2022 Broncos: Hackett and Wilson just like oil and water

johnmd20

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Can Hackett survive if the Broncos lose today?

Denver is on bye next week, so if you’re going to make a midseason move, this would be the logical time.
No, he cannot.

Hackett was supposed to help Denver get Aaron Rodgers. That failed. Otherwise, Hackett is not a NFL head coach, at least not yet. Wilson hasn't helped but this team is a mess in a lot of ways and that starts with the coach.
 

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well other down to the wire game when this season is over denver offence is going to have noone to blame but themseles for this poor season denver only won today because the jags coach therw on 2nd and goal from the 1 when a run makes it 14-0 and game over

glass haif full u couild say this is a 5-3 team that can be clutch at times
haif emty this is a 1-7 team that makes the 2011 broncos off look all world

my gut on these last 9 games

@ TENN tossup if denver stops heary they win if not they wont
Vegas Win i know vegas plays us well but denver is 'due' aga them
@ Car Win they have played a lot better there last 3 weeks but denver off shouild get 20+ aga them
@ balt Loss unless denver gets 3-4 turnover and a def score i just dont see it
KC if denver is 6-6 this is their last gasp on SNF WIN
Zona they lack a run game which hurts them @ den Win
@ Rams Tossup
@ KC L
LAC TOSSUP

Best case 9-8
worse case 6-11
 

j-man

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denver trades chubb today for a 1st SF in 23 4th in 23 and RB Chase endmons it's a good move this means we will re-sign DE D jones and now it's looks like 10 of 11 current denver def starters will be in house for 23

DE ?
DT D J JONES
DE Demont Jones
Olb Browning/bonitlo
Ilb Griffin
ILB Singletion its a fa but shouild be east to bring back or jewell
OLB Gregory/cooper
CB Surtain
CB Darby /matins
NB K Willims
S Simmons
s Steins
 

j-man

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offense is move wide open for 23
QB Wilison
RB Williams /edmons/boobe
FB Beck
WR Suttion Jerdy Patick Hamler hitlon
TE dorich
LT Bolies or draft pick
LG ? riseir might fill one of those holes at g
C ?
RG ?
RT Draft pick or bolies

if denver signs any FA'S in 2023 it will be likely a DE or O-Line
 

j-man

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now it's a 7 game preseason to see what can build for 2023 and beyond

needs in 23 are
1 A delvpoment QB that can be taken in the middle rounds in 23 or 24 with the eye on being denver QB in 25
2 a vet or mid round rook that can team up with Jwilliams
3 a num 1 WR denver basiccly has 3 num 2 WR right now
4 3 new OL starters 1 at C 1 at T 1 at G
5 DL Depth
6 CB Depth
7 need to look at K and P maybe not for 23 but def by 24

my guess for new HC is

1 Dan quinn dallas DC
2 Demno ryans SF DC
3 Brian scottiher was russel OC in sea at his peak
4 brian callihan Ciny OC
5 mike zimmer ex-vikins HC
 

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now it's a 7 game preseason to see what can build for 2023 and beyond

needs in 23 are
1 A delvpoment QB that can be taken in the middle rounds in 23 or 24 with the eye on being denver QB in 25
2 a vet or mid round rook that can team up with Jwilliams
3 a num 1 WR denver basiccly has 3 num 2 WR right now
4 3 new OL starters 1 at C 1 at T 1 at G
5 DL Depth
6 CB Depth
7 need to look at K and P maybe not for 23 but def by 24

my guess for new HC is

1 Dan quinn dallas DC
2 Demno ryans SF DC
3 Brian scottiher was russel OC in sea at his peak
4 brian callihan Ciny OC
5 mike zimmer ex-vikins HC
1 maybe. 2 who knows. There has to be better options than the next 3.

What about Wink or Flores?
 

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Thanks J-man. Those college mags bring back lots of memories. I couldn’t wait to get my hands on Street & Smith each year.

But the memories they bring out aren’t all good.

Andy Katzenmoyer. A tackling machine in college who, somehow, forgot how to do it when he got to the Pats.
 

j-man

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Thanks J-man. Those college mags bring back lots of memories. I couldn’t wait to get my hands on Street & Smith each year.

But the memories they bring out aren’t all good.

Andy Katzenmoyer. A tackling machine in college who, somehow, forgot how to do it when he got to the Pats.
i know i been colling season preview mags of every major sport since 1998 about a year ago i did a e-bay bid of basiccy every strret and smith baseball mag and that was fun

there were some guys like anthony lucas matt jones that worked in college but not the nfl

i know if i won a lottery i wouild bring steet and smith back i throuht Katzenmoyer was going be a star
 

Ale Xander

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No clue how they lost that one after the first 3 quarters.

But hey, maybe a higher draft pick for a young QB
 

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No clue how they lost that one after the first 3 quarters.

But hey, maybe a higher draft pick for a young QB
Higher pick for the Seahawks to replace Geno I assume you mean....

That trade and subsequent contract has the potential to be one of the most franchise altering blunders in NFL history.
 

j-man

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Higher pick for the Seahawks to replace Geno I assume you mean....

