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Lakers guard Avery Bradley has entered into Covid protocols, sources tell ESPN.

Not sure what the league considers a tipping point but problems with the Lakers might be one.
If this weren’t XMas week we’d already be shut down imo. Silver is trying to get through the games on the 25th which may be the last ones we see for a week or two under these current guidelines.
 

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I have a question/need clarification regarding entering protocols in the nba and nfl, does that mean the person has been exposed and is awaiting the required negative tests? Or that they've tested positive?
 

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I have a question/need clarification regarding entering protocols in the nba and nfl, does that mean the person has been exposed and is awaiting the required negative tests? Or that they've tested positive?
It means they’ve either tested positive or had an “inconclusive” test. (In the NBA; not sure about the NHL).
 

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While we have A-Aron handed countless opportunities and throwing up O-fers with them. Sigh
Shocking that there wasn't a single comment from you Friday nite when Nesmith scored 11 points and was a plus-7 against Golden State. And, yes, I know he was 0 for 5 last nite against the Knicks. He also had seven rebounds and no turnovers in 26 minutes and finished plus-5.
 

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Shocking that there wasn't a single comment from you Friday nite when Nesmith scored 11 points and was a plus-7 against Golden State. And, yes, I know he was 0 for 5 last nite against the Knicks. He also had seven rebounds and no turnovers in 26 minutes and finished plus-5.
Quoting the single game plus minuses to defend Nesmith's play you may as well be explaining he missed his shots but Aquarium was in retrograde.
 

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Quoting the single game plus minuses to defend Nesmith's play you may as well be explaining he missed his shots but Aquarium was in retrograde.
In and of themselves, they mean little, no doubt. But I thought Nesmith played well Friday nite. He shot like shit last nite but otherwise was fine. Clearly, though, he's being paid to shoot, and the misses are problematic.

I'm bowing out of the Nesmith debate. I think he still has a chance. Others obviously disagree. We'll see what happens.
 
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Shocking that there wasn't a single comment from you Friday nite when Nesmith scored 11 points and was a plus-7 against Golden State. And, yes, I know he was 0 for 5 last nite against the Knicks. He also had seven rebounds and no turnovers in 26 minutes and finished plus-5.
He's sucked all year and people have to start thinking about the bust word.
 

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When someone cites a game where a player went 3/8, including 2/6 from the line with 11 points, 3 rebounds, 1 TO and 3 PF and is using that as an example of a GOOD game, you know it's bad.
 

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While we have A-Aron handed countless opportunities and throwing up O-fers with them. Sigh
AN has been even worse from the corner3, where he could actually add floor spacing. With COVID protocols, Nesmith will get some consistent minutes/shots. He either starts draining 3s or Jabari will have a bench partner for the 2nd half of the season.

It's a shame since his energy level is off the charts and this team can get sleepy sometimes
 

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AN has been even worse from the corner3, where he could actually add floor spacing. With COVID protocols, Nesmith will get some consistent minutes/shots. He either starts draining 3s or Jabari will have a bench partner for the 2nd half of the season.

It's a shame since his energy level is off the charts and this team can get sleepy sometimes
I heard someone (can't remember who) describe Nesmith as a "move shooter" as opposed to a "spot-up" shooter. GW is a spot-up shooter. AN shoots better on the move. Too bad in the Cs offense he doesn't get opportunities to shoot on the move.

If AN was playing on DET or HOU or another one of those teams, he'd be putting up NUMBRZ and people would be talking about his second contract. Of course, he'd still be getting beat back door and off the dribble; he'd still get a defensive 3 second call in the opening minute because he didn't get out of the lane; and he'd still get lost on rotations.

Ime is trying to win, for better or for worse. He thinks the team has enough to win. Trying to win and trying to develop young guys is super hard.
 

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I heard someone (can't remember who) describe Nesmith as a "move shooter" as opposed to a "spot-up" shooter. GW is a spot-up shooter. AN shoots better on the move. Too bad in the Cs offense he doesn't get opportunities to shoot on the move.

