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Packers closing in on a smart move here, hiring Bisaccia to run special teams

https://www.nfl.com/news/rich-bisaccia-packers-hire-former-raiders-interim-coach-special-teams-coach
This makes me hopeful that Joe Judge comes back to the Pats as ST coach again, if not OC. A general question though: for individuals who have years remaining on a HC contract, do teams continue to pay out for years to come, or do they buy out individuals so they're free and clear to assume another position? I see some references to the latter, but no confirmations.
 

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He did a great job. Not sure why they would not have given him at least another year.
My tinfoil hat guess, based on the opinion of a co-worked who's from Houston and follows it closely. Culley wasn't fired until after Flores unexpectedly got canned, and the Texans thought that was who they would hire.
But things are so f'ed up in Houston that Easterby insisted (for a second year in a row) that McCown was the guy he wanted ... so they hesitated on hiring Flores. By the time they realized that McCown wasn't the fit, Flores had become radioactive and they were screwed. So they looked around and thought ... hey, Lovie's coached before and he's still in the building.
 

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My tinfoil hat guess, based on the opinion of a co-worked who's from Houston and follows it closely. Culley wasn't fired until after Flores unexpectedly got canned, and the Texans thought that was who they would hire.
But things are so f'ed up in Houston that Easterby insisted (for a second year in a row) that McCown was the guy he wanted ... so they hesitated on hiring Flores. By the time they realized that McCown wasn't the fit, Flores had become radioactive and they were screwed. So they looked around and thought ... hey, Lovie's coached before and he's still in the building.
Someone needs to write a book about how Easterby wormed his way into the upper management of Houston. More interesting than rehashing deflate gate.
 

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I would have just kept David Culley.
Why would you keep Culley, when you have a guy who has gone 89-87 over 11 head coaching seasons, and 3 playoff wins during that time, SITTING RIGHT THERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

When you have the option of making Lovie Smith your next head coach, well, you have no option, you hire Lovie.
 

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Lovie Smith getting hired as your team's head coach must be so devastating. That's the classic Norv Turner/Dan Reeves/John Fox type of hire that you absolutely know is not going to result in anything great, and is also not going to be enough of a disaster to end quickly. Just a tragedy as a fan.
 

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Lovie Smith getting hired as your team's head coach must be so devastating. That's the classic Norv Turner/Dan Reeves/John Fox type of hire that you absolutely know is not going to result in anything great, and is also not going to be enough of a disaster to end quickly. Just a tragedy as a fan.
I still don't understand why Caserio took that job, and I definitely don't understand the hire.
 

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I still don't understand why Caserio took that job, and I definitely don't understand the hire.
I thought Lovie did a good job in Chicago. His TB teams sucked. He is at least competent.
Caserio's moves are strange. He loaded up with low-cost veterans and Culley seemed to do a great job with a rookie QB and a rather weak roster. Caserio was known as a wonder boy around the Pats. He was in the booth, helped the coaching staff, all while running the personnel side. Obviously, Easterby in the owner's ear can't be good. This is just such a bizarre situation.
 

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Did the Shield offer a deal to stem the bad press?
Do the league a solid on the hiring front and maybe the QB will be back sooner than expected?
 

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Caserio's moves are strange. He loaded up with low-cost veterans and Culley seemed to do a great job with a rookie QB and a rather weak roster. Caserio was known as a wonder boy around the Pats. He was in the booth, helped the coaching staff, all while running the personnel side. Obviously, Easterby in the owner's ear can't be good. This is just such a bizarre situation.
Agree with all of this. In the meantime, ownership has really aged McNair: 49222
 

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I thought Lovie did a good job in Chicago. His TB teams sucked. He is at least competent.
Caserio's moves are strange. He loaded up with low-cost veterans and Culley seemed to do a great job with a rookie QB and a rather weak roster. Caserio was known as a wonder boy around the Pats. He was in the booth, helped the coaching staff, all while running the personnel side. Obviously, Easterby in the owner's ear can't be good. This is just such a bizarre situation.
On a related note, Lovie still hasn't seen Dr. Kimble:

 

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My tinfoil hat guess, based on the opinion of a co-worked who's from Houston and follows it closely. Culley wasn't fired until after Flores unexpectedly got canned, and the Texans thought that was who they would hire.
But things are so f'ed up in Houston that Easterby insisted (for a second year in a row) that McCown was the guy he wanted ... so they hesitated on hiring Flores. By the time they realized that McCown wasn't the fit, Flores had become radioactive and they were screwed. So they looked around and thought ... hey, Lovie's coached before and he's still in the building.
There's a big evangelical thing going on here - Lovie, Cully, McNown.

