2021-22 NBA Off-season Thread

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https://theathletic.com/2775013/2021/08/25/from-pistons-to-rockets-no-10-1-ranking-the-nbas-best-offseason-moves-by-team/

Aldridge has the Clippers and Rockets as his 1 & 2 for their offseason work. I know there are a few Rockets/Clip fans around here so I've posted. Didn't realize Eric Bledsoe had so much value?
I can’t speak for others but I’d have to assume 98% of the “Clippers killed it in the offseason” had to do with them being able to extend Kawhi and then retain Jackson, Batum, and Ibaka.
 

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Getting a 2003-2004 Lakers vibe from the 2021-2022 squad.
Same. Or 2012-13. How can anyone possibly compete with a starting 5 of Nash-Kobe-Artest-Gasol-Howard? Might as well call the season.

45-37, swept away in the first round. Then finished in last place the following three seasons. (Incl. an impressive 56 games back of the Warriors in 2015-16).

Here’s hoping, anyway. :)
 

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I can’t speak for others but I’d have to assume 98% of the “Clippers killed it in the offseason” had to do with them being able to extend Kawhi and then retain Jackson, Batum, and Ibaka.
Yeah, even though we all thought Kawhi was heading back it still is the biggest signing of the offseason impact-wise.

The Houston rating---feels like a massive bet on their picks. I do agree they have pivoted pretty well post-Harden, but I'm not sure this offseason is all that unique.
 

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Yeah, even though we all thought Kawhi was heading back it still is the biggest signing of the offseason impact-wise.

The Houston rating---feels like a massive bet on their picks. I do agree they have pivoted pretty well post-Harden, but I'm not sure this offseason is all that unique.
Nobody in the media is saying this and you know I’ve never been one to blindly wear the green colored glasses but I feel that from moving on from a stale GM and a stale Head Coach to start, then to add quality veteran rotation players who both improved roster balance while replacing the youngs minutes…….that we had as good of an offseason as any team in the league!
 

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I can’t speak for others but I’d have to assume 98% of the “Clippers killed it in the offseason” had to do with them being able to extend Kawhi and then retain Jackson, Batum, and Ibaka.
Yea that's a fair point. That crew makes the Clips a top 5 contender for the next 3-4 seasons.

Yea I'm still annoyed Aldridge had the Celtics at 27, which is completely a head-scratcher. He's basically saying they will be worse next season. Dennis Schroder at $5.8MM, for a position of need, is one of the best value pick-ups of the off-season. That signing is not getting nearly enough love from the mainstream NBA media. DS will have an immediate positive impact during bench minutes, which was a huge Celtic weakness last season. Begarin in the mid 2nd round as a stash candidate is also very good work. Plus a half a dozen other small but nimble/positive moves to free up space + add contract flexibility.
 

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Nobody in the media is saying this and you know I’ve never been one to blindly wear the green colored glasses but I feel that from moving on from a stale GM and a stale Head Coach to start, then to add quality veteran rotation players who both improved roster balance while replacing the youngs minutes…….that we had as good of an offseason as any team in the league!
I feel similarly. Evaluation of the Celtics offseason probably comes down to how one feels about "Jayson Tatum, superstar" and "Jaylen Brown, awesome sidekick." If you're bullish on those two, this was a really, really good off-season, because the team will win a lot of games and be set up for an "All the Picks" deal to gfin.

If you're not bullish on the Jays, then I can see how this offseason would feel very underwhelming.
 

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I feel similarly. Evaluation of the Celtics offseason probably comes down to how one feels about "Jayson Tatum, superstar" and "Jaylen Brown, awesome sidekick."
It also depends on how you feel about Kemba and his knee. I think many of us think that getting rid of Kemba for more complimentary players is a net positive. We'll see if that is true.
 

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It also depends on how you feel about Kemba and his knee. I think many of us think that getting rid of Kemba for more complimentary players is a net positive. We'll see if that is true.
Ah, I was just assuming that tbh. It's hard for me to see how that won't be the case unless the complimentary players completely shit the bed.
 

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Ah, I was just assuming that tbh. It's hard for me to see how that won't be the case unless the complimentary players completely shit the bed.
Does anyone consider Schroder to be an all-round downgrade -- factoring in offense, defense, and availability -- from Kemba in 2021-2022?
 

