2021 Golf Thread

CPT Neuron

Got Pitching?
SoSH Member
Dec 4, 2001
2,971
Biddeford, ME
I really like Bethel. It's a nice course. Have you played Sunday River there or the Poland Springs course, both are very nice as well.
 

BaseballJones

ivanvamp
SoSH Member
Oct 1, 2015
14,780
I really like Bethel. It's a nice course. Have you played Sunday River there or the Poland Springs course, both are very nice as well.
I wanted to play at Sunday River, but didn't, and never have. I've played a fair amount at Poland Springs; I grew up about 15 minutes from there. When I was in college, one time I played at Poland and had FOUR chances for eagle. Left them ALL short.

Now why did I bring up that awful memory?????
 

Deathofthebambino

Drive Carefully
SoSH Member
Apr 12, 2005
35,322
Really cool weekend at my club this past weekend. We had our annual 3 day member guest (my teammate and I came in 2nd in our flight, nothing really great to report there, but we won some money). The cool part was that for the first time ever, a female was part of the winning team. The entire tournament was won by a father/daughter team. Father is a long time member. Daughter is in her mid-20's and lives in Texas now, but grew up here. She's a 5 handicap from the men's tips, scored 2,200 points in basketball in high school (two time Massachusetts Gatorade player of the year) and then played Bball at Boston College. So yeah, she's a great athlete.

Watching them hug after winning it all on the 1st playoff hole of the flight championship shootout (10 flights) after she went -3 on her own ball in the first 5 playoff holes was worth everything. Just such a cool moment, and why golf is such a great sport because it's one of the few that parents and kids can play together for many, many years....
 

TFP

Dope
Dope
Dec 10, 2007
19,404
Really cool weekend at my club this past weekend. We had our annual 3 day member guest (my teammate and I came in 2nd in our flight, nothing really great to report there, but we won some money). The cool part was that for the first time ever, a female was part of the winning team. The entire tournament was won by a father/daughter team. Father is a long time member. Daughter is in her mid-20's and lives in Texas now, but grew up here. She's a 5 handicap from the men's tips, scored 2,200 points in basketball in high school (two time Massachusetts Gatorade player of the year) and then played Bball at Boston College. So yeah, she's a great athlete.

Watching them hug after winning it all on the 1st playoff hole of the flight championship shootout (10 flights) after she went -3 on her own ball in the first 5 playoff holes was worth everything. Just such a cool moment, and why golf is such a great sport because it's one of the few that parents and kids can play together for many, many years....
My buddy was in her flight, him and his partner were 1.5 points down in the flight going into their match as the final match of the weekend. He was 2 up on her with 2 to play - and she closed birdie birdie (on 6 and 7 no less) to halve the match and win the flight. Pretty crazy.
 

Deathofthebambino

Drive Carefully
SoSH Member
Apr 12, 2005
35,322
My buddy was in her flight, him and his partner were 1.5 points down in the flight going into their match as the final match of the weekend. He was 2 up on her with 2 to play - and she closed birdie birdie (on 6 and 7 no less) to halve the match and win the flight. Pretty crazy.
Yep, I had a few cocktails with your buddy, and he filled me in after the round. She's unbelievable to watch when she gets it going. To give people an idea of how hard it is to birdie 6, it's the #1 stroke hole, and I play in a group with 28 guys (25 of which are single digits) every Saturday and Sunday morning. We have a birdie pool, where you pay $100/man before the season, and the first person to birdie all 18 holes wins the money. Last year, nobody in our group birdied 6 the entire season so it carried over. So far this year, 3 guys have birdied it.
 

Comfortably Lomb

Koko the Monkey
SoSH Member
Feb 22, 2004
11,522
The Paris of the 80s
That's a tree-lined 450-485 yard par 4 with a pond right off the tee and wetlands left? With traps guarding both side of the front of the green and only a narrow piece of a fairway between? Yea, I wouldn't expect too many 3's there.
 

Doug Beerabelli

Killer Threads
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
That's a great story, and it's cool the big member-guest tournament was co-ed. Not sure that's the case at all private clubs.

