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Boone is a horrible manager. As a Sox fan, I hope he stays, but man does he really need to go.

Gallo acquisition was great. Didn’t help, but he’s a great defender and an easy 40+ HR guy.

Move on from Torres, Sanchez, Voit and I’d even consider Judge depending on what they could get for him. (no one is taking Stantons money)

This division, minus the Orioles is going to ridiculous for a long time.
 

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Stanton’s contract is just 6/132 from here as far as AAV and he was dominant down the stretch and in the wild card game, he is a guy to build around right now. He also was competent in the OF once they finally let him play there, possibly not coincidentally when he started going nuts at the plate.
 

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None of this is knee-jerk. Had they won a world series, these same problems would persist exactly the same as the 2021 Red Sox. None of the opinions here from at least the Yankees contingent of SOSH sounds any different than it has all season.

The Red Sox need to think the same way. They are not a good team and you all know that. They can't approach the offseason any differently just because they beat a shitty Yankees team.
Didn't the Sox and Yanks get waxed by COVID this season, while Tampa didn't?
Not sure the spread is that great between the 3 teams, actually 4 teams.
The Blue Jays are right there, after some shitty home-field luck to start the season.

These 4 beat the crap out of each other. All of them would be 100-win clubs in the NL East. Feel free to tear down but overreacting after COVID season seems hasty.
 

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The Red Sox need to think the same way. They are not a good team and you all know that. They can't approach the offseason any differently just because they beat a shitty Yankees team.
I agree this is excessive. Sox have been a good team all year - not great - but fully deserve to be playing in an ALDS.

As far as the Yankees, you wrote this earlier: “there are so many bright spots right now that could carry the 2021 Yankees deep into the playoffs.” Changing this tune is, well, knee-jerk.
 

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I agree this is excessive. Sox have been a good team all year - not great - but fully deserve to be playing in an ALDS.

As far as the Yankees, you wrote this earlier: “there are so many bright spots right now that could carry the 2021 Yankees deep into the playoffs.” Changing this tune is, well, knee-jerk.
And that is still true. How am I changing it? I made many statements on here that neither the Yankees nor the Red Sox were very good teams. None of that said there isn't a route to beating the Rays.
 

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Cashman, Voit and Sanchez have all been trending at different times on Twitter today and I keep getting excited that something has happened.

Instead, Boone is still our manager.
 

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I wasn't at all surprised that they resigned DJ. JonAbbey... you're saying people actually WERE surprised??? I find that shocking. I don't think it was a good idea (and for the Sox fans here that were hoping to sign him) as his time in Yankee Stadium looked like peak career outliers rather than a new trend. He's a good, solid player... but not worth the money. But Cashman had the dough and they've always been more sentimental in keeping fan favorites around.
The Yankees really I think just had an unlucky year. They're a very well built team and I think getting rid of Torres and just adding Correa would be the perfect situation for them. Gio is a good hitter, DJ... add Correa and Rizzo and that's terrifying. Really their Starting Pitching is in great shape. Tons of depth. I wonder if they will move Severino back to the rotation....
Just a few moves (pricey ones- Correa is going to be $30M annually and Rizzo probably $15M annually for 3 more years. But that's it, no?
Dealing Voit and Torres will bring something back- nothing even close to what they could have brought back a year ago,, but Cashman is good at finding lower level potential.
 

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I wasn't at all surprised that they resigned DJ. JonAbbey... you're saying people actually WERE surprised??? I find that shocking. I don't think it was a good idea (and for the Sox fans here that were hoping to sign him) as his time in Yankee Stadium looked like peak career outliers rather than a new trend. He's a good, solid player... but not worth the money. But Cashman had the dough and they've always been more sentimental in keeping fan favorites around.
The Yankees really I think just had an unlucky year. They're a very well built team and I think getting rid of Torres and just adding Correa would be the perfect situation for them. Gio is a good hitter, DJ... add Correa and Rizzo and that's terrifying. Really their Starting Pitching is in great shape. Tons of depth. I wonder if they will move Severino back to the rotation....
Just a few moves (pricey ones- Correa is going to be $30M annually and Rizzo probably $15M annually for 3 more years. But that's it, no?
Dealing Voit and Torres will bring something back- nothing even close to what they could have brought back a year ago,, but Cashman is good at finding lower level potential.
Read more closely. Abbey said when the Yankees “originally signed” DJ, people were surprised because both DJ and Gleyber were best at second base.

