2021 Broncos New GM New QB?

j-man

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i know its early but looking at the 2021 season its a huge year for the franchise

if the 2021 season goes like the last 4 Elway might be force out of town even through i think Brittany bowlen would never fire him

the good
Denver has promised at the skills positions esp at WR RB TE
with Vic likely back its means denver front 7 can get better quicker
and with Sutton and maybe Miller back it helps

the bad
Denver has a big QB QT and CB worry
this next year will prove is Lock just a guy
Bolies had a career year but can he do it again
and denver needs 2 CB this offseason


QB Fitz wouild be pefect here as a sounding borad to lock or starter
RB i think Lindsay will be back
WR Patrick will be gone but with jerdy sutton hamler Hamilton denver is stong here
TE Fant can be a top 5 TE and Albent Q couild start for 20 other teams
OL is better but needs 1 more piece
DL if harris comes back the DL is set
LB only q here is will miller be back
CB boyce was a bust michael O is a Num 2 at best Callian is a slot nickel guy
S if simmons is back we are set here

denver plays the AFC WEST NORTH NFC East i wouild guess SF/Zona as game 17 and likey jets/jax if they get the 4th place sch

right now i see a 9-8 record for denver in 2021 anything less than 8 wins might mean sweeping changes after 2021
 

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num 9 pick or 8 if eagles lose needs at

1 CB
2 Vet QB
3 OT

4 ILB
5 S if simmons leaves
6 OLB if miller levres
7 DE if S Harris leaves
 
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j-man

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denver 2021 sch likely 17 games
Home LV KC LAC PHILLY WFT BALT CINY NYJ DET as 17 game
Away LV KC LAC DAL NYG PITT CLE JAX

it looks like the AFC will have 9 home games in odd years and 8 in even years
 
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j-man

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Looks like Elway is giving up control of personnel and hiring a GM.
it is true boy that aged well u know if he was going to do that u have to fire the coach too

i couild say denver was 3 plays from 8-8 but they also 3 plays from 2-14

looks like adam petes from San Francisco is the leader for gm already worked in denver before lynch took him in 2015 if jimmy g gets cut denver couild make a play for him
 

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I could not believe how bad Fangio's end-of-game management was Sunday:

- The Raiders completed a pass in bounds with about 35 seconds left and no timeouts to bring up fourth and goal at the 1 down seven. Fangio waited around 10 seconds to call a timeout - it's not like the Raiders were going to run out of time or be rushed as they had plenty of time to huddle and run a play. Call a timeout to give yourself more time to score if need be, especially in Denver where 60-yarders aren't out of the ordinary.

- After they scored, the Raiders decided to go for two except they were completely discombobulated (Waller wasn't even on the field). For some inexplicable reason, Fangio called a timeout which not only bailed the Raiders out (they would've either had to rush the play or take a delay) but cost him his last one. Of course, the Raiders made the conversion.

- Finally, with nine seconds left he decided to attempt a 63-yarder. Obviously the middle of the field is closed with no timeouts (sure would've been nice if he didn't burn one with the clock stopped and the Raiders out of whack) but that's plenty of time to take a shot to the sidelines and throw it away if nothing is there.

I'm surprised the Broncos didn't move on. Lock's lack of development is the biggest issue but Fangio is 12-20, doesn't seem to know how to manage the clock and they've only fielded average defensive units despite a decent amount of talent there (although obviously Miller was a huge loss this year) and the reputation he came with on that side of the ball. Given that he'll be 63 before next season, can you see him coaching the next good Broncos team?
 

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I could not believe how bad Fangio's end-of-game management was Sunday:

- The Raiders completed a pass in bounds with about 35 seconds left and no timeouts to bring up fourth and goal at the 1 down seven. Fangio waited around 10 seconds to call a timeout - it's not like the Raiders were going to run out of time or be rushed as they had plenty of time to huddle and run a play. Call a timeout to give yourself more time to score if need be, especially in Denver where 60-yarders aren't out of the ordinary.

- After they scored, the Raiders decided to go for two except they were completely discombobulated (Waller wasn't even on the field). For some inexplicable reason, Fangio called a timeout which not only bailed the Raiders out (they would've either had to rush the play or take a delay) but cost him his last one. Of course, the Raiders made the conversion.

