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The issue is about how much time Morey has to get something done--which still is somewhat unclear. If you are making asks like "Harden package" and "Tatum" you are at best creating a longer timeline and more hesitance from other teams to really seriously engage and make their own offers. That's fine initally, and if you have until November in your mind may still be fine. But at some point you have to get to a deal, too, and asks like that are not all that likely to get you there.
Agreed with everything you've said.

Given that I think its unlikely that Bill Simmons gets looped into calls between Morey and other NBA front offices, we should likely contemplate these factors: (a) did this conversation actually happen? If so then... (b) the context matters. "hey Brad, if you give me Tatum for Simmons I will cover the tab at our next dinner" is different than "hello Bradley Stevens, this is Daryl Morey, give me your all star first round pick and I will give you mine!" and (c) Morey likely has several potential deals in place for Simmons and is waiting to see if something like an injury etc bails him out. Asking for the moon and stars away isn't likely to impact those other deals negatively.

In the end, this is all conjecture as I am not familiar with how NBA front offices work day to day. I haven't heard the pod - is BS actually suggesting that Morey is misreading the market? Because if so, that is a bold claim coming from a person who has been lapped by a lot of others in terms of their understanding of how the league works.
 

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Agreed with everything you've said.

Given that I think its unlikely that Bill Simmons gets looped into calls between Morey and other NBA front offices, we should likely contemplate these factors: (a) did this conversation actually happen? If so then... (b) the context matters. "hey Brad, if you give me Tatum for Simmons I will cover the tab at our next dinner" is different than "hello Bradley Stevens, this is Daryl Morey, give me your all star first round pick and I will give you mine!" and (c) Morey likely has several potential deals in place for Simmons and is waiting to see if something like an injury etc bails him out. Asking for the moon and stars away isn't likely to impact those other deals negatively.

In the end, this is all conjecture as I am not familiar with how NBA front offices work day to day. I haven't heard the pod - is BS actually suggesting that Morey is misreading the market? Because if so, that is a bold claim coming from a person who has been lapped by a lot of others in terms of their understanding of how the league works.
Yeah, I find it hard to believe that a smart guy like Morey would seriously propose something like that. If he has a personal relationship with these GMs, he could easily just make a sarcastic “hey, give me Tatum for Simmons” comment for all we know. Or, framed differently, a serious inquiry like “any way to get Tatum for Simmons +”? We all know the answer to that but no harm in asking the latter.
 

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He's a smart guy, but...well, I agree with the following
I remain astonished that they didn’t make that deal and let Harden go to the direct competitor in their division that already had 2 HOF players on it.
He's smart, but perhaps too clever by half. Not making that deal was an epic mistake. It would have made the 76ers title faves and precluded the current mess. So, yeah, Morey is smart -- but I'at the end of the day he might be too clever for his own good.

Though if it's true that the Kings are refusing to send Fox for Simmons, well that's another level of dumb.
 

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He's a smart guy, but...well, I agree with the followingHe's smart, but perhaps too clever by half. Not making that deal was an epic mistake. It would have made the 76ers title faves and precluded the current mess. So, yeah, Morey is smart -- but I'at the end of the day he might be too clever for his own good.

Though if it's true that the Kings are refusing to send Fox for Simmons, well that's another level of dumb.
I believe the story was that either Morey didn't want to deal with Harden after having him in Houston or that the Fertita's didn't want to deal Harden to Morey, who they obviously had a big falling out with.
 

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He's a smart guy, but...well, I agree with the followingHe's smart, but perhaps too clever by half. Not making that deal was an epic mistake. It would have made the 76ers title faves and precluded the current mess. So, yeah, Morey is smart -- but I'at the end of the day he might be too clever for his own good.

Though if it's true that the Kings are refusing to send Fox for Simmons, well that's another level of dumb.
Meh, I dunno. Simmons is really hard to build around and apparently Fox loves Sacramento. I wonder if the Kings would prefer Fox/Simmons over Haliburton/Simmons anyway. Though that trade would have to involve a lot of other pieces.

I wonder if there's some type of deal to be worked out around D'Angelo Russell. That would be a disaster return for Simmons, though.

It's going to be interesting to see where Simmons lands and what the return ends up being. I'm not sure Russell is all that much worse than CJ McCollum though.