Cashman’s plan to play Torres at short turned out to be a failure that contributed to a sluggish first four months of 2021.
 

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I wonder what the chances are that they sign Rizzo. It would be so nice to have a left handed bat at first that can actually play defense.
 

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I don't want any part of a long term deal for Correa, especially at $30M per, if that is what it costs. Not really keen on a long deal for anyone, to be honest. I'd support one for Judge, but even that scares me some.
 

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I don't want any part of a long term deal for Correa, especially at $30M per, if that is what it costs. Not really keen on a long deal for anyone, to be honest. I'd support one for Judge, but even that scares me some.
The future of this franchise hinges on the prospects. You gotta sign Judge because he is the face of the franchise. He learned how to protect his body this year. And as Abbey said above, and you have often said, Stanton is a much better hitter when he plays often in the outfield. So keep the big guys in place and fill in with the kids over the next 2-3 years. The pitching is pretty good although always a work in progress. Cole and Seve make a stronger 1-2 next year than Cole-Kluber was projected in 2021.
 

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Read more closely. Abbey said when the Yankees “originally signed” DJ, people were surprised because both DJ and Gleyber were best at second base.

Cashman’s plan to play Torres at short turned out to be a failure that contributed to a sluggish first four months of 2021.
I think I read that clearly. But yeah…. I understand and understood then the problem. But I wasn’t surprised they signed him. I think that one of the problems with the Yankees is that they continue to resign veterans past their prime after they have become fan favorite and defensive liabilities.
 

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DJ is not a defensive liability. He plays 2B pretty well, is fine at 1B when they've needed him there, and adequate at 3B in an emergency. With all the injuries they've had, his defensive flexibility has been a great asset to the team over the last couple of seasons.
 

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I think I read that clearly. But yeah…. I understand and understood then the problem. But I wasn’t surprised they signed him. I think that one of the problems with the Yankees is that they continue to resign veterans past their prime after they have become fan favorite and defensive liabilities.
No, you didn’t read Abbey’s original post correctly. You said you weren’t surprised when yanks resigned DJ but JA was talking about the original signing.

Abbey said this:
As I said in the top post, it doesn't make sense for NY to keep both DJ and Gleyber as both really need to be everyday 2B. When NY originally signed DJ, it completely surprised everyone, no one had even thought for a second they might do that. Why? Because both DJ and Gleyber really need to be everyday 2B and are far less valuable anywhere else.
 
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Yes, every single person was surprised the first time they signed DJ before 2019, because as we knew then and have had confirmed since, Gleyber and DJ are both way better off playing 2B than anywhere else.

No one was surprised when NY signed DJ again this past winter, coming off two superb seasons, but in retrospect, they would have been better off letting him go like TB does with so many of their best players ('You just made the World Series and are trading Snell and letting Morton go? Are you crazy? (season plays out) Oh.).
 

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I think that one of the problems with the Yankees is that they continue to resign veterans past their prime after they have become fan favorite and defensive liabilities.
Who have they done this with in recent years? They let Didi go, they did re-sign DJ which doesn't look great currently but no one in the world questioned it at the time, including me. They kept Gardner at minimal money as a 4th OF, then Hicks went out for the season and Gardner had to play more. So who are you referring to?
 
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Stanton’s contract is just 6/132 from here as far as AAV and he was dominant down the stretch and in the wild card game, he is a guy to build around right now. He also was competent in the OF once they finally let him play there, possibly not coincidentally when he started going nuts at the plate.
It's funny, I actually feel this offseason will be their best opportunity to get away from Stanton's contract, and that they should definitely explore doing so. I get that he had a good year and came up huge in big late season spots, but consider the following - most of which I'm sure you know:

- Stanton's good health this season was very uncharacteristic. He's played over 130 games in only 5 of his 11 full seasons. This doesn't include 2020, where he missed over half of the shortened season. At age 31, it's hard to imagine this improving, and the limited defensive value he provides will decline as well.
- His market will likely never be stronger given his performance this season and with the universal DH coming. I could totally envision teams like SD, coming off of a massively disappointing season (and willing to spend money) showing interest. Even the NYM could see Stanton as a fit - their offense was atrocious this year, and Cohen is clearly willing to spend money.
- Assuming NYY will continue to stay below the luxury tax threshold, Stanton's contract ties up a ton of money (14% of NYY's payroll in 2021). NYY has number of players still in arb who will get increases next year, including Judge, who's either getting a sizable arb bump, or being signed to a huge deal.
- Shortstop is NYY's glaring pain point, and with all of the SS talent hitting FA, they could land a stud SS at a decent relative value.