If AN was playing on DET or HOU or another one of those teams, he'd be putting up NUMBRZ and people would be talking about his second contract. Of course, he'd still be getting beat back door and off the dribble; he'd still get a defensive 3 second call in the opening minute because he didn't get out of the lane; and he'd still get lost on rotations.

Ime is trying to win, for better or for worse. He thinks the team has enough to win. Trying to win and trying to develop young guys is super hard.
Plenty of players put up numbers and no one is pining for them. I don't see anyone here asking for Kevin Porter Jr. Nesmith has been terrible to date.
 

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It's also the favorite (and easiest) excuse of the Port cellar to defend the underperforming young players. "If they were on the Rockets, they'd be playing." We don't know that, and the C"s aren't exactly a great team either.

Maybe AN doesn't play because he has sucked. Maybe he wouldn't play for the Rockets either, because he has sucked.
 

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AN has been even worse from the corner3, where he could actually add floor spacing. With COVID protocols, Nesmith will get some consistent minutes/shots. He either starts draining 3s or Jabari will have a bench partner for the 2nd half of the season.

It's a shame since his energy level is off the charts and this team can get sleepy sometimes
Part of his shooting issues are likely caused by his energy being off the charts. He’s clearly been out of sync bc he’s working too hard on other areas of the game that don’t come natural to him. He needs to get out from Ime’s system to have a chance and I’d guess that will come sooner rather than later.
 

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I think it's 5 games postponed so far over the next few days, NBA and NBAPA apparently working on a plan to require teams short on players to sign guys off the street so they can play
 

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It's also the favorite (and easiest) excuse of the Port cellar to defend the underperforming young players. "If they were on the Rockets, they'd be playing." We don't know that, and the C"s aren't exactly a great team either.

Maybe AN doesn't play because he has sucked. Maybe he wouldn't play for the Rockets either, because he has sucked.
It's also great sport for the Port Cellar to rip rookies who don't perform like JT in their first couple of years.

When I watch AN, I see a NBA basketball player. I mean it's not like we're watching James Young redux. If the Cs cut him tomorrow, there would be a line of teams looking to sign him and give him minutes.

But yeah, maybe I'm wrong and he'll be in Europe in a couple of years.
 

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It's also great sport for the Port Cellar to rip rookies who don't perform like JT in their first couple of years.

When I watch AN, I see a NBA basketball player. I mean it's not like we're watching James Young redux. If the Cs cut him tomorrow, there would be a line of teams looking to sign him and give him minutes.

But yeah, maybe I'm wrong and he'll be in Europe in a couple of years.
Those line of teams would all be lottery teams taking a flier. Aside from a Covid situation I can’t imagine a playoff team bringing him in to fill a role.
 

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Those line of teams would all be lottery teams taking a flier. Aside from a Covid situation I can’t imagine a playoff team bringing him in to fill a role.
You can never have too much wing depth. I think he would fit in just fine with the Wizards or the Knicks both of which could very well be playoff teams. Not necessarily in a starting role however with significantly more of a role than he currently has in Boston.
 

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What I am concerned about with Nesmith is that, for lack of a more scientific diagnosis, he looks nervous and rushed when shooting far too often. The results aren't there and I worry about whether that is something in his makeup or approach.

I have been pleasantly surprised by the rest of his game---he's got a bit of size and works defensively (though has strength and quickness issues so he's never going to be a stud), he can rebound a bit, and he can run. At times, he shows some ability to get penetration offensively though it's not often his role. But the shot still seems off so often....and that was the key calling card. He still needs time, and I have some hope, but I'm overall disappointed to date.
 

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Personally I'm rooting for him, if for no other reason than to shut up the relentlessly negative around here. A guy who is playing a good all around game and just needs to slow down a bit and hit a few shots doesn't seem like he's that far off to me from being a good rotation player.