Maybe Washington is a potential dark horse. Simmons is signed for 3 more years than Beal, though I'm not sure what good Simmons would do in Washington.

Maybe Cleveland and something around Colin Sexton. I don't see any trades that really work for Philly if they want to compete. There's the Draymond idea floating out there too.

Indiana and something around Brogdon? All these deals looks gross outside of Beal or Fox and I don't see those deals happening.

Too bad Marcus Smart can't be traded.

edit: Also offer Grant Williams for Maxey. Or Bruno, or Carsen.
 

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Curious about the Grizzlies now that the dust has settled...

Started with:
#17, #51, Valanciunas, Grayson Allen, '22 2nd

Ended up with:
Ziaire (#10 pick), Santi Aldama (#30 pick), SAdams, Sam Merrill, '24 2nd, Oturu, Juancho, Culver

Meh. It's not as exciting as I had hoped, but seems ~fine.
 

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Curious about the Grizzlies now that the dust has settled...

Started with:
#17, #51, Valanciunas, Grayson Allen, '22 2nd

Ended up with:
Ziaire (#10 pick), Santi Aldama (#30 pick), SAdams, Sam Merrill, '24 2nd, Oturu, Juancho, Culver

Meh. It's not as exciting as I had hoped, but seems ~fine.
It's curious. I wonder if Jonas will shoot the 3 more in NO. He's a decent FT shooter (.780 career) and is a career .358 3 point shooter (98/274). For his career from 10-16, he's at .423 and from 16-3 he's at .420.
He added the 3 4 years ago and in his last 258 games, he has taken 270 3s.
 

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Wouldnt it be wonderful for a Simmons Beal deal. Beal refuses to sign long term and leaves for Boston after next year.

A man can dream.
 

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I'm not saying you're doing this but laying this on the fans/media is convenient/silly. They have lavished love/cheers/praise on Ben for numerous years. Hell, they showed plenty of patience/love with Fultz, who ended up being an absolute zero. The breakdown is probably a 1000 fans cheering/wearing Simmons' jerseys vs. 1 idiot calling up local sports radio to whine. Does Philly even have a scribe as caustic as the CHB or as clueless as some of the 'EEI nitwits?

It is really Doc's/teammates' comments in the PG presser that are damning and relavent. That's why Klutch wants him out.
Sure, if it was one idiot radio host and one idiot caller that’s one thing……..when it is EVERY host pouring gasoline on the fire while baiting every caller to hammer the kid even more that is something different.
 

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Sure, if it was one idiot radio host and one idiot caller that’s one thing……..when it is EVERY host pouring gasoline on the fire while baiting every caller to hammer the kid even more that is something different.
Look forward to reading about a sobbing Ben Simmons dialing Klutch "Rich, you have to get me out of Philly they are calling me a coward on the radio & in the papers." Then again he probably caught the first flight out of that stinking town after elimination and hasn't returned since. Smashing on the West coast all summer long is more likely.

I'll stick with Doc/teammates/fit/Calfornia Love as the reason he wants out
 

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Look forward to reading about a sobbing Ben Simmons dialing Klutch "Rich, you have to get me out of Philly they are calling me a coward on the radio & in the papers." Then again he probably caught the first flight out of that stinking town after elimination and hasn't returned since. Smashing on the West coast all summer long is more likely.

I'll stick with Doc/teammates/fit/Calfornia Love as the reason he wants out
I feel for the kid, because he's all kinds of fucked up. And the bus accident after that game makes it untenable for him to stay, agreed.

However...when my son and I watched him make that pass (in a motel room on vacation in Pensacola) we both stared at the TV for a minute and said simultaneously "did you fucking see that?".

He has to go. Doc might have been able to back track somehow...maybe. But Joel's comments on top, forget it. Fresh start time.

Rich Paul is fucking with the wrong guy in Morey, trying to move his hand for him. Big agent or not, Morey is fucking nuts enough to do whatever he wants. He'll cycle through these ludicrous deals and find something that works for him, not necessarily for Simmons or Paul.

"OMG treat my man right or we're gonna pull Tyrese fucking Maxey" is pretty funny shit.
 

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Morey has to move him and Paul's boss is one of the most powerful people in the NBA so at some point their incentives will align. Its easy for me to forget that these people seem to view each other as peers and coworkers moreso than rivals though that almost certainly exists too.