So, why not package Stanton and Torres (and eat a few dollars if needed) to free up capital to sign one of the stud SS FAs and lock up Judge long term? I feel like a 28 y/o Corey Seager at SS + money for Judge provides a lot more value to the team than keeping a 31 y/o Stanton at DH (and passable at LF) + Torres, who doesn't have a position. It also seems like a tough year to try move DJL after the season he's had at the start of his contract.

I get that the fanbase is hot on Stanton right now, but feel like these days everyone (not just NYY fans) are so extremely hot/cold on everything. If you're good, you're a god and if you're bad, you're a total dog and should be run out of town. I just feel like next Spring when Stanton goes through another one of his cold spells, the fan base will again be furious, and more importantly, the team will be stuck with a contract that will become increasingly immovable each season. Just a though.
 

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And spend that money on what instead? You make some reasonable points but no one gives a shit (or should give a shit) what an especially stupid fan base for NY seems to collectively think. Also over the last two postseasons, Stanton has a 1.529 OPS in 35 PAs, 7 HRs in 8 games. Judge is just 2 1/2 years younger than Stanton, you want to dump Stanton's 6/132 and spend what on Judge, 10/300 (I have no idea)?

I have been a bit slow in offseason NY talk this year because there's so much we don't know that makes it almost impossible. What will be the new CBA? Presumably Hal will let Cashman spend big if he wants, but is that the right move? How do Correa (great), Story (OK), and Seager (Gleyber-esque) project defensively at SS? Which of their position player prospects do NY believe in and do they think any are ready (Peraza, Volpe, Florial, Gittens, Pereira, all should be on the 40 man)? What's the latest on the rumor named Aaron Hicks? Once NY starts making 40 man moves, we will know a little more at least.
 

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I just noticed that Stanton had a .941 OPS on the road this year and a .799 at home, over 1.000 OPS in 11 different parks this year.

Also he had an insane 19 HRs in 207 ABs after August 1st this year (not counting the 3-4 with a HR wild card game), I would want NY to trade him too if I was a Sox fan. :)
 
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I'd consider putting the money towards a SS and Judge. If the options are to build around Stanton at 22/year AAV or Judge at say 28/year AAV, Im going with Judge and it's not really that close. Both have durability concerns, but Judge's don't seem as historically consistent as Stanton's, and when Judge is healthy, he seems to be always on. Stanton on the other hand goes through patches where he appears totally lost at the plate that don't appear to be related to health. Not to mention Judge provides legitimate defensive value.

I'd have to dig into some of the recent bigger contracts, but with Judge going into his age 30 season and having 1 arb year left (plus the durability concerns), I don't think he's getting 10/300M. Yelich got 7/188M at age 28 coming off of 2 MVP caliber seasons; Arenado got 8/260M at age 28, and he's an elite defender. All of the mega 300M + contracts were for players a few years younger than Judge.
 

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https://blogs.fangraphs.com/the-yankees-need-a-remake-but-their-flexibility-is-limited/

Fangraphs has a good summary of the Yankees situation, and in general I agree.

I'm writing all of this with the assumption that ownership still wants to be around the CBT level every year.

I would add to the Fangraphs article that things, to me, feel a bit desperate for the Yankees and that's primarily related to a lack of cost-controlled upper tier talent. In 2017, when the Yankees surprisingly won 91 games and made the ALCS, you figured that a good six year window had opened up because of how many cost-controlled young players were already in the team or expected to graduate. You guys had Judge, Sanchez, Torres, Severino, Bird, Andujar, Frazier and others who could reasonably be expected to maintain or improve on their 2017 level. And, true to expectations, the majority of these players lived up to the billing. You guys had two 100-win seasons even with some injuries. Because you had all of these cost-controlled players, you were able to spend heavily on the bullpen and the rotation to compete, and compete you did. From a roster construction perspective, Cashman did very, very well.