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I'm sure this will help Daryl get the Harden type haul he's been asking for around the league. Trust the process indeed.


Ben Simmons tells #Sixers brass he no longer wants to be a Sixer and does not intend to report to training camp, according to multiple sources. https://inquirer.com/sixers/76ers-ben-simmons-trade-discussion-nba-training-camp-20210831.html?utm_source=t.co&utm_campaign=edit_social_share_twitter_traffic&utm_medium=social&utm_content=&utm_term=&int_promo=… via @phillyinquirer
 

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I'm sure this will help Daryl get the Harden type haul he's been asking for around the league. Trust the process indeed.


Ben Simmons tells #Sixers brass he no longer wants to be a Sixer and does not intend to report to training camp, according to multiple sources. https://inquirer.com/sixers/76ers-ben-simmons-trade-discussion-nba-training-camp-20210831.html?utm_source=t.co&utm_campaign=edit_social_share_twitter_traffic&utm_medium=social&utm_content=&utm_term=&int_promo=… via @phillyinquirer
Pompey quoting a Western Conf Exec who says he wants to play for one of three CA teams, which I interpret as Lakers, Clippers, and Warriors. Lakers obviously have nothing to offer. Doubt Clips would trade George for him but who knows.
 

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Didn't Simmons say that weeks ago?

Fake trade proposal:

Warriors get Simmons ($33m).

76ers get Dray ($24m) + Moody ($3.5m) + Looney ($5.1m) + unprotected Warriors '22 1st

Dray can't play with Simmons & he threw Kerr + Myers under the bus to feed his ego.
 

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Didn't Simmons say that weeks ago?

Fake trade proposal:

Warriors get Simmons ($33m).

76ers get Dray ($24m) + Moody ($3.5m) + Looney ($5.1m) + unprotected Warriors '22 1st

Dray can't play with Simmons & he threw Kerr + Myers under the bus to feed his ego.
Olshey should be trying his damndest to do a CJ + Simons + pick(s) for Simmons
 

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Can Draymond play with Embiid? He'd be a dire return for Philly.

Agreed that CJ is the best target for Philly, he'd fit great there. Problem is Simmons might refuse to report to Portland.
 
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Can Draymond play with Embiid? He's be a dire return for Philly.

Agreed that CJ is the best target for Philly, he'd fit great there. Problem is Simmons might refuse to report to Portland.
I know it is what it is in today's league, but it's crazy to me that a player as flawed as Ben Simmons with that amount of money coming to him would refuse to report.
 

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I know it is what it is in today's league, but it's crazy to me that a player as flawed as Ben Simmons with that amount of money coming to him would refuse to report.
It's the NBA. He can force his way to another team because if the 76ers hard balled him, no FA would ever sign there. Superstars hold all the power.

If there was any actual danger of him losing money, he'd be in Philly. I hope one day a team does play hard ball though. NO did for a little while.
 

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Can Draymond play with Embiid? He's be a dire return for Philly.

Agreed that CJ is the best target for Philly, he'd fit great there. Problem is Simmons might refuse to report to Portland.
I have no proof, but have to think Dame and Chauncey have a lot of NBA cred.

Dame/Simmons/Powell/Covington/Nance would be interesting
 

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Have to think this is part of the leverage game being played around Simmons not yet getting traded out of Philly.
That's rough. I wonder how that goes over around the league when agents start demanding trades for 2nd year players who aren't exactly established. I'm sure the other team wouldn't mind taking on Maxey. He has some promise and has 3 years left on his rookie deal.
 

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That's rough. I wonder how that goes over around the league when agents start demanding trades for 2nd year players who aren't exactly established. I'm sure the other team wouldn't mind taking on Maxey. He has some promise and has 3 years left on his rookie deal.
Yeah, it's hard enough for Philly to find a good enough package for Simmons alone. Maxey is a modest asset who Philly won't want to give away. This could get messy.
 

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Can Draymond play with Embiid? He's be a dire return for Philly.

Agreed that CJ is the best target for Philly, he'd fit great there. Problem is Simmons might refuse to report to Portland.
I think so? I think the reason Simmons is such a bad fit it his stubbornness & refusal to do other things. Dray & Simmons are way too similar to play together, but I think he fits fine with Embiid, & can also play backup center in other lineups.

Agree it's not amazing, but they don't have a ton of leverage. Could always put a Wiseman or Kuminga in instead of or in addition to Moody, especially if Maxey is going back the other way.