Here's a nice look at what he did outside of missing shots the other night:

https://www.celticsblog.com/2021/12/19/22844938/aaron-nesmith-has-impactful-non-scoring-night-boston-celtics-jayson-tatum-jaylen-brown-marcus-smart
 

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What I am concerned about with Nesmith is that, for lack of a more scientific diagnosis, he looks nervous and rushed when shooting far too often. The results aren't there and I worry about whether that is something in his makeup or approach.

I have been pleasantly surprised by the rest of his game---he's got a bit of size and works defensively (though has strength and quickness issues so he's never going to be a stud), he can rebound a bit, and he can run. At times, he shows some ability to get penetration offensively though it's not often his role. But the shot still seems off so often....and that was the key calling card. He still needs time, and I have some hope, but I'm overall disappointed to date.
+1 this pretty much sums up my Nesmith thoughts

I had him > then Romeo to start the season and need to walk that back. When playing you can see Romeo's positive direction more than ANs

It would be nice if Romeo had a little of Aaron's excitement level and Aaron had a little of Romeo's coolness

ALSO went back to the draft thread from 13mths ago, basically, the majority of this board wanted Danny to trade up from 14 to 10 or 11 or 12 to get Haliburton, who for some unknown reason slipped behind Jalen Smith/Obi Toppin/Vassell
 

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Personally I'm rooting for him, if for no other reason than to shut up the relentlessly negative around here. A guy who is playing a good all around game and just needs to slow down a bit and hit a few shots doesn't seem like he's that far off to me from being a good rotation player.

Here's a nice look at what he did outside of missing shots the other night:

https://www.celticsblog.com/2021/12/19/22844938/aaron-nesmith-has-impactful-non-scoring-night-boston-celtics-jayson-tatum-jaylen-brown-marcus-smart
The negativity on his game is on Nesmith from my seat. I supported the pick until he arrived completely deer in hesdlights, showed he struggled with foot speed on both ends of the floor and has overall sucked out loud in trying to compensate for his slow feet.
 

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The negativity on his game is on Nesmith from my seat. I supported the pick until he arrived completely deer in hesdlights, showed he struggled with foot speed on both ends of the floor and has overall sucked out loud in trying to compensate for his slow feet.
I was a big Nesmith supporter pre-draft and post-draft and I was expecting the defensive challenges. What I was not expecting was the bricklaying sessions that we get on almost a nightly basis with him. I get that his playing time is infrequent and the sample sizes are small but there is no margin for error with him given his other challenges. The effort is always great from my vantage point but he's a situational bullpen pitcher who comes in and walks guys. At some point, the tools have to actually produce. Not ready to throw the "B" word around on him but my optimism is at its lowest point.
 

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I was a big Nesmith supporter pre-draft and post-draft and I was expecting the defensive challenges. What I was not expecting was the bricklaying sessions that we get on almost a nightly basis with him. I get that his playing time is infrequent and the sample sizes are small but there is no margin for error with him given his other challenges. The effort is always great from my vantage point but he's a situational bullpen pitcher who comes in and walks guys. At some point, the tools have to actually produce. Not ready to throw the "B" word around on him but my optimism is at its lowest point.
This is exactly where I am. He was drafted for one reason and that is to make threes. I'd take the questionable defense and out of control play all day long if he was shooting 40% from three at a decent volume. His career 32% from deep is still SSS in my opinion, but the clock is ticking. If he truly can't shoot he'll be in Europe sooner rather than later.

I'm never falling for a Summer League performance again.
 

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This is exactly where I am. He was drafted for one reason and that is to make threes. I'd take the questionable defense and out of control play all day long if he was shooting 40% from three at a decent volume. His career 32% from deep is still SSS in my opinion, but the clock is ticking. If he truly can't shoot he'll be in Europe sooner rather than later.

I'm never falling for a Summer League performance again.
I think he’s still trying to get out of the mindset that, regardless of predraft sniper rep, he actually got on the court for playing like the dial was stuck on 11. Ultimately though, to your point, if he can’t show the shooting shortly then it’s looking rough.