Regardless, these days it seems to be almost market standard to accede to a player's wishes.
 

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Are there any examples of a player forcing his way off a team with this many years remaining (4 years guaranteed)?
iirc Olajuwon tried it with a lot of years left on his deal in the late 80s, and the Rockets were just like "nah", and eventually rebuilt the team and won titles.

Edit: it was after the 92 season
 

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I believe the story was that either Morey didn't want to deal with Harden after having him in Houston or that the Fertita's didn't want to deal Harden to Morey, who they obviously had a big falling out with.
It was Feritita didn’t want to trade with Morey. From all reports Morey really wanted to trade for Harden
 

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iirc Olajuwon tried it with a lot of years left on his deal in the late 80s, and the Rockets were just like "nah", and eventually rebuilt the team and won titles.

Edit: it was after the 92 season
That was a different time than today.
 

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Morey has to move him and Paul's boss is one of the most powerful people in the NBA so at some point their incentives will align. Its easy for me to forget that these people seem to view each other as peers and coworkers moreso than rivals though that almost certainly exists too.

Regardless, these days it seems to be almost market standard to accede to a player's wishes.
You remain steadfast on this platform, and I admire you for it.

Morey almost got fired by the People Republic of China like a year ago. He built smurfball in Houston. He just got the job in Philly and isn't going to roll over for Rich Paul until he has exhausted his options.

Not every circumstance is similar. In the end, Paul will have their ear, it might help. Simmons will definitely be traded. Paul isn't setting the timeline though.
 

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I mean, he is going to roll over & it's more of a matter of when than if.

Teams who aren't on the list, & can't get on the list even if they inquire, aren't going to be making serious offers for the opportunity to acquire a disgruntled Ben Simmons & anger RP.

Morey has never even won a title & he's far less unique than when he started. Other people can do what he does & greater in terms of analytics, & be more personable. He's not some made man who can go against the player empowerment era.
 

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https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/263985/Kings-Unlikely-To-Include-DeAaron-Fox-Or-Tyrese-Haliburton-In-Offer-For-Ben-Simmons

I loved Haliburton in the draft/rookie season BUT declaring him off-limits in regards to Simmons is crazy Kings' talk.

If they could add Ben for Haliburton/Hield/TT+ picks(s), that would be a tremendous deal for the KIngs (no chance 76ers do that)

With a month before the season, the combo of Simmons, Rich Paul, Daryl Morey and West Coast GMs going at it should provide decent theater.
 

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https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/263985/Kings-Unlikely-To-Include-DeAaron-Fox-Or-Tyrese-Haliburton-In-Offer-For-Ben-Simmons

I loved Haliburton in the draft/rookie season BUT declaring him off-limits in regards to Simmons is crazy Kings' talk.

If they could add Ben for Haliburton/Hield/TT+ picks(s), that would be a tremendous deal for the KIngs (no chance 76ers do that)

With a month before the season, the combo of Simmons, Rich Paul, Daryl Morey and West Coast GMs going at it should provide decent theater.
Sacramento would prefer to build a trade package around Buddy Hield, Marvin Begley III and other assets such as first round picks.
Hopefully Marvin Begley >>> Marvin Bagley.

This is the right messaging for the Kings to be putting out publicly. If Fox & Haliburton actually like being there, you don't want to discourage that.

They probably aren't even on the list & the chance to say these guys are basically untouchable does a lot to inspire loyalty, unlike when the messaging is that your guys are readily available.

It's not like the 76ers aren't going to hit them up 1 last time before making a trade either, so if they actually like the deal enough, they can include 1 only in the scenario where they're actually getting Simmons.

Also, the worse your public offers are, the more it does to keep perception down & hopefully keep other team's offers low.
 

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https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/263985/Kings-Unlikely-To-Include-DeAaron-Fox-Or-Tyrese-Haliburton-In-Offer-For-Ben-Simmons

I loved Haliburton in the draft/rookie season BUT declaring him off-limits in regards to Simmons is crazy Kings' talk.

If they could add Ben for Haliburton/Hield/TT+ picks(s), that would be a tremendous deal for the KIngs (no chance 76ers do that)

With a month before the season, the combo of Simmons, Rich Paul, Daryl Morey and West Coast GMs going at it should provide decent theater.
It would take a lot for me to move Hali off his cheap rookie contract. As good as Simmons is I’m never including Hali in that deal.
 