This is no slight on Lovie - he's a good, if ultimately average NFL head coach (and crappy college coach). But he is a great person. Former players - Bears and Illinois - rave about him as a mentor, a role model, an advisor. He definitely makes people's lives better, and it does seem like connecting to young men through Christianity is a big part of that.

But McNair and Easterby seem laser-focused on a small group of evangelicals in the coaching ranks - if there's even many of them, I have no clue. I think the question we have to ask is, would Jesus have fired Culley just to replace him with Lovie? I think we all know JC the GM would have gone all out for Eric Beinemy.
 

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There's a big evangelical thing going on here - Lovie, Cully, McNown.

This is no slight on Lovie - he's a good, if ultimately average NFL head coach (and crappy college coach). But he is a great person. Former players - Bears and Illinois - rave about him as a mentor, a role model, an advisor. He definitely makes people's lives better, and it does seem like connecting to young men through Christianity is a big part of that.

But McNair and Easterby seem laser-focused on a small group of evangelicals in the coaching ranks - if there's even many of them, I have no clue. I think the question we have to ask is, would Jesus have fired Culley just to replace him with Lovie? I think we all know JC the GM would have gone all out for Eric Beinemy.
If evangelical christianity is, in any way, even covertly, a prerequisite for getting one of the top jobs in that organization, that is a profoundly wrong, un-American, and unhealthy thing. No matter how much good they think they're doing. I consulted for a company in Houston a few years ago, where that culture had taken over upper management, including the CEO and CFO. It produced all kinds of dysfunction, not least of which was the rise of complete mediocrities to positions they weren't qualified for, simply based on their membership in the same mega-church that several of the top executives were members in. I'm a hawk about keeping religion out of the workplace, partially as result of that experience. Lovie certainly has a decent enough NFL record to be a credible hire, but it sure seems like once Easterby got his hooks in there, it become a big factor in many personnel decisions.
 

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I would consider if I were him. A really good landing spot for him might be with Doug Pederson and Trevor Lawrence.
If successful, something like this could put him on a better track toward getting a HC job. Fucking shame, the thought that he would need to drop down to a shittier situation and in affect prove himself all over again to get a shot. That said, with a young QB like Lawrence, the Jags might want a guy who would plan on being there for a while. If EB where to go there and then get a HC position in a year or two, you're looking at 3 OCs in Lawrence's first 3-4 seasons.
 

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If successful, something like this could put him on a better track toward getting a HC job. Fucking shame, the thought that he would need to drop down to a shittier situation and in affect prove himself all over again to get a shot. That said, with a young QB like Lawrence, the Jags might want a guy who would plan on being there for a while. If EB where to go there and then get a HC position in a year or two, you're looking at 3 OCs in Lawrence's first 3-4 seasons.
For this reason, it seems unlikely the Pats would target Bill O'Brien. Names like Chad O'Shea make much more sense.
 

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If successful, something like this could put him on a better track toward getting a HC job. Fucking shame, the thought that he would need to drop down to a shittier situation and in affect prove himself all over again to get a shot. That said, with a young QB like Lawrence, the Jags might want a guy who would plan on being there for a while. If EB where to go there and then get a HC position in a year or two, you're looking at 3 OCs in Lawrence's first 3-4 seasons.
Yes, if successful there's a good chance he's gone within 2 years. But Pederson and the Jags might be ok with that. Both were OCs under Reid so probably some familiarity there. Have a succession plan in place with a younger guy and can Pederson can take some of the load.



Doesn’t Eric B. have some baggage that could cause concern? I remember that being brought up somewhere on SOSH.
He had several run ins with the law at Colorado including assault on female parking attendant.

https://www.sportscasting.com/chiefs-oc-eric-bieniemys-troubling-rap-sheet-includes-a-disturbing-assault-charge-against-a-woman/
 

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I thought Lovie did a good job in Chicago. His TB teams sucked. He is at least competent.
Caserio's moves are strange. He loaded up with low-cost veterans and Culley seemed to do a great job with a rookie QB and a rather weak roster. Caserio was known as a wonder boy around the Pats. He was in the booth, helped the coaching staff, all while running the personnel side. Obviously, Easterby in the owner's ear can't be good. This is just such a bizarre situation.
Lovie was 6-6 his 2nd year in Tampa with a rookie QB (Winston) before losing the last four, and his job. His disappointing stint in Illinois certainly raises questions, but he was a good NFL coach — throw out his tanktastic first year in Tampa and he was 87-73 with two CCG appearances despite never having an above-average QB.
 