But now we're heading in 2022, basically the last year of the six-year window, and things feel desperate because a lot of these young players are getting close to their payday, and some could be said to be passed their physical peak if you accept the typical MLB aging curve. Judge, Cole, DJ and Stanton are passed their peak. This had to happen, of course, players will get old. But the situation is desperate because the Yankees have basically not graduated any upper tier talent for a good 4-5 years. At this point, the 'smart' strategy would be to accept that you are going to lose some talent from the team, go into a soft 2014-2015 rebuild, push guys up as quickly as possible to see whether the talent translates in the majors. For example, Schmidt, Deivi and Gil should be starting next year, or get multiple innings from the pen regularly. If they perform well, with the remaining base level talent of the team, you're going to win 95 games and continue competing. If they don't, so be it, at least you know what you have, trade guys at the deadline for some prospects and target 2024 as the start of a new phase. This includes trading Judge at the deadline next year, if the team is not competitive.

The key to contending again year-in year-out is to get upper tier cost-controlled players. From a timing perspective, doing a soft rebuild now is would also fit the timeline of the AL East. The Jays and Rays are going to be dominant for the next 2-3 years, winning 90 games and losing at the wild card or ALDS every year whilst not stocking the farm would mean trouble in 2023 when everyone has fully aged out of their peak and it would put a lot of pressure on the farm to graduate some really good players.
 

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Of course, everything I wrote goes out the window if the CBT level goes up to, say, $250m, and ownership's willing to tolerate being above that level for 2-3 years. Then, you can use free agency to build a bridge until the next crop of really good prospects graduate. If this is the case, Correa would be a good move, and someone like Scherzer would still fit the timeline.
 

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JA - this site says that Stanton's contract is 6/159, with a 7th year team option at $15M. Is this not correct? Those values are for his age 32-37 seasons. That feels like a lot for a player has already missed 2.5 years.

I don't think the Yankees have a payroll problem, but a torrid two months at the end of 2021 shouldn't preclude the Yankees from considering whether Stanton has long term value.
 

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AAV is what counts towards the tax, his number is $22M per year because of the entire contract and MIA is still paying some ($3M per year from memory). He is owed more than that but AAV is the only number that matters to NY.
 
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Can we rename this subforum to STANTONS AAV is 22.5M? The amount of times we have to explain that is bananas.
 

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AAV is what counts towards the tax, his number is $22M per year because of the entire contract and MIA is still paying some ($3M per year from memory. He is owed more than that but AAV is the only number that matters to NY.
I'd largely agree but I would think as a business the actual salary matters some from a profit perspective to the team. But yeah the AAV is the bigger consideration.
 

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https://blogs.fangraphs.com/the-yankees-need-a-remake-but-their-flexibility-is-limited/

Fangraphs has a good summary of the Yankees situation, and in general I agree.

I'm writing all of this with the assumption that ownership still wants to be around the CBT level every year.

I would add to the Fangraphs article that things, to me, feel a bit desperate for the Yankees and that's primarily related to a lack of cost-controlled upper tier talent. In 2017, when the Yankees surprisingly won 91 games and made the ALCS, you figured that a good six year window had opened up because of how many cost-controlled young players were already in the team or expected to graduate. You guys had Judge, Sanchez, Torres, Severino, Bird, Andujar, Frazier and others who could reasonably be expected to maintain or improve on their 2017 level. And, true to expectations, the majority of these players lived up to the billing. You guys had two 100-win seasons even with some injuries. Because you had all of these cost-controlled players, you were able to spend heavily on the bullpen and the rotation to compete, and compete you did. From a roster construction perspective, Cashman did very, very well.

But now we're heading in 2022, basically the last year of the six-year window, and things feel desperate because a lot of these young players are getting close to their payday, and some could be said to be passed their physical peak if you accept the typical MLB aging curve. Judge, Cole, DJ and Stanton are passed their peak. This had to happen, of course, players will get old. But the situation is desperate because the Yankees have basically not graduated any upper tier talent for a good 4-5 years. At this point, the 'smart' strategy would be to accept that you are going to lose some talent from the team, go into a soft 2014-2015 rebuild, push guys up as quickly as possible to see whether the talent translates in the majors. For example, Schmidt, Deivi and Gil should be starting next year, or get multiple innings from the pen regularly. If they perform well, with the remaining base level talent of the team, you're going to win 95 games and continue competing. If they don't, so be it, at least you know what you have, trade guys at the deadline for some prospects and target 2024 as the start of a new phase. This includes trading Judge at the deadline next year, if the team is not competitive.