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It would take a lot for me to move Hali off his cheap rookie contract. As good as Simmons is I’m never including Hali in that deal.
Buddy, TT, and Hali for Simmons is a good deal for the Kings. These NBA dollar for three quarters and a dime trades are more likely than a trade of all stars. I don’t think Morey will be able to trade a dollar for a dollar, even a Dame one, but this deal gets him a possible future all star on a rookie deal, and a shooter who can spread the floor. If Philly gets a better package than this one, I will be surprised.
 

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Buddy, TT, and Hali for Simmons is a good deal for the Kings. These NBA dollar for three quarters and a dime trades are more likely than a trade of all stars. I don’t think Morey will be able to trade a dollar for a dollar, even a Dame one, but this deal gets him a possible future all star on a rookie deal, and a shooter who can spread the floor. If Philly gets a better package than this one, I will be surprised.
Is Simmons really a dollar though? He might be more than a quarter in this analogy, but he's a very flawed player that has shown minimal desire to improve his game on the offensive end.
 

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Is Simmons really a dollar though? He might be more than a quarter in this analogy, but he's a very flawed player that has shown minimal desire to improve his game on the offensive end.
His shooting is a major flaw and the last time we saw him he choked on a national stay, but in four seasons he has three All-Star appearances and an All-NBA selection. That’s a very good, even borderline elite level of performance.
 

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Ben Simmons is getting underrated now I think. He's a poor fit with Embiid, but he's a really good player (better than Draymond by a lot). I'm not surprised he wants out, it's a bad on-court fit, and he has both a coach and a fellow star who both have the same go to move when the team fails, which is to find someone else to passive-agressively blame, and that guy was Simmons. He should try to force his way out, he'll be in a much better situation almost anywhere else.
 

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Ben Simmons is getting underrated now I think. He's a poor fit with Embiid, but he's a really good player (better than Draymond by a lot). I'm not surprised he wants out, it's a bad on-court fit, and he has both a coach and a fellow star who both have the same go to move when the team fails, which is to find someone else to passive-agressively blame, and that guy was Simmons. He should try to force his way out, he'll be in a much better situation almost anywhere else.
100% agree.

I have always had the mind that he will succeed somewhere in his career, he just needs to find the right system. Philly clearly wasn't the place. Up until recently I thought most people felt the same way.
 

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They surrounded Simmons with 45%, 41%, 39%, and 38% three point shooters this year. I am skeptical of the "bad fit" explanation with him. Short of like, the Nets, I can't think of a better fit for him. The situation isn't the problem. His skillset is.
 

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They surrounded Simmons with 45%, 41%, 39%, and 38% three point shooters this year. I am skeptical of the "bad fit" explanation with him. Short of like, the Nets, I can't think of a better fit for him. The situation isn't the problem. His skillset is.
I don't think it's a skillset issue, he is a superbly skilled player. It's a mentality issue; he does not seem to be wired at the level NBA stars need to be at to maximize their ability. He doesn't have the alpha mentality on-the-court to understand when to take over games and when to be aggressive on offense, and he doesn't appear to have the mentality off the court to improve his weaknesses that have become more and more exploitable the longer he has been in the league.

He is a very unusual player, and I can see NBA executives ranging in evaluations of him, from some thinking he is worth trading an All-Star player for, to others who don't want him under any circumstances.
 

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I don't think it's a skillset issue, he is a superbly skilled player. It's a mentality issue; he does not seem to be wired at the level NBA stars need to be at to maximize their ability. He doesn't have the alpha mentality on-the-court to understand when to take over games and when to be aggressive on offense, and he doesn't appear to have the mentality off the court to improve his weaknesses that have become more and more exploitable the longer he has been in the league.

He is a very unusual player, and I can see NBA executives ranging in evaluations of him, from some thinking he is worth trading an All-Star player for, to others who don't want him under any circumstances.
Plus, he allows his weaknesses to bury the rest of his game when it matters. He completely disappeared late in games against Atlanta because he was terrified of being fouled. Compare this to Giannis, who has similar issues shooting and at the FT line. Like Simmons, Giannis was happy to defer to shooters (Middleton) late in games, but he stays active. Setting screens, getting rebounds, cutting for layups and dunks, being a terror on defense. In Game 5, Giannis missed a free throw that would have clinched the game in the closing seconds...and he got the offensive rebound to clinch the game anyway. No way in hell Simmons does that.