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I think Lovie Smith might be a good coach, he's another guy in the long list of Black coaches who got fired really early for results that were no worse than expectations, maybe better.

I also have no faith that the Texans plan to really give him a chance any more than Culley, it's a bandaid until they can get away with hiring McCown is my feel. Probably going to make him the QB coach, then fire Lovie in a year or two and say "well now McCown has experience he's the best man for the job"
 

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I would consider if I were him. A really good landing spot for him might be with Doug Pederson and Trevor Lawrence.
I do wonder if some of the concern with Bienemy might be that people see him a figurehead with Reid calling all the plays and being the OC in reality. I don't follow the Chiefs that closely but the games I do watch seem to include a LOT of shots of Reid with his play calling sheet calling in the plays.

If that is the case, it seems like if EB decides he needs to move out from that shadow, he should be looking for a situation with a defensive-minded coach and a promising QB such as the Bears (too late for them specifically, but that sort of situation). Even the Pats.
 

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I do wonder if some of the concern with Bienemy might be that people see him a figurehead with Reid calling all the plays and being the OC in reality. I don't follow the Chiefs that closely but the games I do watch seem to include a LOT of shots of Reid with his play calling sheet calling in the plays.

If that is the case, it seems like if EB decides he needs to move out from that shadow, he should be looking for a situation with a defensive-minded coach and a promising QB such as the Bears (too late for them specifically, but that sort of situation). Even the Pats.
Didn't seem to hurt O'Connell.

Reid is the primary play caller but Bieniemy does do some play calling.
 

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I do wonder if some of the concern with Bienemy might be that people see him a figurehead with Reid calling all the plays and being the OC in reality. I don't follow the Chiefs that closely but the games I do watch seem to include a LOT of shots of Reid with his play calling sheet calling in the plays.

If that is the case, it seems like if EB decides he needs to move out from that shadow, he should be looking for a situation with a defensive-minded coach and a promising QB such as the Bears (too late for them specifically, but that sort of situation). Even the Pats.
I heard one of the MadDog Radio weekend guys (Mike Meltzer?) who is from Houston and plugged in there, that last year when Bienemy interviewed there, he was unprepared and didn't know anything about the Texans' roster. Take it FWIW
 

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Didn't seem to hurt O'Connell.

Reid is the primary play caller but Bieniemy does do some play calling.
Mike McDaniel just got a job, even though Shanahan calls all the plays. Not sure what's holding the market back on Bieniemy. Race surely plays some factor, I do wonder if there's an age issue as well. McDaniel (and Shanahan) is young so he must be innovative.
 

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Mike McDaniel just got a job, even though Shanahan calls all the plays. Not sure what's holding the market back on Bieniemy. Race surely plays some factor, I do wonder if there's an age issue as well. McDaniel (and Shanahan) is young so he must be innovative.
Yes, forgot about McDaniel.

We have several offense guys being hired without play calling experience and with less experience overall. Whatever the reason Bieniemy isn't getting a job, it has very little to do with play calling which is something many coaches do not do anyway.
 

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I do wonder if some of the concern with Bienemy might be that people see him a figurehead with Reid calling all the plays and being the OC in reality. I don't follow the Chiefs that closely but the games I do watch seem to include a LOT of shots of Reid with his play calling sheet calling in the plays.

If that is the case, it seems like if EB decides he needs to move out from that shadow, he should be looking for a situation with a defensive-minded coach and a promising QB such as the Bears (too late for them specifically, but that sort of situation). Even the Pats.
Other Reid coordinators (Nagy, Pederson) have gotten jobs even if they didnt call plays. And if being a successful play caller for a top notch QB while winning a title was the magic formula, Byron Leftwich would have had more offers than that garbage job in Jax working for Trent Fucking Baalke. I think the one of the things holding EB back is his time at Colorado on the Garry Barnett staff that was blown out after several allegations of rape, sexual harassment and using sex as a recruiting tool became public. It could be that owners are afraid of post hiring public fallout from that time in EB's career (a good parallel is Chauncey Billups being hired by the Portland Trail Blazers this summer) or it could be that Bienemy's answers to the questions about that time in his career during interviews have been terrible.

Vance Joseph was also on that staff at was hired by the Broncos as a HC without much attention being brought to his time at CU, so that alone can't be the reason Bienemy can't get hired, but I wouldn't doubt that it is a factor, or at least the way he addresses it is a factor.
 

