Kornet is probably only the 9th man when the other team plays non-shooters like Green and Looney.
Is there a rule that a player can't just chuck the ball straight up in the air to run clock? Horford's shot was similar to that in affect.That missed shot by Horford was a heads up play.
In the clutch, when defenses turn it up a notch, more Brogdon, please. Malcolm/Marcus should initiate with the ball in their hands at the top with Brown/Tatum on the wings.But in clutch time it was one of Al or Rob playing, not both. Lineups with Rob and Al (I don't think it really matter who is the 4 or 5) were +3 in the first, -9 in the second, and -3 in the 3rd. From the mid 3rd on only one or the other played, and we didn't see Kornet in the 2nd half. I think defensively they match up better with GS going smaller. Al Horford was a stud all night long.
Fun game, haven't been that wound up watching in awhile. C's missed open shots and carelessly turned it over, yet dug in and made some clutch plays, got it to OT and got the win. Seems like State still is in their heads, but they had the talent level to overcome that. They can certainly play better and that's encouraging. Defense in the 4th and OT was outstanding.
Deadball once the shot clock goes off (if the ball has not hit the rim)Is there a rule that a player can't just chuck the ball straight up in the air to run clock? Horford's shot was similar to that in affect.
I've wondered why if there's 26 -28 seconds of game clock why a player doesn't throw the ball straight up in the air. That's gotta take 3 seconds or so. Like a punt in football.
Is there a rule that a player can't just chuck the ball straight up in the air to run clock? Horford's shot was similar to that in affect.
I've wondered why if there's 26 -28 seconds of game clock why a player doesn't throw the ball straight up in the air. That's gotta take 3 seconds or so. Like a punt in football.
so it applies to Golden StateKornet is probably only the 9th man when the other team plays non-shooters like Green and Looney.
Yup, it's not 2017 Warriors anymore. There are a lot of good teams that have to play some non or poor shooters. This is the NBA Durant stole from us with his 2016 decision.so it applies to Golden State
the Bucks (Giannis)
the Grizzlies (Adams/Clarke)
the Nets (Claxton/Simmons)
the Heat (Bam)
there is a common thread here
Agreed, he was a nice find by Bob. He'll get converted to the roster. He actually has some Grant traits. Patrick Baldwin, isn't usable at the moment but could be a rotation player for the Warriors next year. With Kuminga, Lamb, PBJ they have enough young guys to dream on to make Wiseman & Moody available. They need to go get Poeltl or VanderbiltI'll say this: Anthony Lamb did not look like a two-way player, he was giving some of our starters trouble on both ends.
If it is a shot clock violation, the whistle is blown and clock reset to the moment of the clock violation. So unless you think you can chuck it up AND hit the rim, it is not a wise moveIs there a rule that a player can't just chuck the ball straight up in the air to run clock? Horford's shot was similar to that in affect.
I've wondered why if there's 26 -28 seconds of game clock why a player doesn't throw the ball straight up in the air. That's gotta take 3 seconds or so. Like a punt in football.
The key is that Horford's shot met both conditions, albeit barely. Had it been an airball, it would have been a violation. Also key was that the shot and rebound took about 1.9 seconds off the clock.
- After gaining possession of the ball, a team must attempt a field goal before the shot clock expires. To constitute a legal field goal attempt, the following conditions must be complied with:
- The ball must leave the player’s hand prior to the expiration of the shot clock.
- After leaving the player’s hand(s), the ball must make contact with the basket ring
This is fairly similar to my takeaway. Last year Cs lose this game by 10 or more. Now the talent level is high enough they can do what they did and still pull it out.Fun game, haven't been that wound up watching in awhile. C's missed open shots and carelessly turned it over, yet dug in and made some clutch plays, got it to OT and got the win. Seems like State still is in their heads, but they had the talent level to overcome that. They can certainly play better and that's encouraging. Defense in the 4th and OT was outstanding.
It's a fair point, about harping on the negativity. Old habits die hard, I suppose. So in that spirit, let me offer praise for a moment that seemed to blow right by: Jaylen Brown's game-tying 3 at the end of regulation. We seemed to have gone cold from the floor and were being sloppy on D. Horford hits a big 3, but after some more mayhem, I dunno about you guys but I had little confidence that we'd make the right play there with 30 seconds left. But then...Cant we assume that the Celtics had some say in how Curry shot? Its truly ridiculous. On the one hand, no one is saying that GSW choked. On the other, no one is saying the Celtics mounted a tough and terrific comeback. It's almost as though, to some people, the Celtics only won the game because the NBA has decided that someone has to be decreed the winner, and that neither team actually had anything to do with the outcome. It just kinda happened.
