2022-23 NBA Game Thread
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That “Beverly took a dive” call was fan-tastic.
And I think correct too - though I was surprised they overturned it. As we’re the Blazers announcers.
Charlotte off to a decent 2-1 start after looking terrible in the preseason. Dennis Smith has been actually pretty good.
Kelly Olynyk with the game-winner in OT, Utah is somehow 3-0 (and has the best point differential among the 3 3-0 teams):
View: https://twitter.com/WorldWideWob/status/1584361416948994049?s=20&t=_-CBzT1aNfrYkSqhNSmXcQ
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I think over 82 games it will all come crumbling down but they really could be 3-0 the way they’ve played despite shooting 23% from 3. Dame was ridiculous today and they were still down 7 late.
Triple single for Dray tonight, I really hope that turns into a chant where ever he goes. Tri-ple Si-ngle.
yea, a "Tri-ple Sin-gle" chant would be clever and much funnier than the alternative used in the Finals.
This is an incredible stat from Goldsberry: Russell Westbrook has made 3 of 17 jump shots this season. Also, he is the only player that has attempted a jump shot with under 30 seconds to go and 15+ seconds left on the shot clock with their team up by 1 possession in the last 4 seasons.
View: https://twitter.com/kirkgoldsberry/status/1584350355042680832?cxt=HHwWgICqgZ6Q3_wrAAAA
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I dunno, of all the fun Dray putdowns, that always strikes me as one of the silliest. Or at least similarly silly to the idea that “triple double” is a relevant or descriptive stat. (MVP Westbrook says hi). More relevant and descriptive: GS over Dray’s career is +9.7 points per 100 possessions when he’s been on the floor, or +9.3 net on-off.
Whoops — still single digits, you say? How about this one, then: +10.0 on court and net +13.7 on-off in his 145 career playoff games. That’s the kind of “double-double” we ten-fingered hominids should be more concerned with. (From a basketball perspective — I get the knocks on the extra-curricular stuff he brings).
Yeah, "triple single" is basically people making fun of Draymond not scoring a lot of points (since nobody really cares about a player not getting 10 rebounds or assists) and that is obviously a very dumb way for people to knock Draymond's value. I guess the humor is that supposedly Poole said it to him before he punched him.
it was Jordan Poole's idea, thought it was a silly putdown also.
Dray is a future HOFer but it sounds like it irritated Dray
maybe a crowd chanting "triple single" would inspire Dray/Poole and bring them closer
like it better than the "F--K Draymond" chant that got a bunch of folks up in arms in the Finals
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The Lakers point guards are shooting a combined 26 FG% and 18 3P% this season.
— Russ is 1-12 from three
— Pat Bev has 12 fouls and 3 baskets
— Nunn is -44 in 44 minutes
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Hmmm, my sense was the story about JP’s “triple single” comment may be apocryphal (either just a joke that someone took seriously, or part of the initial Klutch campaign to victim-blame Poole). Either way, the punch in the face was definitely not apocryphal, so I totally get why opposing fans would bring it up to remind him of it.
I doubt Dray really cares whether he puts up, say, 7-9-8 or the magical 10-10-10, tho.
I doubt Dray really cares whether he puts up, say, 7-9-8 or the magical 10-10-10, tho.
I like it because it seemed like that got under his skin. He's a dirty player who gets away with more than anyone else in the league, any abuse he gets he fully deserves.
I certainly understand that it's a useless metric.
besides the HOF, Dray has hundreds of millions of reasons why not to care about stat padding along with a drawer full of rings.
Has there been simmering tension between JP/Dray for years, like the NBA media painted?
I would trust your thoughts on the Warriors' over the NBA national media which has its own agenda other than the truth
FWIW, Lakers PGs have a higher combined percentage from three than the Celtics two PG combined, 18% to 15.4%. Smart and Brogdon have been good from inside the arc, at 56%, and are at 38% overall. Smart is minus 2 for the season, 0, -2, 0 in the three games, Brogdon is plus 14, +9, +7, -2.
The non-PG Celtics are shooting a blistering 47% in the first three games. When Smart and MB start hitting from deep, look out.
It's a good insult. Doesn't matter if it's true or makes sense or even if Poole said it. It is now canon.
edit: to add a fwiw, what I read into it was "sure, you might talk a big game and run around the court hurting people, but at the end of the day, you're not as important as you think you are." Whether Poole meant that or even said it to begin with, it feeds into the basketball twitterverse "box score uber alles" worldview while somehow also trying to imply that Dray has lost a step. Mostly it feels good.
Interesting (and weird) stat about Russ being only player in 4 years to take that shot. It was a wide open 17-footer in a 2-for-1 end of game spot. If it wasn’t Russ this would be a great shot under these conditions.
Why would you need a 2 for 1 if you're the team with the lead at the end of a game?
I know the bank shot is a lost art and all. But, I see that angle and distance and think Pippen or Duncan easily bank that in.
I’ve watched all three games from beginning to end and I don’t remember seeing White playing point guard at any time this season
Exactly. 2 for 1 is important if you're behind, or if you're tied. If you've got the lead, you're generally going to get the last shot in this situation regardless - the other team won't run the clock all the way down, they'll need to leave at least a few seconds after a shot attempt to give them a chance if they don't score.
It's like scoring a touchdown when you have a small lead in football with more than two minutes left. All these guys are kneeling now because they know it's more important to drain clock than to score and give the ball back to the other team.