The key to contending again year-in year-out is to get upper tier cost-controlled players. From a timing perspective, doing a soft rebuild now is would also fit the timeline of the AL East. The Jays and Rays are going to be dominant for the next 2-3 years, winning 90 games and losing at the wild card or ALDS every year whilst not stocking the farm would mean trouble in 2023 when everyone has fully aged out of their peak and it would put a lot of pressure on the farm to graduate some really good players.
My take on this is pretty straight forward and maybe overly simple. The players who underperformed this year are the players you're talking about and easy enough to cut bait on if needed. The core to build around is pretty simple too. Cole, Severino, Montgomery, Cortes, Judge, and Stanton. They do not need to take a step back next year in order to succeed in two years. They have money and an absolute shit ton of trade chips. Torres is a 23 year old with two great seasons and a really nice second half this year. Trade him or DJ, get rid of Voit and Frazier. Get rid of Sanchez. Time for Gardner to go (he won't on his own).

The minors are still absolutely loaded, especially in places we need. So the problem the Yankees have isn't about windows. It's about roster construction and wasted roster space + injuries. They need to improve in CF, SS, C. All other positions are answered for. IF they have the opportunity to add another starter, go for it and same for the bullpen. That would look like an entirely new team. No rebuild needed.
 

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It's really going to be hard for me to root for NY nearly as much if Boone is still the manager next spring, I largely checked out down the stretch this year already.
 

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How about Carlos Beltran? If Cora and Hinch can manage, why not him?
Heh, I have mentioned him a lot over the years, plus he is in Cora's head already (London 2019 news conference). I think at the least he should be the bench coach, maybe Joe Espada (Houston bench coach but was in NY for a long time before that) can be the manager. Sign Correa and Verlander if you can too (not joking)...
 

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This is what I posted on July 26, obviously it's after the season now and NY can go right to the more permanent move:

Cone is a pretty smart guy but I'm not so sold on his potential decision making. Also the stories that would come out about the partying he did in his Mets days once he became a serious candidate would presumably be intense, which is why I think he will never be a serious candidate for NY manager. If he did ever get hired, though, he might be the guy to get them to dump the no beard rule at long last...

From what I know, the move should be fire Boone, promote bench coach Carlos Mendoza to interim manager, maybe hire Beltran for bench coach, Joe Espada (HOU's bench coach who was with NY previously) as a managerial candidate after HOU's season is done (unless they fire Dusty and promote him to keep him, pretty unlikely). I said it before Boone was hired, if it was me picking, I would almost certainly pick someone who spoke both English and Spanish fluently, there are a few options.

Also Boone could then go (hopefully) do something where he would be an actual upgrade, replacing A-Rod on Sunday Night Baseball. Boone was not good either when he did that but much much better than our centaur friend. I know none of this will actually happen (at least until the offseason with Boone) but a man can dream.
 

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It's really going to be hard for me to root for NY nearly as much if Boone is still the manager next spring, I largely checked out down the stretch this year already.
As the Yankees’ season fades away, I am in agreement with you. Yanks need to change managers. Boone took over a team that was ready to win it all. He had four cracks at it and his teams have regressed these past two seasons. That’s a long time to underachieve. Boone will get hired quickly if he wants to continue managing. I suspect he will step away. The real concern for the franchise is who they bring in to get this team moving forward. They won 92 games despite all of the injuries and blown leads. Who do they hire to smooth out the rough spots?
 

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It's hard enough to compete in the AL East (whether or not TB comes back here, the top two guys in the batting order and the whole postseason rotation are rookies) without Boone handing over a handful of games per year because of his non-existent ability to improvise from his front office-given plans as games develop late from pitch to pitch. The only way he should be allowed to stay is if NY hires a bullpen move specialist coach. That guy makes the bullpen calls, Boone is allowed to occasionally object and then Matt Blake breaks the tie. Brian, you want to inexplicably keep the clearly over his head from day 1 Boone because somehow you value press conferences over actual managing, that's what you need to do. You're welcome, Brian, feel free to snap me up as a work from home consultant.
 

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As the Yankees’ season fades away, I am in agreement with you. Yanks need to change managers. Boone took over a team that was ready to win it all. He had four cracks at it and his teams have regressed these past two seasons. That’s a long time to underachieve. Boone will get hired quickly if he wants to continue managing. I suspect he will step away. The real concern for the franchise is who they bring in to get this team moving forward. They won 92 games despite all of the injuries and blown leads. Who do they hire to smooth out the rough spots?
Man, I couldn't disagree more. He'll get hired quickly by ESPN or MLB Network, but I don't know who someone would hire him to manage, or why.
 