I was working on 3 or 4 team trades that involved Draymond going to a 3rd team a couple weeks ago, but not really sure where he be a great fit?

Maybe Simmons to Warriors, Dray to Blazers & CJ to 76ers, but meh.
 

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I think Simmons is far more valuable in a trade than Green. If GSW trades for Simmons it would have to be Green + IMO. And not 2022 GSW first, but more likely one of their recent lottery picks in addition to a first.
 

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A huge piece of Draymond's value is his superhuman connection with Curry with his screen setting and passing. Unless you are pairing him up with a Curry-like offensive presence he is considerably less valuable.
 

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A huge piece of Draymond's value is his superhuman connection with Curry with his screen setting and passing. Unless you are pairing him up with a Curry-like offensive presence he is considerably less valuable.
He’s also turning 32 in March.
 

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I think Simmons is far more valuable in a trade than Green. If GSW trades for Simmons it would have to be Green + IMO. And not 2022 GSW first, but more likely one of their recent lottery picks in addition to a first.
Yeah, my initial post was Dray + Moody + Looney + 2022 1st. But mix & match Wiseman/Kuminga/whatever as people see fit.
 

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A huge piece of Draymond's value is his superhuman connection with Curry with his screen setting and passing. Unless you are pairing him up with a Curry-like offensive presence he is considerably less valuable.
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I know it is what it is in today's league, but it's crazy to me that a player as flawed as Ben Simmons with that amount of money coming to him would refuse to report.
To force a trade out of a city who has been merciless to him? It’s a no-brainer from my seat that he doesn’t report considering the Sixers are also looking to move from him. It forces their hand to do something sooner rather than later.
 

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To force a trade out of a city who has been merciless to him? It’s a no-brainer from my seat that he doesn’t report considering the Sixers are also looking to move from him. It forces their hand to do something sooner rather than later.
I think that “merciless” is rather strong. My impression is that both the city and the team have been patient and supportive of him. That support has eroded over the last 5 years to the point that he needs to get out of there and Morey’s asking for the Sun, Moon and Stars for him rather then making an actual good faith attempt to trade him justifies his refusal to report.
This will be fun to watch as long as he doesn’t get traded to the Celtics.
:popcorn:
 

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I think that “merciless” is rather strong. My impression is that both the city and the team have been patient and supportive of him. That support has eroded over the last 5 years to the point that he needs to get out of there and Morey’s asking for the Sun, Moon and Stars for him rather then making an actual good faith attempt to trade him justifies his refusal to report.
This will be fun to watch as long as he doesn’t get traded to the Celtics.
:popcorn:
When you are constantly heckled by your own media, by your own fans and in your own arena to the point where you don’t want to return there yeah I’d call that merciless. Philly fans have a long history of running players out of town in a similar manner. I mean even his coach threw him under the bus in the post game presser about 4 minutes after his teammate did.

Simmons brings a lot of this on himself for sure. I’m only saying if I was in his shoes I wouldn’t be returning to that place bc when they treat you in this manner that place isn’t home.
 

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When you are constantly heckled by your own media, by your own fans and in your own arena to the point where you don’t want to return there yeah I’d call that merciless. Philly fans have a long history of running players out of town in a similar manner. I mean even his coach threw him under the bus in the post game presser about 4 minutes after his teammate did.

Simmons brings a lot of this on himself for sure. I’m only saying if I was in his shoes I wouldn’t be returning to that place bc when they treat you in this manner that place isn’t home.
I'm not saying you're doing this but laying this on the fans/media is convenient/silly. They have lavished love/cheers/praise on Ben for numerous years. Hell, they showed plenty of patience/love with Fultz, who ended up being an absolute zero. The breakdown is probably a 1000 fans cheering/wearing Simmons' jerseys vs. 1 idiot calling up local sports radio to whine. Does Philly even have a scribe as caustic as the CHB or as clueless as some of the 'EEI nitwits?

It is really Doc's/teammates' comments in the PG presser that are damning and relavent. That's why Klutch wants him out.
 

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I'm not saying you're doing this but laying this on the fans/media is convenient/silly. They have lavished love/cheers/praise on Ben for numerous years. Hell, they showed plenty of patience/love with Fultz, who ended up being an absolute zero. The breakdown is probably a 1000 fans cheering/wearing Simmons' jerseys vs. 1 idiot calling up local sports radio to whine. Does Philly even have a scribe as caustic as the CHB or as clueless as some of the 'EEI nitwits?