Here's some PG play from White and these are just the highlights (keep watching past where the video starts and you will see him both bringing the ball up and initiating the offense).
View: https://youtu.be/du4dsEGZMdk?t=45
I think the “under 30 seconds” is doing most of the work here. Russ lets it fly before the clock hits 30.0, so I assume the tracking data uses the time the ball hits any part of the goal. By the time Portland possesses the differential is only 3 to 4 seconds. I think you’d probably find a few more in the 30-35 range.
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This can’t be a real question, can it? Why would you only want one opportunity rather than two, especially when the first is an open jumper?
If you're winning, you'll get a second opportunity (pending a defensive rebound) because the team that's losing isn't going to hold for the last shot and run it down to 0. They'll shoot with as much time left on the clock as possible, so that if they miss, the game isn't over. The losing team wants to extend the game, not run clock.
That stat from Goldsberry above (that Russ is the only player that has attempted a jump shot with under 30 seconds to go and 15+ seconds left on the shot clock with their team up by 1 possession in the last 4 seasons) I think is proof enough that it was the wrong move. Even if it was the right decision (which it wasn't), Russ is the last person who should be taking that shot.
*edit - it's also worth noting what actually happened after this. Russ shot early to preserve a 2 for 1 and give the Lakers another possession. The Blazers scored with 12 seconds left, then the Lakers scored with 7 seconds left, then the Blazers scored with 3 seconds left, then the Lakers missed their final shot. Each team got 2 more possessions, because that's how it works when the trailing team has the ball with < 24 seconds left in the game - they take the first good shot available, and don't intentionally run the clock down. Lakers ball with 36 seconds and a full shot clock, the 2 for 1 was never in play, not in the 4th quarter.
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If you want another chuckle on that play, check out Nurkic's "contest" of Russ's shot.
Lovely. Not quite as good as his response to AD taking a 3 earlier, but then it's hard to think of a more insulting response to your man taking a shot than turning your back and picking your nose.
View: https://twitter.com/iztok_franko/status/1584291779041370112?s=20&t=PR8_7O5-e3U_0bXRxelLaA
Yes, it's a real question. The stat alone explains why it's ridiculous to care about two-for-ones when you are leading with seconds to go in the fourth quarter. Any other quarter, a 2 for 1 with 30 seconds left makes perfect sense. Not the fourth. Lebron's reaction - maybe one of the smartest basketball players ever to play the game - hands up, "why are you doing this" also backs this up.
Teams try to score quickly when they're behind, not ahead. Even you can't stubbornly defend this one.
Yea, didn't think my comment was that controversial. Smart, Brogdon, and White all play hybrid guard roles in this offense
I mean there weren’t “seconds” to go and it was a one-point game. The math defends it easily…..if it wasn’t Russ shooting it.
Ben Simmons fouled out again tonight (in only 28 minutes) continuing a disturbing trend that started in the preseason. Didn’t get any eyes on the game, but for his sake hopefully it’s just rust.
If Morant could somehow stay healthy for the entire season he may be the MVP favorite. Freakin incredible what 2022 Iverson can do on the basketball floor.
Anfernee Simons is going nuclear in the 3Q in Portland tonight. Six 3-pointers and 22 points in the quarter with 3 1/2 min still to go!
One guess who played Denver tonight. Rough NBA week.
One guess who played Denver tonight. Rough NBA week.
Anfernee Simons is going off against Denver with a 22 point 3rd quarter and counting. The Blazers look much improved. They’re defending and playing with physicality and pace. There’s a real chemistry developing.
There is no such thing as a 2 for 1 when you have the ball and are winning at the end of the 4th quarter. Such a scenario does not exist.
2 for 1s are only a thing because if you don't do it, the other team will hold for the last shot. But the losing team would not intentionally do this at the end of the 4th, so the 2 for 1 scenario is completely irrelevant. The fact that Russ even brought it up as an excuse afterwards means he is not fully understanding the situation.
Think about all the basketball games you have watched... do you ever see the winning team rush to get a shot up in the last 30-40 seconds of the 4th quarter?
Admittedly, any wide open shot for most players would be OK to take, they were going to eventually have to shoot. But Russ taking it... yikes.
I watched that quarter at a sports bar near the Moda Center after watching the Patriots disaster. His shooting cheered me up.
I ageee on the Russ factor with his doing the shooting. As far as possessions go what difference does a 1-pt lead have to do with taking advantage of an extra possession to give yourself a greater chance to win the game? Of course a 2-for-1 exists in that situation.
You’re not understanding.
There is no “extra” possession by shooting early. The Lakers are going to get another possession anyway, even if they shoot with less than 24 seconds left.
A 2 for 1 theoretically can exist at the end of any quarter. But practically, it doesn’t exist in the 4th quarter for the team ahead.
If the trailing team gets the ball with 22 seconds left, are they going to run out the clock and play for the last shot so the winning team doesn’t get another possession? Highly unlikely, at least not on purpose.
They want to extend the game and create more possessions for both teams. Hence, no 2 for 1.
He was heated and still pissed after the game. Not ideal but it does show his passion for the game is still there which is a good sign for Brooklyn
Nash on the rust
I absolutely understand what you are trying to say however it is far from a certainty that will occur and you still are not accounting for the expected points from an extra possession. You control the possessions when you take a high pct shot up 1 with 30 sec to go (again, this isn’t about Russ taking that shot) although I’d prefer an open 3 in this scenario to make it a 2-possession game.
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