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I've been much more ambivalent about Boone, but given that his contract has expired, they have to move on from him. They aren't going to give him a lame duck one year contract and they really can't justify a longer one unless they make some other kind of organizational change like Jon has suggested a couple of times with regard to bullpen management. Seems unlikely.

I still want no part of Beltran though. Even beyond the actual cheating, if there is any chance that allegations are true that he pressured younger players to go along with it, I want no part of him mentoring and developing players on the Yankees.
 

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Man, I couldn't disagree more. He'll get hired quickly by ESPN or MLB Network, but I don't know who someone would hire him to manage, or why.
I've said it before but he is like the guy who works in the cubicle next to you, he only got hired to begin with because his dad and his grand-dad both worked at the same company, you go to the same meetings for a few years, he never says anything to make you think he has any kind of insight (ESPN), and then he is promoted over you.
 

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It will never happen, but I wish they could trade for Girardi and put him back in charge. And yeah, I know it would be better to find the next great young manager prospect, but good luck with that.
 

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I've said it before but he is like the guy who works in the cubicle next to you, he only got hired to begin with because his dad and his grand-dad both worked at the same company, you go to the same meetings for a few years, he never says anything to make you think he has any kind of insight (ESPN), and then he is promoted over you.
This is a good analogy. Feels correct from this Sox fan’a perspective.
 

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I have no interest in Beltran and I'm pretty certain the Mets are gonna hire him. I just want to steer clear of managers who have their own storylines and rap sheet.

Personally, I think a Joe Girardi type would be excellent for this roster. Someone constantly trying to push the players to get better and improve, someone who holds the players accountable, and someone who isn't everyone's best friend. I think Boone is a GREAT player manager and a bad in-game manager. Eventually, it started to feel like the players were running the team and Boone was just there to occasionally herd the flock.
 

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Yeah, pretty much.

I think breaking in an inexperienced manager in NY can be difficult. A veteran manager with the right kind personality (that can deal well with the extra spotlight) would be my preference. Doesn't have to be a harder edged Girardi type though I'd be happy with that. Joe Torre was great and I don't think fans had high expectations when he was hired.
 

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I have no interest in Beltran and I'm pretty certain the Mets are gonna hire him. I just want to steer clear of managers who have their own storylines and rap sheet.

Personally, I think a Joe Girardi type would be excellent for this roster. Someone constantly trying to push the players to get better and improve, someone who holds the players accountable, and someone who isn't everyone's best friend. I think Boone is a GREAT player manager and a bad in-game manager. Eventually, it started to feel like the players were running the team and Boone was just there to occasionally herd the flock.
Is he a good player manager though? I feel like we have heard multiple times that players have issues with him.
 

Sandy Leon Trotsky

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Why did Girardi leave/was let go?
What was the perception of him there?
Yankees do have a pretty good history of bringing in the same manager multiple times….
 

crow216

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Why did Girardi leave/was let go?
What was the perception of him there?
Yankees do have a pretty good history of bringing in the same manager multiple times….
Girardi was mostly liked but toward the end of his tenure was becoming a bit abrasive and definitely getting more pressure from fans around his bullpen usage and treatment of younger players.

The rumors tended mostly to be around Girardi’s unwillingness to follow the analytics as often as the front office would have liked. In Boone, they said during his interviews he called every in-game decision exactly as the analytics implied he should.
 

terrynever

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It will never happen, but I wish they could trade for Girardi and put him back in charge. And yeah, I know it would be better to find the next great young manager prospect, but good luck with that.
Not a bad idea. And possible with a gentleman’s agreement between Cashman and Dave D.
 

jon abbey

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Girardi was flawed too, resistant to input from the front office, but more importantly he’s in Philly and not going anywhere. They hired his old NY buddy Kevin Long as hitting coach literally today.
 

terrynever

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Girardi was flawed too, resistant to input from the front office, but more importantly he’s in Philly and not going anywhere. They hired his old NY buddy Kevin Long as hitting coach literally today.
Philly fan base is grumbling. That’s never good. And Dave D refused to extend Girardi’s contract past next year. Joe goes into 2022 as a lame duck.
 
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