Had a fun 51st birthday weekend (aka cancelled 50th birthday weekend) with a bunch of friends up in Saratogs Springs last weekend. Really enjoyed the day at the horse track, but also spent time at another track that will lighten your wallet - Saratoga National. Clears Cleaver, who's a good golfer, also played. Knowing this was a tough course, and that my group consisted of 4 very average to bad/infrequent golfers (only person with index was me--a 19.5), we played it as a scramble. There was one other foursome, and they had good golfers (one single digit, two low double digits), so we played them our scramble vs. their best ball, gross. Conditions were wet, so it was cartpath only, which slowed things down a bit and made the course play longer.

We paid race reason rates, which was not ideal, but it was an enjoyable experience. Greens complexes were tough, and there's a couple par 5s where the greens are on edge of a pond built up with a rockwall, so it's hit the green or get Luca Brasi'd. The pins seem tucked on most holes, adding to our adventure. It's a lovely visual course. I'm glad we did the scramble format, which made for a more enjoyable round for all. We ended up losing, shoot +2 to their E, despite us being -2 after four holes. I'd play it again, but would prefer the slightly more reasonable off season rates.
 

TFP

Dope
Dope
Dec 10, 2007
19,404
That's a tree-lined 450-485 yard par 4 with a pond right off the tee and wetlands left? With traps guarding both side of the front of the green and only a narrow piece of a fairway between? Yea, I wouldn't expect too many 3's there.
That's the one.
 

Deathofthebambino

Drive Carefully
SoSH Member
Apr 12, 2005
35,322
That's a tree-lined 450-485 yard par 4 with a pond right off the tee and wetlands left? With traps guarding both side of the front of the green and only a narrow piece of a fairway between? Yea, I wouldn't expect too many 3's there.
Yep, that's it, but it also has severe elevation changes and a brutal green. The fairway is about 80 feet below where the tees are so it doesn't play quite as long as the yardage, but it is blind from the tee box. The green is slightly elevated with a false front that if you're short will roll back about 15 yards. The green itself has a huge slope running almost directly down the middle from front to back, with about 5 feet of elevation change from right to left, so most approach shots play from 175-200 for players, and if you're short, you're chipping, but most second shots won't hold the green, or roll to the back and the back is also sloped toward the front as well. It's a true Donald "I'm going to make this reasonable until you reach the green, and then completely fuck you when you get there" Ross design.
 

Deathofthebambino

Drive Carefully
SoSH Member
Apr 12, 2005
35,322
That's a great story, and it's cool the big member-guest tournament was co-ed. Not sure that's the case at all private clubs.

Had a fun 51st birthday weekend (aka cancelled 50th birthday weekend) with a bunch of friends up in Saratogs Springs last weekend. Really enjoyed the day at the horse track, but also spent time at another track that will lighten your wallet - Saratoga National. Clears Cleaver, who's a good golfer, also played. Knowing this was a tough course, and that my group consisted of 4 very average to bad/infrequent golfers (only person with index was me--a 19.5), we played it as a scramble. There was one other foursome, and they had good golfers (one single digit, two low double digits), so we played them our scramble vs. their best ball, gross. Conditions were wet, so it was cartpath only, which slowed things down a bit and made the course play longer.

We paid race reason rates, which was not ideal, but it was an enjoyable experience. Greens complexes were tough, and there's a couple par 5s where the greens are on edge of a pond built up with a rockwall, so it's hit the green or get Luca Brasi'd. The pins seem tucked on most holes, adding to our adventure. It's a lovely visual course. I'm glad we did the scramble format, which made for a more enjoyable round for all. We ended up losing, shoot +2 to their E, despite us being -2 after four holes. I'd play it again, but would prefer the slightly more reasonable off season rates.
Saratoga is a great course. Have played there a number of times (I used to own a piece of a few horses that ran at Saratoga every year) and it's worth the price of admission. Definitely difficult, but just a good track.

And Saratoga itself during race season is just spectacular in every way. I'm going to try to get down there this year before the meet ends.
 

Doug Beerabelli

Killer Threads
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
It was a first time visit for many of us, and all had a great time. The course and clubhouse are lovely.

If you get back into horse ownership, do share. I think the group intends to do the trip again soon, and when we get there, we'll apologize for the way-too-many Pie O My references.
 

Bongorific

Thinks he’s clever
SoSH Member
Jul 16, 2005
7,243
Balboa Towers
That's a great story, and it's cool the big member-guest tournament was co-ed. Not sure that's the case at all private clubs.