I don't know if a change of scenery helps shake him loose, but at this point I'm confident that things aren't changing in Philly, even if he chooses to stay and play.
 

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Plus, he allows his weaknesses to bury the rest of his game when it matters. He completely disappeared late in games against Atlanta because he was terrified of being fouled. Compare this to Giannis, who has similar issues shooting and at the FT line. Like Simmons, Giannis was happy to defer to shooters (Middleton) late in games, but he stays active. Setting screens, getting rebounds, cutting for layups and dunks, being a terror on defense. In Game 5, Giannis missed a free throw that would have clinched the game in the closing seconds...and he got the offensive rebound to clinch the game anyway. No way in hell Simmons does that.

I don't know if a change of scenery helps shake him loose, but at this point I'm confident that things aren't changing in Philly, even if he chooses to stay and play.
That is what I mean when it comes to Simmons lacking the alpha-mentality that other NBA stars have. Giannis is the complete opposite in that he literally doesn't care if he airballs a shot, or misses his free throws; he is going to try even HARDER if he screws up. How many times did opposing players and fans try and get in his head with the free throw violations? He didn't care, he stayed committed to his routine and in the end, he made 16-18 in the most important game of the season. Simmons' reluctance to shoot, his fear of getting to the line, his inability to really impact the game on the offensive end, are all signs that run counter to what we think of when we think of elite NBA players. They are the most confident people in our society and are never afraid of the key moments, in fact the great ones relish that opportunity.

Simmons has an incredible skillset. He has incredible size, athleticism, ball-handling, court vision and defensive instincts. He is one of the most talented players in the NBA. All of his issues are between the ears, and that is really hard to judge because we have no idea if he will "get it" or if he is just another very talented player who doesn't have the mental makeup to reach his potential. The NBA is filled with people who have superstar talent but never reach their ceilings because they lack the additional superstar drive and attitude to maximize their ability.
 

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Just more evidence (good and bad) that he's tall Rondo, but even worse at shooting. Rondo's free throw issues got so bad that he stopped attacking the rim because he was afraid of going to the line. Through age 25 when he was just hitting his prime (2012), his FTR was .300. Since then, it's just .135.
 

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That is what I mean when it comes to Simmons lacking the alpha-mentality that other NBA stars have. Giannis is the complete opposite in that he literally doesn't care if he airballs a shot, or misses his free throws; he is going to try even HARDER if he screws up. How many times did opposing players and fans try and get in his head with the free throw violations? He didn't care, he stayed committed to his routine and in the end, he made 16-18 in the most important game of the season. Simmons' reluctance to shoot, his fear of getting to the line, his inability to really impact the game on the offensive end, are all signs that run counter to what we think of when we think of elite NBA players. They are the most confident people in our society and are never afraid of the key moments, in fact the great ones relish that opportunity.

Simmons has an incredible skillset. He has incredible size, athleticism, ball-handling, court vision and defensive instincts. He is one of the most talented players in the NBA. All of his issues are between the ears, and that is really hard to judge because we have no idea if he will "get it" or if he is just another very talented player who doesn't have the mental makeup to reach his potential. The NBA is filled with people who have superstar talent but never reach their ceilings because they lack the additional superstar drive and attitude to maximize their ability.
Well said. All of which makes Minny and the Kings likely trade partners. I just cannot see how a GM of a team with championship aspirations sells itself on Simmons to the point they are willing to give up assets that Morey would accept. However, if just making the playoffs or even the play-in counts as success then Ben is your guy.
 

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Simmons fit may not just be a basketball issue. Given what we know about NBA culture - and as Kliq points out, the elite players tend to be wired to never defer, even when its the right play, because who could do it better? - its a fair to wonder if certain star players may not want him on their team. If so, that limits his market as well.

He is still likely to be dealt and while his value is difficult to ascertain for all the aforementioned reasons, I fully expect there to be posts definitively calling any final trade package both an overpay as well as a steal in short order. Perhaps by the very same people who acknowledge Simmons fairly unique attributes.
 

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That Simmons pass under the basket instead of the easy dunk will stick with me like the Cam non-attempt at the fumble recovery against Denver. It’s mostly mental with him so there is a natural cap on his effectiveness if he can’t improve in that area.
 