That trade and subsequent contract has the potential to be one of the most franchise altering blunders in NFL history.
i kind of agree but without that 5 yr deal wilson does not come looking back on it we shouild just traded 9 to SF for jimmy g and had him play this season out
 

j-man

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i think pete will pick that LB from bama with denvers pick i think that pete think geno is his long term guy
 

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i kind of agree but without that 5 yr deal wilson does not come looking back on it we shouild just traded 9 to SF for jimmy g and had him play this season out
That certainly would be looking better (recent Jimmy G injury not withstanding).

The draft cost and subsequent contract were reasonable for a franchise QB at the time. Just looking like they scouted poorly and Russ is washed well before many expected.
 

j-man

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That certainly would be looking better (recent Jimmy G injury not withstanding).

The draft cost and subsequent contract were reasonable for a franchise QB at the time. Just looking like they scouted poorly and Russ is washed well before many expected.
in their defence there were only 3 choies wilson wentz and ryan and they were all a miss wilson played well yestday he was missing 2 of his top 3 wideouts they have cast offs at rb our best skill player is a 3rd round te rook and playing with 5 backup type ol

denver has to keep wilson 1 more year after this unlees the rams want him
 

j-man

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That certainly would be looking better (recent Jimmy G injury not withstanding).

The draft cost and subsequent contract were reasonable for a franchise QB at the time. Just looking like they scouted poorly and Russ is washed well before many expected.
in their defence there were only 3 choies wilson wentz and ryan and they were all a miss wilson played well yestday he was missing 2 of his top 3 wideouts they have cast offs at rb our best skill player is a 3rd round te rook and playing with 5 backup type ol

denver has to keep wilson 1 more year after this unlees the rams want him
 

j-man

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today was a team loss was over at 27-0 and wilson might be out for the season so denver is likey to be 3-14 4-13 and u can look at it 2 ways

A with a new head coach A OL overhaul and less INJ denver can get to 9-10 wins next year i e the jets of last season
B Bearly beat HOU SF Jax if denver keeps the same o-line they are the fav for the 1 ovr pick in 24
 

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In a couple years they can hire Coach Prime and really make things interesting! Honestly though, it seems like a long rebuild at this point. Caleb Williams could really help in ‘24, but that’s obviously subject to a million factors. Hackett no doubt was the wrong hire but Fangio also seemed ill suited for the job. Easy to blame Wilson but the whole house fell apart.
 

j-man

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In a couple years they can hire Coach Prime and really make things interesting! Honestly though, it seems like a long rebuild at this point. Caleb Williams could really help in ‘24, but that’s obviously subject to a million factors. Hackett no doubt was the wrong hire but Fangio also seemed ill suited for the job. Easy to blame Wilson but the whole house fell apart.
the next coach will be key it has to be someone with nfl ex i have heard wilson camp likes frank reich the ex indy coach

i wouild offer it to dan quinn and if he turns it down go after Anthony Lynn the ex-charegrs coach but played in denver in 97 '98

by long rebuilb do u mean super bowl or being a 500 team

on super bowl u are right but next season denver can be a 500 team and if denver rebuilds their o-line and gets a gamebreaking num 1 WR by this time 2 years from now they couild be in the hunt
 

j-man

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denver won today but it was zona 3rd sting qb had denver not ran the ball in the 2nd haif they wouild had lost this game too

this next game will deside denver final rec 6-11 or 5-12 because LAC will likely treat their week 18 game as a bye
 

j-man

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season review

yes there are 3 games left

but i have time to do this now

QB Wilson Wilson will be back but he is on the spot in 2023 and is A he is cooked or B he can be helped with much better OL play
RB J Williams and maybe boobe murray or a draft pick will williams be back to his 2021 seif or will he lose speed L murray is a pefect backup
WR Jerdy sutton patrick if healhy this is souild core but jerdy needs to become a num 1 for this core to step up
TE dulsh he is a growing star the other TE are backups
OL other than bolies the line couild have 4 new starters
DL underrated D williams has been stepphed up D J jones and dremont jones is set
LB is very set with gregory browning cooper ang griffin jewell and maybe singletion he is fa
CB sutain is a champbailey clone matins k williams and darby ? form a great foresome at cb
S simmons is the best player on the team steans shouild replace jackson
K/P they need a upgrade here

bottom line with a new coach likey frink reich or dan quinn if denver has better heath 17 starters lost to inj over the season they couild win 9-10 games next season because of
1 less inj 2 4th place sch and 9 home games 3 4 plays from 8-6 right now my guess 9-8

denver sch next season
home KC LAC LV MINN GB NE NYJ WC/NYG CLE/PITT
AWAY KC LAC LV CHI DET MIA BUFF HOU
 

j-man

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also here is the big whopper that could happed If ne goes 7-10 and Bill b refused to fire partica i could see denver stepped in because all denver has to do is name Steve as coach in waited in 2026 because wilson only has a 2-3 year window as well and we all know bill wants that coaching record i give it a 1% change