Had a fun 51st birthday weekend (aka cancelled 50th birthday weekend) with a bunch of friends up in Saratogs Springs last weekend. Really enjoyed the day at the horse track, but also spent time at another track that will lighten your wallet - Saratoga National. Clears Cleaver, who's a good golfer, also played. Knowing this was a tough course, and that my group consisted of 4 very average to bad/infrequent golfers (only person with index was me--a 19.5), we played it as a scramble. There was one other foursome, and they had good golfers (one single digit, two low double digits), so we played them our scramble vs. their best ball, gross. Conditions were wet, so it was cartpath only, which slowed things down a bit and made the course play longer.

We paid race reason rates, which was not ideal, but it was an enjoyable experience. Greens complexes were tough, and there's a couple par 5s where the greens are on edge of a pond built up with a rockwall, so it's hit the green or get Luca Brasi'd. The pins seem tucked on most holes, adding to our adventure. It's a lovely visual course. I'm glad we did the scramble format, which made for a more enjoyable round for all. We ended up losing, shoot +2 to their E, despite us being -2 after four holes. I'd play it again, but would prefer the slightly more reasonable off season rates.
Saratoga is a great course. Have played there a number of times (I used to own a piece of a few horses that ran at Saratoga every year) and it's worth the price of admission. Definitely difficult, but just a good track.

And Saratoga itself during race season is just spectacular in every way. I'm going to try to get down there this year before the meet ends.
My old man splits a corporate membership so I usually get out at National about 5 times a year. While it never gets easy, the course plays much friendlier after a couple rounds. You really need to know the spots.

Usually see Parcels puttering around the practice area. Never seen him on the course. Saw him a couple weeks ago. He’s looking very thin these days.

I’m not very good. I’m happy if I can score in the low-mid 90’s there. But they have a camera on the 18th green aimed down the fairway for your approach shot, and the video is broadcast in the bar area. Last time I was about 170 out and hit a perfect 5 iron with a draw to about 2 feet of the pin. I felt it move like George Costanza.

Also if you need to keep the wives busy, certain days during the season they bring TVs out onto the patio and you can bet the races. You need to reserve a table but call ahead and see what days they’re doing it that week.
 
Last edited:

voidfunkt

Member
SoSH Member
Apr 14, 2006
686
/dev/null
So stumbled into some Thursday Masters tickets for 2022. The plan right now is to go down with my dad who is in his early 70s assuming Covid doesn’t fuck this plan up massively.

Anyone been to The Masters before and the Augusta area before? I am handling the logistics of getting around since I am a veteran traveler compared to him. He can hobble around but for the Masters itself we will need to rent some chairs and take it easy on the course. Im basically expecting a day of casual drinking and meandering around.

Right now vague plan is to fly down on Wed morning then drive from ATL to Augusta as its about 2 hours. Im thinking of staying in downtown Augusta as it looks like there are some bars and restaurants that are walkable. Im interested in food recommendations for Wed/Thurs night. Also interested in thoughts on location, is downtown Augusta any good?

Beyond Thursday we could either fly home or another option is drive up the east coast to MA and play some golf courses. Any good recommendations for places to hit along the 95 corridor in April?
 

BaseballJones

ivanvamp
SoSH Member
Oct 1, 2015
14,780
On Friday I've got a small 54-hole fund-raiser coming up. Three rounds in one day. 16 golfers. Will be a blast. The weather was looking lousy but as of this moment, looks like 82 degrees and partly sunny, which should be perfect.
 

Average Reds

Dope
Staff member
Dope
V&N Mod
SoSH Member
Sep 24, 2007
32,619
Southwestern CT
It's been a weird week of golf while on vacation in Maine. Three rounds played. 97 the first day in rainy, soggy conditions (not an excuse, just a reality, but I didn't hit the ball well at all). 84 the second day. And then just yesterday, a 77 where I striped the ball off the tee on every hole.

Golf is so weird. How do you go from 97 down to 77 in the span of four days? Crazy.
Here's a summary of my year to date - I had a tough offseason because I was diagnosed with arthritis in my ankle that was so severe that the doctor recommended ankle replacement. (I declined.) The first two months was all about learning to hit with a heavy brace on my left ankle. And once I finally reached some sort of equilibrium, I developed the worst case of yips that I've ever had. (Like, so bad that "I could not stand over a four foot putt because I knew I wasn't going to scare the hole" bad.) All of this explains why my index went from 5.4 last year to 9.0 this year, which meant that I was subject to a "soft cap." My average score was in the high 80s, with a healthy sprinkling of rounds in the 90s as well.