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That Simmons pass under the basket instead of the easy dunk will stick with me like the Cam non-attempt at the fumble recovery against Denver. It’s mostly mental with him so there is a natural cap on his effectiveness if he can’t improve in that area.
If it were one play in a sea of normal activity on his part, that's one thing. But we were already having a national conversation about how the man was scared to shoot the ball in fourth quarters of multiple playoff games and THEN he did that. Fucked up.
 

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Well said. All of which makes Minny and the Kings likely trade partners. I just cannot see how a GM of a team with championship aspirations sells itself on Simmons to the point they are willing to give up assets that Morey would accept. However, if just making the playoffs or even the play-in counts as success then Ben is your guy.
This is roughly my view. I do think it's a skillset issue with SImmons (rather than lack of 'aggression' or whatever), but he remains a good player for a team without championship aspirations. The Sixers are about the best case scenario for him as a key piece on a contender, but there are a lot of teams just happy to be a 4 or 5 seed most years that could use him. I expect him to fetch a good return from one of those teams.

I would be surprised if a contender dealt for him by contrast.
 

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This is roughly my view. I do think it's a skillset issue with SImmons (rather than lack of 'aggression' or whatever), but he remains a good player for a team without championship aspirations. The Sixers are about the best case scenario for him as a key piece on a contender, but there are a lot of teams just happy to be a 4 or 5 seed most years that could use him. I expect him to fetch a good return from one of those teams.

I would be surprised if a contender dealt for him by contrast.
One assumes Morey wants to wait to see what happens with Dame and Beal. If nothing is percolating on either front before the start of the season, then maybe its: Russell, Beasley and a couple of firsts for Simmons and salary fodder, with the goal of using the MN firsts to acquire another player when the guys Philly just signed are eligible to be dealt as matching salary if need be.

On the Rich Paul front, assuming the Maxey leak came from his camp (as opposed to some 3-D chess from Morey) that strikes me as a real tactical error. It is clear Morey wants to move Simmons. So Paul is not "forcing a trade." But if Paul/Simmons aggressively try to force Morey's hand on timing (actually refusing to report, faking an injury, publicly stating that he will only play with teams x, y and z), then the league is going to intervene (officially or otherwise).

Simmons is in a different situation from Harden or AD (about which there was already a fair amount of hand wringing even though both franchises got solid returns). Simmons has 4 years left on his deal. That current contract is the extension of his rookie deal. Rookie contracts and restricted free agency are essential to non-marquee destination franchises. It is basically the only path to acquiring high end talent. Attempting to force a trade (or an unfavorable trade) of a guys on rookie scale contracts or in the first year of their rookie extension represents an existential threat to a majority of the franchises in the NBA.
 

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Simmons is in a different situation from Harden or AD (about which there was already a fair amount of hand wringing even though both franchises got solid returns). Simmons has 4 years left on his deal. That current contract is the extension of his rookie deal. Rookie contracts and restricted free agency are essential to non-marquee destination franchises. It is basically the only path to acquiring high end talent. Attempting to force a trade (or an unfavorable trade) of a guys on rookie scale contracts or in the first year of their rookie extension represents an existential threat to a majority of the franchises in the NBA.
Good point. The league doesn't want Klutch to set the precedent here, but Simmon's situation is unique.

Do you think Klutch demands a trade if Doc/Embiid don't scapegoat BS in the post-game presser?

or do you think Klutch is using this as a convenient excuse to see if they can create a new paradigm in Agent/Player control?

probably botho_O
 
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Lance being 30 seems crazier to me. Nothing like working out with 1 guy who hasn't played in the NBA since 2018 & another who hasn't since 2016 to make someone appear to be in shape.
 

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This seems like a terrible trade for everyone but the Kings (from Hardwood Houdini).Screenshot_20210902-222312_Facebook.jpg
 

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Curious about the Grizzlies now that the dust has settled...

Started with:
#17, #51, Valanciunas, Grayson Allen, '22 2nd

Ended up with:
Ziaire (#10 pick), Santi Aldama (#30 pick), SAdams, Sam Merrill, '24 2nd, Oturu, Juancho, Culver, Dunn, Edwards

Meh. It's not as exciting as I had hoped, but seems ~fine.
I apologize for thinking your dust had settled Grizzlies...