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View: https://twitter.com/globejimmcbride/status/1493925033831546880/photo/1

Josh McDaniels used a one-page Boston Globe ad to pen over 1,000 words on the Patriots, their fans and, especially, the "3 GOATS."

“I will miss you, all of you Patriots fans, more than you know. You are the epitome of resilience and the definition of support,” McDaniels wrote. “I will never forget snowballs flying around after the ‘tuck’ game, the way you embraced Matt Cassel after TB’s 2008 knee injury, the LOUD way you expressed a ‘never say die’ attitude in the second half of our Super Bowl against Atlanta and, most of all, you enthusiastically lining the streets for our half dozen duck boat parades. There is a reason they call Boston the best sports city in the world.”

McDaniels marveled at the fact that he got to work with three GOATs for the bulk of his New England career in Belichick, Robert Kraft, and Tom Brady.

“Robert is relentless in his pursuit of excellence, and his results in business and with his football team speak to his unwillingness to lose,” McDaniels said of the Patriots’ owner. “But RKK is a GOAT to me because of the life lessons he’s taught me and because of how warm and caring he has always been to me and my family. He treated me like a son, and I always felt his genuine support and love.”

On Belichick, McDaniels said, “The person who gave me my start in professional football, who gave me my first shot at coaching a position group, who named me OC at age 29, and who graciously welcomed me back to the Patriots after my three-year sabbatical in Denver and St. Louis is another GOAT: Bill Belichick. My father Thom, a Hall of Fame high school football coach in Canton, Ohio, taught me the game of football. Bill taught me how to teach others how to play this game I love, and sculpted me into the coach I am today. Bill’s brilliance has been matched in my life only by his generosity, his willingness to share with the invaluable coaching axioms that have shaped and will continue to shape my career and my life life immeasurably.”

On Brady, McDaniels said, “I had a front-row seat to watch TB12 play the most important position in all of team sports better than anyone has ever played it. Far more personally significant, almost 2 decades of sharing a game day trench with Tommy forged a close relationship of trust and gave rise to a priceless friendship. Tom is as great as it gets on and off the field, and I appreciate how he’s made me better in so many ways.”

McDaniels remarked upon his journey, from his position as a “scouting assistant” at age 24 in 2001, to his “not-so-lavish” marriage proposal at the Foxboro Residence Inn, to working on the defensive side, to becoming a six-time Super Bowl champion.

“3 GOATS?!? What a collection of talent I was privileged to work with here. Robert was not the only Kraft that provided leadership and support. Jonathan, Dan, Josh and the rest of the Kraft family did and provided all they could to help us win,” he said. “One way they helped us was by hiring only the very best people to work for them. From Dante Scarnecchia to Ivan Fears to Nancy Meier to Jimmy Dee to Berj Najarian to Dan Famosi to Jim Whelan to Joe Van Allen to Jared/Teddy/Fernando to Stacey James to countless others, Gillette Stadium is stocked with championship human beings.”

McDaniels also sent his gratitude to the region for turning him into a “wicked savvy New Englanduh.”
https://boston.cbslocal.com/2022/02/16/josh-mcdaniels-heartfelt-farewell-to-patriots-new-england/
 

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I mean, the same franchise kept Marvin Lewis for 16 seasons. This would be a tough one to go after.
Yeah, I've also been a Taylor apologist since the day they hired him & you can't really let him be a lame duck if Burrow likes him.

It was more of a dig at the Flores stuff - he was 24-25 over the same time period starting with a similarly talentless team.
 

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Yeah, I've also been a Taylor apologist since the day they hired him & you can't really let him be a lame duck if Burrow likes him.

It was more of a dig at the Flores stuff - he was 24-25 over the same time period starting with a similarly talentless team.
Well if he had lost his last couple games in 2019 like he was supposed to perhaps he’d still have a job.
 

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Yes. A man has to get paid.
But, this struck me as: Flores is still in the game.
Yeah, and he’s earning his HC salary from Miami for a couple years so this is definitely about staying in the game. Good for him.
 

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Lovie Smith getting hired as your team's head coach must be so devastating. That's the classic Norv Turner/Dan Reeves/John Fox type of hire that you absolutely know is not going to result in anything great, and is also not going to be enough of a disaster to end quickly. Just a tragedy as a fan.
I mean, John Fox won a Super Bowl as a HC? I know it's not amazing, but he has a winning record for his career.