Agreed. This team needs to get a little smarter when closing games. We covered this in the ECF Miami Game 7 last year BUTMy one concern is not mental toughness, because they certainly have that, but playing somewhat smarter, especially in critical moments. Hopefully that will come.
Yeah I was disappointed we didn't get the Time Lord lob play there. Guess putting him on the floor would've been too obvious.4. Coach Joe. With .5 second left on the clock, you can't draw up a catch & turnaround jumper. It has to be an inbound pass toward the rim, tap in.
I moaned “Jooooooe c’mon man!” too. With .5 we didn’t necessarily need a lob as a catch-n-shoot is still good but the catch has to be going toward the basket. From that inbounds location you can’t be catching on the strong side of the court as you’d have to turn to shoot.4. Coach Joe. With .5 second left on the clock, you can't draw up a catch & turnaround jumper. It has to be an inbound pass toward the rim, tap in.
I'm being a little petty. I just re-watched the last half of Q4 and OT. The C's did a very good job on D (other than one JB/TL mix-up switch). Horford's perimeter defense on Curry several times was excellent.I moaned “Jooooooe c’mon man!” too. With .5 we didn’t necessarily need a lob as a catch-n-shoot is still good but the catch has to be going toward the basket. From that inbounds location you can’t be catching on the strong side of the court as you’d have to turn to shoot.
Looking at the replay here:
https://www.nba.com/stats/events?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&GameEventID=778&GameID=0022200679&Season=2022-23&flag=1&title=MISS Horford 20' Fadeaway Jumper
Al barely gets the shot out of his hands before the buzzer sounds, but the buzzer clearly sounds when the ball is in the air. From the NBA rulebook:
https://official.nba.com/rule-no-7-24-second-clock/
The key is that Horford's shot met both conditions, albeit barely. Had it been an airball, it would have been a violation. Also key was that the shot and rebound took about 1.9 seconds off the clock.
That was a "don't......great shot" moment for me.Because we're talking about everything relating to the GSW game over in the Tatum thread, I thought I'd move this here:
It's a fair point, about harping on the negativity. Old habits die hard, I suppose. So in that spirit, let me offer praise for a moment that seemed to blow right by: Jaylen Brown's game-tying 3 at the end of regulation. We seemed to have gone cold from the floor and were being sloppy on D. Horford hits a big 3, but after some more mayhem, I dunno about you guys but I had little confidence that we'd make the right play there with 30 seconds left. But then...
View: https://youtu.be/kE_SkK9Xl8g?t=414
Brown calls for it, Marcus hits him, and he drills it with no hesitation, despite the night he'd been having. I get that they count the same in minute 1 as they do in minute 48, but we were out of good alternatives if he missed that. Just a great shot, with enough ball movement to free him up.
I'd imagine he's the one inbounding the ball because he's the best passer at his height. I can't remember who was on the floor, but the guards are too short, Rob you probably want for the lob threat, and Al or Grant are really good with the catch and shoot 3s if the ball swings. I can see an argument for having Al being the inbounder, but you can also have someone flash to Tatum and immediately get him the ball after the inbound2. Tatum you're the best FT shooter on the team. You should not be inbounding the ball up 6. You should be receiving the inbounds. He did that twice...Ugh
Funny thing about him saying this in November, 2022.Well, this really sucks. Wouldn't they have video/audio evidence if people were screaming that within earshot of the court?
Can't imagine the Celtic players would stand for it either. Security would point/toss out fans screaming garbage like that, right?
Draymond Green admitted that the environment in TD Garden during The Finals impacted his play in the series. Green said on his podcast in November that he was repeatedly called racist names throughout the three games played in Boston.
"It was such a beautiful thing," Green told ESPN of closing out the series in Boston in Game 6. "It's not something they hadn't experienced before. So I think it's great that they experienced it from us. With Steph Curry doing what Steph Curry does and the guy they chose to call the N-word. It was beautiful."