- Finally, with nine seconds left he decided to attempt a 63-yarder. Obviously the middle of the field is closed with no timeouts (sure would've been nice if he didn't burn one with the clock stopped and the Raiders out of whack) but that's plenty of time to take a shot to the sidelines and throw it away if nothing is there.

I'm surprised the Broncos didn't move on. Lock's lack of development is the biggest issue but Fangio is 12-20, doesn't seem to know how to manage the clock and they've only fielded average defensive units despite a decent amount of talent there (although obviously Miller was a huge loss this year) and the reputation he came with on that side of the ball. Given that he'll be 63 before next season, can you see him coaching the next good Broncos team?
Actually, I thought Fangio’s biggest mistake was calling the first timeout at all — make the Raiders get up to the line and run a 4th-down play on a shortened play clock (there were less than 40 seconds remaining).

No coach who is in demand will take the Denver job so long as Elway is in a position of authority. They might as well give Fangio another year; if nothing else, it will soften their reputation for cutting bait quickly on head coaches. If Elway proves in the next year that he’s just a figurehead now, Denver will be a more attractive destination next year when they do sack Fangio (because let’s face it, even BB couldn’t get this team to the playoffs).
 

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Actually, I thought Fangio’s biggest mistake was calling the first timeout at all — make the Raiders get up to the line and run a 4th-down play on a shortened play clock (there were less than 40 seconds remaining).
I would say that play ended with about 37 seconds left - it started at 43. That's almost a full play clock - plenty of time to huddle and get to the line so there's no way they would've been rushed. The Raiders then would've taken it down to zero so the Broncos would have no chance to come back and score if they had to. Even if the Raiders made the original rushed two-point conversion (which I would've bet against) or took a delay and kicked the extra point, the Broncos should've gotten the ball back with about 34 seconds left and one timeout. Fangio made sure they got it with 24 seconds and no timeouts.
 
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I would say that play ended with about 37 seconds left - it started at 43. That's almost a full play clock - plenty of time to huddle and get to the line so there's no way they would've been rushed. The Raiders then would've taken it down to zero so the Broncos would have no chance to come back and score if they had to. Even if the Raiders made the original rushed two-point conversion (which I would've bet against) or took a delay and kicked the extra point, the Broncos should've gotten the ball back with about 34 seconds left and one timeout. Fangio made sure they got it with 24 seconds and no timeouts.
That’s fair. I confess a bias toward letting the clock run in these situations. Time pressure forces mistakes; the Malcolm Butler play is the most famous example, and the Seahawks weren’t as pressured then as the Raiders would have been on Sunday. But I agree that waiting ten seconds to call timeout was the worst of all worlds, and likely robbed the Broncos of an opportunity to run another play or two to get in range for a more makable field goal than the 63-yarder they ultimately attempted.
 

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I agree that the TO on the 2pt play was ridiculous. The Raiders were totally discombobulated and Denver completely bailed them out. Awful.
 

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I could not believe how bad Fangio's end-of-game management was Sunday:

- The Raiders completed a pass in bounds with about 35 seconds left and no timeouts to bring up fourth and goal at the 1 down seven. Fangio waited around 10 seconds to call a timeout - it's not like the Raiders were going to run out of time or be rushed as they had plenty of time to huddle and run a play. Call a timeout to give yourself more time to score if need be, especially in Denver where 60-yarders aren't out of the ordinary.

- After they scored, the Raiders decided to go for two except they were completely discombobulated (Waller wasn't even on the field). For some inexplicable reason, Fangio called a timeout which not only bailed the Raiders out (they would've either had to rush the play or take a delay) but cost him his last one. Of course, the Raiders made the conversion.

- Finally, with nine seconds left he decided to attempt a 63-yarder. Obviously the middle of the field is closed with no timeouts (sure would've been nice if he didn't burn one with the clock stopped and the Raiders out of whack) but that's plenty of time to take a shot to the sidelines and throw it away if nothing is there.