I went on vacation from July 11th to the 25th without the clubs. Came back and played Friday, Saturday and Sunday and the yips were gone. Shot 82, 83 and then everything clicked and I shot a 73 yesterday.

I am baffled as to how I could go from being so lost I wanted to quit the game to suddenly feeling in complete control, but that's golf.
 

BaseballJones

ivanvamp
SoSH Member
Oct 1, 2015
14,780
Haha that's incredible AR. Golf is absolutely one of the screwiest games there is. I was reminded that in the span of like a day, one of the best players on Tour (can't remember who it was) last year shot like a 66 in one round, then an 83 or something the next. If it can happen to them, it can happen to us. But obviously we are much more volatile.

Glad your yips are gone - those are no fun at all.
 

BaseballJones

ivanvamp
SoSH Member
Oct 1, 2015
14,780
BTW.... AR, an *ANKLE REPLACEMENT*? What in the world? That's actually a thing? How does that even work?

Someone cue @SumnerH, who seems to know everything there is to know.
 

TFP

Dope
Dope
Dec 10, 2007
19,404
I am baffled as to how I could go from being so lost I wanted to quit the game to suddenly feeling in complete control, but that's golf.
I've been playing the best golf of my life lately, feel extremely confident, swing getting better, handicap lowest it's ever been, etc.

Saturday I felt like I had never held a club before, literally couldn't hit the ball for the first 3 holes, was completely lost, and shot a grindy 93 (which should have been worse to be honest). Then yesterday I don't think I mishit a shot and felt like I couldn't miss, and shot 81 (that could have been better if I could have made any putts).

Golf makes no sense.
 

BaseballJones

ivanvamp
SoSH Member
Oct 1, 2015
14,780
The old "drive for show, putt for dough" line is true in some sense, but what I've found is that when I am really good off the tee, I tend to score well, and when I don't, I put up ghastly numbers. Mainly because when I miss with the driver, it leads to a lot of penalty strokes. So driving well is absolutely critical for me to score.
 

Average Reds

Dope
Staff member
Dope
V&N Mod
SoSH Member
Sep 24, 2007
32,619
Southwestern CT
BTW.... AR, an *ANKLE REPLACEMENT*? What in the world? That's actually a thing? How does that even work?

Someone cue @SumnerH, who seems to know everything there is to know.
“I didn’t know that was a thing” was precisely what I said to my doctor last December.

After we ruled that out, I asked about golf. He then said “Oh, you have to give up golf.” I responded “Well, now I have two problems, because I have to figure out what to do with my ankle and find a new doctor.”

Thats how I got the heavy brace that I’m wearing for golf.
 

FL4WL3SS

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 31, 2006
12,686
Andy Brickley's potty mouth
The old "drive for show, putt for dough" line is true in some sense, but what I've found is that when I am really good off the tee, I tend to score well, and when I don't, I put up ghastly numbers. Mainly because when I miss with the driver, it leads to a lot of penalty strokes. So driving well is absolutely critical for me to score.
The putter is way more important for scratch golfers than for bogey golfers. The driver is the most important club in the bag for 99.9% of golfers.
 

TFP

Dope
Dope
Dec 10, 2007
19,404
The putter is way more important for scratch golfers than for bogey golfers. The driver is the most important club in the bag for 99.9% of golfers.
This is a much more succinct way of putting what I was trying to type out. You can't make large improvements to your handicap by improving your putting - there aren't THAT many putts that are more makeable in a round. Maybe you eliminate a few 3 putts and make a couple mid rangers some of the time? That's a couple of strokes a round at best and will be offset by those rounds where the putts fall.