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/270053/Draymond-Green-Racist-Chants-In-Boston-Impacted-My-Play-In-Finals
Good job researching all those quotes with the timelineFunny thing about him saying this in November, 2022.
He said this in January, 2022:
They’re loud. They’re pretty loud. They’re very loud. A little obnoxious. But Cleveland fans used to be obnoxious, too. Now, I think these people, they take the cake. I think, going away, they take the cake. But yeah, it’s loud. I mean, you’re trying to win a championship. It should be loud. The fans should be into it. And so I respect it, and after the series I’ll appreciate it. But for now, you know what it is with them.
https://nba.nbcsports.com/2022/06/13/draymond-green-cleveland-fans-were-obnoxious-but-boston-fans-take-the-cake/
This is what he said during the actual FInals, with his son next to him:
“That’s a part of it. He’s here. He has to know what’s up,” Green said of his son. “It is what it is. It’s all a part of it. If it bothered me, I wouldn’t bring him. But he has to know, because he may be in this position one day. And if so, I’m going to sit right in the stands and watch him. And I’m going to say, ‘F— them’ back.”
https://andscape.com/features/draymond-green-ignores-celtics-fans-obscene-taunts-focuses-on-playing-better-in-nba-finals/
After the Finals, he was giving the Celtics fanbase kudos:
“I appreciate this fanbase. They brought incredible energy. Got to give kudos to them. But we did what we do, welcome back to the Warriors’ Invitational baby! That’s what we do! Welcome back!”
https://www.boston.com/sports/boston-celtics/2022/06/17/draymond-green-celtics-fans-warriors-nba-finals/
Then almost 6 months later, he's dropping shit about the fans calling him the N-word.
I'm more than just skeptical of the guy looking for clicks and views on his podcast.
I think we sometimes forget how hard it is to close NBA games, when 5 very large and very fast humans are trying their balls out to turn you over. The Celtics have been pretty good late in games this year. At a certain point, stuff just happens and you have to play.This turnover stuff at the end of games is going to bite them at some point, but good on them for finishing out another tough one. Was not thrilled with the refs at all...we've had some really strange refereeing off and on during this streak. Not anti-Celtics by any means, just weird. Good to see guys stepping up again. Thank God for depth.
PJ Washington at 15ppg probably gets a little more money.I’m legitimately concerned someone decides to offer Grant $18-20M/year in RFA. Boston can match any offer. In a vacuum, as a (very good) 3&D wing, he’s not worth that. However, Brad cannot lose his spot for nothing as they’re up against the cap ceiling. Grant has shown some real growth offensively this season (this isn’t just recency bias with his performance today), and he has the ability to credibly impede individually great players like Jokic and Giannis. With Horford signing a team-friendly extension, we’d be allocating about the same share of cap, tax excluded, to both players next season at that price tag. As a net, that’s probably a push since Al figures to slow at a rate comparable to Grant’s growth - with error bars at either end.
At this point, I think I match. This is how well-run, big-market teams flex their fiscal muscles. The only way I don’t is if a West bottom feeder is the one offering a rich deal AND Brad is somehow able to replace him with someone like PJ Washington.
Yep. Until somebody values Payton as a player that has averaged 13mpg over 29 playoff games the last 2 seasons and had the highest 3pt% the 2nd half of last season Brad should just keep him on the cheap.At this point, I have no desire to give Pritchard up for filler. He's proven his shot is elite at the NBA level, including playoffs, and he's totally fine defensively against all but a few specific matchups.
If another team values him, great, do a deal. If not, I'm happy to ride out his contract. His RFA market will probably be cold too, so bringing him back longer term on a team where Brogdon has aged out isn't even out of the question.
it could also mean that they are really deep at WINGThe Celtics sat Tatum, lost a big and 2 combo guards to injury, and still did not give Hauser a minute. That's an indication of how far he has fallen. I think he should maybe be getting assigned to Maine for a bit.
Pritchard’s on-ball D yesterday was very good, especially frustrating Siakim’s handle at the top of the key and just generally being a pest. He had one anticipation steal where it looked like he had three feet of vertical.At this point, I have no desire to give Pritchard up for filler. He's proven his shot is elite at the NBA level, including playoffs, and he's totally fine defensively against all but a few specific matchups.
If another team values him, great, do a deal. If not, I'm happy to ride out his contract. His RFA market will probably be cold too, so bringing him back longer term on a team where Brogdon has aged out isn't even out of the question.
