we want to hide our interest in somebody - and obviously only a very small fraction of those that do visit.
The visit list might be more useful for giving an overall sense of how the Patriots are approaching the draft than for predicting specific players.
(To be clear, I'm really just talking out of my ass here based on vague memory of past drafts and visit lists).
They certainly don't pick only those they meet with. But there are still tea leaves.
Case in point, 2021. They only met with three of their picks.
But those three were Jones, Barmore and Joshuah Bledsoe.
In 2020, it was just two of ten. (Onwenu and Uche).
In 2019, four of ten (N'Keal, Joejuan, Stidham, and Cowart). They also met with undrafted Terez Hall.
In 2018, it was five of nine: Sony, Dawson, Sam, Berrios, and Crossen. (Now there's a list...)
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He fits what they like in late round or UDFA centers. He’s an average fit. There are 5-6 backup OC types I think they might be interested in late.
Historically they will take 2-4 guys from top 30 visits. No correlation with combine or senior bowl. They meet with basically everyone there but it isn’t reported. Wynn talked about meeting with them at the combine post draft but it was never reported pre-draft. That is just noise.
I tend to follow this line of thought. I also don't think you acquire a lot of box safeties with the intent to play them closer to the line if your regular linebackers will also be on the smaller side. It's an either/or proposition, if they want to get more athletic at linebacker, you can't also have safeties playing the position at the same time, you'll get destroyed against the run.
Unfortunately I think the Monty Beisel/Chad Brown LB duo from 2005 would be enough to meet that criteria.
This is where I'm at. They do want athletic 220-pound second-level defenders; they are called safeties and they will put 3 or 4 of them on the field if they want to get faster / better in coverage. But they also want the ability to stop the run and that requires a different skill set / body type.
When was the last time it was an hour and a half pre-draft and we didn't know who was getting picked #1? Feels like it's been a long time
Yeah, this first round in general seems more unpredictable than any I can recall. Pity it's mostly due to a lack of top end talent.
is there any free stream for the nfl draft? I have the hulu / espn+ combo and espn+ is just showing hockey and women's softball. wtf.
I can find streams once it starts. That's easy. I just want background noise as I do chores for the next hour or so though.
actually, this will do:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlZzlfW9g9Y
(and youtube apparently doesn't monitor illegal streaming of NFL network? that's new)
I can find streams once it starts. That's easy. I just want background noise as I do chores for the next hour or so though.
actually, this will do:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlZzlfW9g9Y
(and youtube apparently doesn't monitor illegal streaming of NFL network? that's new)
Same. I never really got the point of a SoSH poster trying to break the news 3 minutes before it comes up on the TV.
because at times they have the pick in for much longer than that, and they milk the full time of the pick for "television" versus just doing the pick and moving on.
We all know that. What Dollar was asking was why do SoSH posters feel the need to spoil it for the rest of us?
Yeah I understand that it happens, but to me it's like if someone was on Twitter during a Pats game thread and was able to find out that the Pats drive will end in a touchdown, and relaying that to everyone in the game thread. I just don't get the urgency of needing to know who the pick was a few minutes early when it kills the suspense of the pick being announced.
Because they want the Fonzie Cool Points that come with posting picks in here first
It's not just 3 minutes though... it's often far longer. Especially now that the draft has one round on at a time for the first rounds. Since they want to fill the whole time slot with pointless banter and speculation (when they could just already be onto the next pick) or talking about the pick that had actually been made.
It used to flow so much better when you had the multiple rounds. Like it's all pointless talk really, but it's often these days even more pointless talk as they pretend the pick hasn't been made for 10 minutes...
It used to flow so much better when you had the multiple rounds. Like it's all pointless talk really, but it's often these days even more pointless talk as they pretend the pick hasn't been made for 10 minutes...
I think if anyone really want to, they can post in a separate spoilers thread or just find/follow the Twitter accounts posting the picks early.
I like the red suit the kid from Bama is wearing. Hutchinson’s wardrobe choice is good too — makes him look ripped even compared to the other guys.
My son is despondent that the Jaguars are going to draft Travon Walker. Pretty much any surprise pick (or a trade) would be welcome.
My son is despondent that the Jaguars are going to draft Travon Walker. Pretty much any surprise pick (or a trade) would be welcome.
sometimes It’s like the game is being broadcast on 3 different networks and one cuts to commercial.
View: https://twitter.com/MikeReiss/status/1519825385650892800
“It’s hard to predict what Coach Belichick is going to do … but I can tell you one thing: He is not going to draft a quarterback in the first round.” — owner Robert Kraft, with a humorous touch, at the Patriots season-ticket member draft party.
“It’s hard to predict what Coach Belichick is going to do … but I can tell you one thing: He is not going to draft a quarterback in the first round.” — owner Robert Kraft, with a humorous touch, at the Patriots season-ticket member draft party.
I say this every time they do it, but I love “Lift Ev’ry Voice and Sing” as part of the patriotic exercises. Much better song than the actual national anthem.
Any thoughts on Penning as a fit if he’s still on the board at 21? Could he play guard next year and be insurance for Brown/Wynn injuries?
The point is it is fun to feel suspense and the cathartic release of a new player being called out live on TV since we all grew up in a time before Twitter and are just trying to regain some of the whimsy we felt as kids waiting to see who’s help us compete for an ever-elusive title, and the excitement was equally grand whether that name was Drew Bledsoe or Ras-I Dowling. The discourse can wait 10 minutes.