Improve your tee game and your iron play and you'll need to rely on your short game even less and your handicap will drop dramatically. In order of importance off the tee: keep it in play/avoid hazards first, keep it within the corridor of your hole second, hit as far as possible third, keep it in the fairway 4th.
 

jercra

No longer respects DeChambeau
Gold Supporter
SoSH Member
Jul 31, 2006
2,855
Arvada, Co
This is a much more succinct way of putting what I was trying to type out. You can't make large improvements to your handicap by improving your putting - there aren't THAT many putts that are more makeable in a round. Maybe you eliminate a few 3 putts and make a couple mid rangers some of the time? That's a couple of strokes a round at best and will be offset by those rounds where the putts fall.

Improve your tee game and your iron play and you'll need to rely on your short game even less and your handicap will drop dramatically. In order of importance off the tee: keep it in play/avoid hazards first, keep it within the corridor of your hole second, hit as far as possible third, keep it in the fairway 4th.
While all of this is true, the one big difference is that you can choose not to hit driver off the tee if it's likely to lead to penalty strokes. I suppose you could choose not to use your putter on the greens (I've done so in tournaments before), but for the most part, you are stuck putting. A 100s shooter would probably take a lot off their handicap just by hitting their best club off the tee and trying to make bogies. I think it's mostly that people have more fun hitting the driver and think they are better with it than they are that keeps them from doing so.

On the golf is weird front, I played 36 on Saturday and 18 on Sunday. In the morning, I finished bogey,/double to shoot a 72. In the afternoon, I don't even remember if I finished at all to shoot (post) an 87. Now, the afternoon was blazing hot and I was playing the Stadium course at TPC Sawgrass, so conditions and course difficulty were certainly part of it, but that's a pretty big swing. On Sunday I finished bogey/triple to shoot a 76. Ironically, if I had hit something other than driver on 18 it would have been a, worst case, 74. But, it was a money game with 20 guys and 72 would have been much more likely to pay, so I was after birdie.
 

cshea

Member
SoSH Member
Nov 15, 2006
29,562
306, row 14
Yeah, I'm a lousy golfer (18 birdies has me as a 15) and when I look back at my rounds my doubles and others are typically the result of errant tee shots. My last 2 rounds were 95 and 91 and I averaged 1.9 and 2.2 putts per hole on both. Not great, but not why I scored poorly. I lose the vast majority of shots by not keeping my driver on the golf course consistently. Out of bounds, water, lost balls, punching out of trees, etc. I should take less than driver more often but alas that's no fun.
 

Doug Beerabelli

Killer Threads
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
I played the golf course at Middlebury College on Saturday. Very different course than the home one - hilly, very small greens. Lots of uphill approaches. I must have tweaked my swing a bit to deal with it, as I played the home course yesterday afternoon and suddenly was hitting the ball a club farther. Just bizarre, although a welcome and needed change if it sticks.

One thing that's helped my a lot recently was finally giving up the ghost on insisting I hit short irons their expected distance, and club choosing the same way. I was very inconsistent with contact, so I could have 20 yd swings in distance or more with sw/pw/9. At some point I decided to take more club and a shorter swing that emphasized shoulder turn rather than a super quick swing, and my contact and results got better. So instead of dealing with 20-50 yd third shot approaches on par 4s, I was within 20 feet of the green more consistently. Amazing how much the scores dropped when I did that, and even the occassional 3-putt was overcomeable. Nowadays unless I need a lot of height on a shot, I'll club down with the short irons and hit the shot 85-90%.
 

TFP

Dope
Dope
Dec 10, 2007
19,404
While all of this is true, the one big difference is that you can choose not to hit driver off the tee if it's likely to lead to penalty strokes.
Of course, which is why number 1 on my list (ahead of hitting it far) is “keep it in play/avoid hazards”. If you can’t keep it in play with driver, hit the longest club you can keep in play and in the corridor of your hole. But prioritize distance over the fairway unless it’s US Open rough or something.

For us shitty golfers, getting off the tee (with whatever club) is much more important than putting.
 

voidfunkt

Member
SoSH Member
Apr 14, 2006
686
/dev/null
While we are on the topic of drivers I got fitted for a new TSi3 with 8 degrees loft and a 60g low spin HZRDUS Smoke RDX shaft. Im hitting the shit out of the ball now off the tee and the misses look good too.
 

jercra

No longer respects DeChambeau
Gold Supporter
SoSH Member
Jul 31, 2006
2,855
Arvada, Co
While we are on the topic of drivers I got fitted for a new TSi3 with 8 degrees loft and a 60g low spin HZRDUS Smoke RDX shaft. Im hitting the shit out of the ball now off the tee and the misses look good too.
It's such a good club. I have the same head, but in 9* and with the Evenflow Riptide 70 shaft. I've played a few rounds with the Sim 2 and it's close in distance, but not as forgiving and I am just not a fan of the look over the ball or the sound off the clubface.
 