Yeah, green goggles. The reasons you can't get a late 1st for PP are Desdmon Bane and Malcolm Brogdon. The former shows what you might get if you make the late pick, and the latter shows what you can get if you trade the late pick.PJ Washington at 15ppg probably gets a little more money.
I suspect Brad is comfortable betting on RFA not rewarding 6'6" high-end complimentary players that average 9pts. PBS will use Grant happy talk to scare teams off (unlike the PHX/Ayton stone-cold approach). That should also slightly dampen his market.
Unless Charlotte thinks bringing the local kid back makes sense, Grant could have a similar crappy RFA experience as Marcus Smart
Yep. Until somebody values Payton as a player that has averaged 13mpg over 29 playoff games the last 2 seasons and had the highest 3pt% the 2nd half of last season Brad should just keep him on the cheap.
If you're a tanking team, you could modestly extend this guy for 4yrs this summer. I think he has more value than a late first but that's probably my green goggles speaking.
Teams don’t sell those picks off like they did in the Rondo days. The outside chance of a rotation player is worth the small risk in committed dollars, even if it fails more often than not.Yeah, green goggles. The reasons you can't get a late 1st for PP are Desdmon Bane and Malcolm Brogdon. The former shows what you might get if you make the late pick, and the latter shows what you can get if you trade the late pick.
Didn't we essentially sell off the Bane pick?Teams don’t sell those picks off like they did in the Rondo days. The outside chance of a rotation player is worth the small risk in committed dollars, even if it fails more often than not.
Unnecessarily so, as it turned out.Didn't we essentially sell off the Bane pick?
Brad has done a much better job managing those resources than late Danny did. The difference is pretty stark, when you look at it.Didn't we essentially sell off the Bane pick?
If I'm a team with a few Firsts (Charlotte, Utah, Knicks, Pacers, Orlando) I'd rather ADD a Payton Pritchard extended on a cheap deal than ADD another late first. Lots of rookie development at once is tricky.Yeah, green goggles. The reasons you can't get a late 1st for PP are Desdmon Bane and Malcolm Brogdon. The former shows what you might get if you make the late pick, and the latter shows what you can get if you trade the late pick.
Yea, call a damn timeout there. GeezSurprised Mazulla nor his assistants saw GW down; that turnover by Pritchard at the end of the ballgame never had to happen.
Not only that, the whole design of the game - you can't carry the ball, you have to dribble it - is constructed with a view towards making it more exciting by incentivizing steals. It's a lot more fair (imo) for a fan to get upset about bad or intercepted passes, than it is about steals on the ground or resulting from a trap and double team.I think we sometimes forget how hard it is to close NBA games, when 5 very large and very fast humans are trying their balls out to turn you over. The Celtics have been pretty good late in games this year. At a certain point, stuff just happens and you have to play.
We think of every turnover as avoidable, and missed shots as just a fact of life, but a certain amount of turnovers are just going to happen in a fast-paced sport at the highest levels of intensity.
I hope they'll incrementally improve, but I don't know that there's a ton of juice left to squeeze there.
I’ll go back to my decades old take about the length & athleticism of todays players outgrowing the court dimensions. The next game changer we may see are second units designed to press and trap during their entire rotation in the playoffs. Coming soon to an arena near you.Not only that, the whole design of the game - you can't carry the ball, you have to dribble it - is constructed with a view towards making it more exciting by incentivizing steals. It's a lot more fair (imo) for a fan to get upset about bad or intercepted passes, than it is about steals on the ground or resulting from a trap and double team.
Orlando is 12-9 since their 5-20 start when they were decimated with injuries. The Magic are more than formidable and the game is in Orlando where they’ve won 7 of 10…..they aren’t the Pistons or RocketsWhen it rains, it pours. Payton Pritchard, I hope you and Derrick White are ready for 35-40 minutes each tomorrow.
Maybe they'll have Tatum back, in which case a starting lineup of White, Brown, Tatum, Grant and Al is still pretty formidable, and a heavy dose of Pritchard, Kornet and Hauser and lighter doses of Griffin and maybe even Davison will be counted on to get us through. Because Orlando sucks. But I would really hope for Brogdon, at least, to be back for Miami on Tuesday, because that's a pretty thin rotation to carry for back-to-backs.