It is really Doc's/teammates' comments in the PG presser that are damning and relavent. That's why Klutch wants him out.
99.0% of radio hosts are just as clueless as the WEEI/TSH nitwits. That's what Sports Talk Radio is. Clueless (or pretending to be clueless) morons talking about sports. Philly also has some pretty negative writers. It is every bit as bad as Boston, if not worse.

Regardless, it's pretty clear that the 76ers organization threw Simmons under the bus during the playoffs and since. He should 100% want out. If a team throws a player under the bus, the media and fans will follow suit. Often times, it's the team leaking something to the media and fans to soften the blow of losing said player. Hell, look no further than Terry Francona and his exit from the Sox. A lot of it starts with front office leaks.

And how much love Philly has showed Simmons in the past is pretty irrelevant. Nomar went from hero to pariah, fans turn.
 

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I'm interested to see what Morey gets for him now.

I kind of feel like he cocked this one up but I'm bias because im not the biggest Morey fan.
 

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I'm interested to see what Morey gets for him now.

I kind of feel like he cocked this one up but I'm bias because im not the biggest Morey fan.
I don't think we can say for sure until he's actually dealt. It seems entirely possibly that Morey was asking for the world in exchange for Simmons just to make it look like he was trying to move him, although he as a reputation for starting negotiations that way. If he never intended to trade Simmons, I don't know that has to do so now - Simmons is under contract for 4 more years. That gives him time to either work it our or get a more reasonable deal.
 

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I figured Simmons was done after the team flamed out in the playoffs and both Embiid and Doc threw Simmons under the bus. Which by the way, they were not wrong in their statements, but Simmons' flaws played a gigantic role in his team losing. He hasn't shown any signs of offensive improvement since coming into the league and seems adverse to doing little things that would make himself and his team significantly better. I don't think he is wired to be a top-tier NBA player and I would not be giving up a ton to bring him in.
 

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I'm interested to see what Morey gets for him now.

I kind of feel like he cocked this one up but I'm bias because im not the biggest Morey fan.
On Bill Simmons' podcast, BS mentioned that Morey had called the Celtics and asked for Tatum.
 

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On Bill Simmons' podcast, BS mentioned that Morey had called the Celtics and asked for Tatum.
While the context matters this is exactly what Morey should be doing. The odds of success are terrible but in the off chance that someone might say yes, why not?
 

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I think that “merciless” is rather strong. My impression is that both the city and the team have been patient and supportive of him. That support has eroded over the last 5 years to the point that he needs to get out of there and Morey’s asking for the Sun, Moon and Stars for him rather then making an actual good faith attempt to trade him justifies his refusal to report.
This will be fun to watch as long as he doesn’t get traded to the Celtics.
:popcorn:
It's amazing that less than a year ago Simmons, Maxey, and some low firsts would have landed them James Harden. Now they'll be lucky to turn Simmons into CJ McCollum.
 

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While the context matters this is exactly what Morey should be doing. The odds of success are terrible but in the off chance that someone might say yes, why not?
I wonder how Morey's dealing with the laughter he undoubtedly hears on the other end of the line every time he proposes one of these absurd trades?
 

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While the context matters this is exactly what Morey should be doing. The odds of success are terrible but in the off chance that someone might say yes, why not?
The issue is about how much time Morey has to get something done--which still is somewhat unclear. If you are making asks like "Harden package" and "Tatum" you are at best creating a longer timeline and more hesitance from other teams to really seriously engage and make their own offers. That's fine initally, and if you have until November in your mind may still be fine. But at some point you have to get to a deal, too, and asks like that are not all that likely to get you there.
 

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Kings would (or should) be all over that deal

Fox/Haliburton for Simmons/Maxey also works
Interesting 2 for 2. I don't think I'd do that if I'm the Kings, though.

But Kings aren't even considered 1 of the 3 CA teams. I assume.
 

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It's amazing that less than a year ago Simmons, Maxey, and some low firsts would have landed them James Harden. Now they'll be lucky to turn Simmons into CJ McCollum.
I remain astonished that they didn’t make that deal and let Harden go to the direct competitor in their division that already had 2 HOF players on it.