I'm surprised the Broncos didn't move on. Lock's lack of development is the biggest issue but Fangio is 12-20, doesn't seem to know how to manage the clock and they've only fielded average defensive units despite a decent amount of talent there (although obviously Miller was a huge loss this year) and the reputation he came with on that side of the ball. Given that he'll be 63 before next season, can you see him coaching the next good Broncos team?
short answer no long answer he also a close to same thing in week 1 aga tenn allow 30 sec to run off at the end of game on your first i was saying timeout at my tv 2 it was also a great throw by carr as well 3 the issue is i think they was down to 2 healhy WR is that the case do u trust your back to go out bouns by the way rb m gordon also went out of bounds twice on the drive before which give them 2 free TO honestly he is a 500 coach they also missed chubb for 3 games boyce for 8-10 games callahan for 6 s harris for 5 purecell for 11 casey for 14 suttion for14 and a haif games albert O for 8 games Glasgow for 4-6 games hamler for like 6 games lock for 3 jawan jamas opt-out Lindrey missed around 6 games this is way fanio gets a 3rd year
 

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Actually, I thought Fangio’s biggest mistake was calling the first timeout at all — make the Raiders get up to the line and run a 4th-down play on a shortened play clock (there were less than 40 seconds remaining).

No coach who is in demand will take the Denver job so long as Elway is in a position of authority. They might as well give Fangio another year; if nothing else, it will soften their reputation for cutting bait quickly on head coaches. If Elway proves in the next year that he’s just a figurehead now, Denver will be a more attractive destination next year when they do sack Fangio (because let’s face it, even BB couldn’t get this team to the playoffs).
Fangio is a great defense mind if he gets fired denver bill needs to take a look at him can get pass rush from no-names also is a great LB mind as well delop ILB A Johnson J Jewell m reed among others
 

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Actually, I thought Fangio’s biggest mistake was calling the first timeout at all — make the Raiders get up to the line and run a 4th-down play on a shortened play clock (there were less than 40 seconds remaining).

No coach who is in demand will take the Denver job so long as Elway is in a position of authority. They might as well give Fangio another year; if nothing else, it will soften their reputation for cutting bait quickly on head coaches. If Elway proves in the next year that he’s just a figurehead now, Denver will be a more attractive destination next year when they do sack Fangio (because let’s face it, even BB couldn’t get this team to the playoffs).
Fangio is a great defense mind if he gets fired denver bill needs to take a look at him can get pass rush from no-names also is a great LB mind as well delop ILB A Johnson J Jewell m reed among others
 

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That’s fair. I confess a bias toward letting the clock run in these situations. Time pressure forces mistakes; the Malcolm Butler play is the most famous example, and the Seahawks weren’t as pressured then as the Raiders would have been on Sunday. But I agree that waiting ten seconds to call timeout was the worst of all worlds, and likely robbed the Broncos of an opportunity to run another play or two to get in range for a more makable field goal than the 63-yarder they ultimately attempted.
on the drive before rb m Gordon ran out of bounds twice saveing the raiders 2 to or 1 to and 40 sec
 

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That’s fair. I confess a bias toward letting the clock run in these situations. Time pressure forces mistakes; the Malcolm Butler play is the most famous example, and the Seahawks weren’t as pressured then as the Raiders would have been on Sunday. But I agree that waiting ten seconds to call timeout was the worst of all worlds, and likely robbed the Broncos of an opportunity to run another play or two to get in range for a more makable field goal than the 63-yarder they ultimately attempted.
I don't think the Raiders would've been pressured at all though - they had 37 seconds to run one do-or-die play. The genius of Belichick letting the clock run down is that the Seahawks only had one timeout and had to plan for three downs. If they ran it on second and got stuffed, they would've had to call their last timeout and couldn't run it on third again because then the clock would've expired/they would've been extremely rushed if they got stuffed. I don't think Wilson threw a pick because of time pressure - they had to throw and it was just an amazing play by Butler.
 
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Sorry, j-man, Von Miller being criminally investigated.

yeah i seen that honestly its time i been trying to trade miller since 2017 now we will have to cut him i think if we do cut him expect in dallas his clindhoom team or vegas just to try to get under denver fans skin

just spitballin here

stafford to denver for our 9 and 3rd round 2021 pick and qb drew lock or 9 and justin simmons and lock

Detroit is not takeing anything less than 9 simmons is a guy i dont want to trade but without him our 22 first wouild have to go too

or watson and J J watt to denver for denver 1st 2nd in 21 1st in 22 1st in 23 jerell casey and Jusin simmons

u have to give up 2 1st for watson maybe even 3 casey has 2 years left and wouild start for Houston simmons is a top 4 s that is great in the community and on the field now if hou just wants picks then watson has to go to Miami this give hou g m draft cap to do what he needs denver a top 6-8 qb