BaseballJones

ivanvamp
SoSH Member
Oct 1, 2015
14,780
How much do you guys spend on equipment? I just can't afford expensive stuff, and I know it's costing me on the course, but there's just not a lot I can do about it. Maybe just not feed one of the kids.
 

voidfunkt

Member
SoSH Member
Apr 14, 2006
686
/dev/null
How much do you guys spend on equipment? I just can't afford expensive stuff, and I know it's costing me on the course, but there's just not a lot I can do about it. Maybe just not feed one of the kids.
My company reimburses me $1200 a year for sports/fitness equipment or fees so…up to that much.
 

jercra

No longer respects DeChambeau
Gold Supporter
SoSH Member
Jul 31, 2006
2,855
Arvada, Co
How much do you guys spend on equipment? I just can't afford expensive stuff, and I know it's costing me on the course, but there's just not a lot I can do about it. Maybe just not feed one of the kids.
I've traditionally gotten most of my clubs on eBay, but lately have moved away from that to buying custom fit for driver and putter. I've accumulated a pretty good collection over the years so I generally just sell a bunch of older stuff to finance my newer stuff. I now work in the golf business so I get pretty good discounts on stuff that will change the way I purchase, but I'm still a huge fan of buying used clubs. Last year's drivers still have incredible tech and you can buy them for 1/2 the price of a new one.
 

voidfunkt

Member
SoSH Member
Apr 14, 2006
686
/dev/null
It's such a good club. I have the same head, but in 9* and with the Evenflow Riptide 70 shaft. I've played a few rounds with the Sim 2 and it's close in distance, but not as forgiving and I am just not a fan of the look over the ball or the sound off the clubface.
I originally went in wanting a SIM2 (because marketing) and I just couldn’t hit it. Now to be fair it was the first club I swung on the trackman and my swing was a mess for about 20 min (always fun when you tell the fitter your usual miss is a pull/pull hook and proceed to hit banana slices).

I hit up on the ball a lot and have no issues generating loft. It ended up being a competition between the Calloway Epic Max LS and the TSi3. The TSi3 just produced slightly better numbers. My big fear was the TSi3 wouldn’t be forgiving under real world conditions compared to the Calloway but even my misses with it have been great.
 

FL4WL3SS

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 31, 2006
12,686
Andy Brickley's potty mouth
While we are on the topic of drivers I got fitted for a new TSi3 with 8 degrees loft and a 60g low spin HZRDUS Smoke RDX shaft. Im hitting the shit out of the ball now off the tee and the misses look good too.
I'm curious why you got fit into an 8 degree club. If you want the ball lower, you're better off going with a low launching shaft and higher loft. Obviously they did a good job if you're hitting it well and keeping it in play, but I wouldn't normally recommend an 8 degree head for an amateur golfer.
 

voidfunkt

Member
SoSH Member
Apr 14, 2006
686
/dev/null
I'm curious why you got fit into an 8 degree club. If you want the ball lower, you're better off going with a low launching shaft and higher loft. Obviously they did a good job if you're hitting it well and keeping it in play, but I wouldn't normally recommend an 8 degree head for an amateur golfer.
I generate a lot of spin. This was the combo that got the right spin and trajectory. I don’t really have trouble keeping my driver in play anyways, mostly distance issues have bothered me.
 

barbed wire Bob

crippled by fear
SoSH Member
BTW.... AR, an *ANKLE REPLACEMENT*? What in the world? That's actually a thing? How does that even work?

Someone cue @SumnerH, who seems to know everything there is to know.
It’s basically like any other joint replacement surgery. I’m not a doctor so take this fwiw, but the damaged parts of the ankle joint are removed and a prosthetic device is inserted in it’s place.
https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/14595-total-ankle-replacement
The prosthetic looks like this.
43169
43170
Like any prosthetic, it’s not as good as the original joint in regards to flexibility and mobility but in some cases it’s a lot better than living in constant pain.
https://www.jsesarthroplasty.org/article/S1045-4527(10)00080-5/fulltext
 

dhappy42

Straw Man
Oct 27, 2013
12,702
Michigan
I’m looking at buying new single-length irons. By “new” I mean new to me. I have no qualms about buying 2nd-hand clubs. As far as I know, the only major club-maker that offers them is Cobra. Anyone here play them?
 