Also, I hope it doesn’t mean anything that Siri really wanted to change predraft to redraft.
 

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Given his size and pedigree, Nesmith is unlikely to be out of the league soon. Furthermore, he isn't the first scorer to come into the league and struggle to find a role. Jordan Clarkson and Lou Will, to name a few well known bench snipers, both struggled for years before establishing roles for themselves. If he too turns out to be a decent NBA rotational scorer/energy guy but elsewhere, the most frustrating aspect won't be the elsewhere part. It will be the timing. Imagine the C's with a league average shooter taking Langford/Nesmith minutes.
 

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Clarkson was much better to start his career and Williams was straight out of HS. I don't get the comparisons. Nesmith was a 21 year old rookie who barely saw the court his rookie year and is seeing the court even less his 2nd year, while regressing in the process. If he was 20, maybe it would be less worrisome.

People are really reaching to find optimism. At least Langford had an obvious excuse.
 

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There are no predictions in my posts - those who tell us with certitude what will happen often fall into the trap of needing to double and triple down when their predictions don't play out rather than accepting that they were wrong.

Clarkson, who was 22 coming into the league, and Williams are two examples of shooters who struggled out of the gate in the NBA, bounced around and found roles. Clarkson's first two seasons in the league, his TS% was below ~52%. Through a season and just over a third, Nesmith's TS% is 52.9%. Nesmith may not have an NBA career beyond this contract but there are plenty of examples - not just these - of players like him who found a niche after struggling/bouncing around early in their careers.
 

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There are no predictions in my posts - those who tell us with certitude what will happen often fall into the trap of needing to double and triple down when their predictions don't play out rather than accepting that they were wrong.

Clarkson, who was 22 coming into the league, and Williams are two examples of shooters who struggled out of the gate in the NBA, bounced around and found roles. Clarkson's first two seasons in the league, his TS% was below ~52%. Through a season and just over a third, Nesmith's TS% is 52.9%. Nesmith may not have an NBA career beyond this contract but there are plenty of examples - not just these - of players like him who found a niche after struggling/bouncing around early in their careers.
Clarkson didn't struggle though. He's basically the same player he's always been outside of 19/20. And Lou was straight out of HS. Use better comparisons.

Plus, even conceding the point, by your words, neither of them did anything until their 3rd team. So what good will that do us in regards to Aaron Nesmith? We gonna sit around another 4 years? Even if he's good in 5 years, the C's will have still wasted a pick because they got no production out of him. Who cares if he's good when he's 28 and on his 4th team?
 

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Jordan Clarkson had true shooting of about 52% through his first two seasons (I think it comes out just below but haven't run the exact numbers). People are free to disagree and prove my posts wrong but nobody has done that yet. But to clarify, my only point is that Nesmith may have a productive NBA career but its unlikely to be for the Celtics, especially this season.
 
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Clarkson began his career playing out of position as the PG for a 20-win team. As has been said, LouWill also came out of HS and Philly was playing him as a pure PG for the first 4-5 years of his career. Neither entered the league with “one job” until teams began understanding their skillset.

Like DeJesus said, Nesmith will get more shots than most players (he already is) due to his pedigree and size for his position. I project his upside now to be Wayne Ellington, a guy who bounces around .500 or below teams off the bench with his down side to be out of the league. I don’t feel he carries much trade value at all anymore based on the warts we’ve seen that lowered his ceiling.
 

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Jordan Clarkson had true shooting of about 52% through his first two seasons (I think it comes out just below but haven't run the exact numbers). People are free to disagree and prove my posts wrong yet nobody has done that yet. But to clarify, my only point is that Nesmith may have a productive NBA career but its unlikely to be for the Celtics, especially this season.
And Clarkson's TS% is now .539. If that's AN's upside, he's not long for the NBA given the rest of his game. I just find it weird you are using 2 players who aren't exactly shooters or efficient. AN needs to be a far better shooter than Lou or Jordan to have any real type of career.