Comfortably Lomb

Koko the Monkey
SoSH Member
Feb 22, 2004
11,522
The Paris of the 80s
My four highest lofted clubs are the same length. I've found that incredibly helpful. I'm skeptical about single length irons though. I don't see a reason I would want short irons that are 1.5-2" longer than traditional lengths. I suppose I could buy that some players could benefit from marginally shorter long irons or flattening out the length progression for mid-long irons somehow. With that said, I'm really resistant to changing much with irons. I played a set for almost two decades and replaced them with a similarly spec'd set.

The benefit of used irons is you should be able to flip them without losing much if they don't work out.
 
Last edited:

Oil Can Dan

Well-Known Member
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Jul 31, 2003
7,095
0-3 to 4-3
So I'm playing in my first Member-Guest ever this weekend and I'm completely clueless on how the scoring works. The email I received today says "This year's event is a One Better Ball of Two, Gross and Net (75%)".

I think the one better ball of two means we use the best score between my partner and I on a hole, yes? But how does the Gross and Net work then?
 

TFP

Dope
Dope
Dec 10, 2007
19,404
So I'm playing in my first Member-Guest ever this weekend and I'm completely clueless on how the scoring works. The email I received today says "This year's event is a One Better Ball of Two, Gross and Net (75%)".

I think the one better ball of two means we use the best score between my partner and I on a hole, yes? But how does the Gross and Net work then?
Gross means no handicaps - just the best score period. Net means they'll calculate strokes at 75% of your handicaps and mark up the scorecards they give you to show which holes you get a stroke on, so if you get a stroke and make a 5, it's 5 (gross) net 4. So if 4 beats the other team, you win the hole.

Member Guests are a ton of fun.
 

Oil Can Dan

Well-Known Member
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Jul 31, 2003
7,095
0-3 to 4-3
Thank you! So when they say "the field is broken into 3 flights" they mean there's going to be a Gross winner, a Net winner and a Best Ball of Two winner?

Edit - sorry one more question - on the Best Ball of Two, do they incorporate handicaps into that one usually?
 

TFP

Dope
Dope
Dec 10, 2007
19,404
Actually I'm going to take my response back - I'm guessing it's stroke play event since it's a 1 day member guest. So forget my matches comment, you're just recording your gross and net scores each hole (which will be clear on the spreadsheet. So you and your partner will take your best gross and net score on every hole which will be your stroke play score.

Then they'll flight everyone by combined handicaps and award prizes for Gross and Net within each flight. 3 flights is just due to the number of teams, I'm guessing.
 

jercra

No longer respects DeChambeau
Gold Supporter
SoSH Member
Jul 31, 2006
2,855
Arvada, Co
Thank you! So when they say "the field is broken into 3 flights" they mean there's going to be a Gross winner, a Net winner and a Best Ball of Two winner?

Edit - sorry one more question - on the Best Ball of Two, do they incorporate handicaps into that one usually?
No, it's just a 2 man best ball. The flights will be something like championship, 2nd and 3rs flight and will be dependent on team handicap. So, just play a round of golf and write down your scores. If you make a 5 and your partner makes a 4, you get a gross 5. Now, if your partner and you are both 18 handicaps, you make a net 3. So, gross 4, net 3.
 

Zomp

Dope
Dope
Aug 28, 2006
13,081
The Slums of Shaolin
Oil can usually a club will have this all laid out when you get there and its pretty fool proof. I assume you had to submit your ghin number to them so they can get your handicap? Or if you don't have one you had to tell them in advance? They'll print out a custom scorecard for you indicating the holes you are getting your strokes on.

Don't worry too much about it and have fun!
 

Oil Can Dan

Well-Known Member
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Jul 31, 2003
7,095
0-3 to 4-3
Awesome thanks guys I appreciate the guidance! It’s a two day tourney and I’m playing a practice round today. And yes, they have my GHIN. I was pleasantly surprised to see my 20.7 wasn’t the highest!