2021-2022 Yankees Offseason Discussion
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I wonder if they can get a deal on him.
View: https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/1490018326835257351?s=20&t=ueyf4aKKPUqnA48VPpBlEw
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The CBA negotiations have me wanting to quit caring about baseball but unfortunately (?) I still do.
The below news is relevant to NY as Jung is TEX’s stud 3B prospect and his being ready this year along with the signings of Seager/Semien should have made Kiner-Falefa available, and he would have been a good stopgap SS for NY, but now I’m guessing given this development he won’t be available.
View: https://twitter.com/evan_p_grant/status/1494794242161614858?s=21
The below news is relevant to NY as Jung is TEX’s stud 3B prospect and his being ready this year along with the signings of Seager/Semien should have made Kiner-Falefa available, and he would have been a good stopgap SS for NY, but now I’m guessing given this development he won’t be available.
View: https://twitter.com/evan_p_grant/status/1494794242161614858?s=21
YES with another hire, big fan of this one too.
View: https://twitter.com/jackcurryyes/status/1494859608074211330?s=21
View: https://twitter.com/jackcurryyes/status/1494859608074211330?s=21
Rumors on Reddit and Twitter that NY has added Hensley Meulens to the coaching staff, presumably to replace Eric Chavez.
Maybe it’s just my wishful thinking but it sure seems like Cashman is loading up on potential in-house Boone replacements if needed (Rojas, Meulens, Beltran in the YES booth).
Maybe it’s just my wishful thinking but it sure seems like Cashman is loading up on potential in-house Boone replacements if needed (Rojas, Meulens, Beltran in the YES booth).
View: https://twitter.com/jonheyman/status/1501601444310433794?s=21
I like them sniffing around Rodon.
I like them sniffing around Rodon.
C-Gary Sanchez
1B-Anthony Rizzo
2B-Gleyber Torres
SS-Gio Urshela
3B-DJ LeMahieu
LF-Joey Gallo
CF-Aaron Hicks
RF-Aaron Judge
DH-Giancarlo Stanton
Bench: Kyle Higashioka, Luke Voit, Ender Inciarte (or the return of Gardner yet again, ugh), Cabrera or Peraza
This allows them to keep all of Florial, Cabrera or Peraza and Andujar in AAA for depth if not traded, all are on the 40 man already.
Also the backup plan for Hicks is already there if/when needed, Judge and Inciarte (and Gallo, and Florial) can all play center and Stanton should play OF a bunch no matter what and give Voit those DH ABs.
1B-Anthony Rizzo
2B-Gleyber Torres
SS-Gio Urshela
3B-DJ LeMahieu
LF-Joey Gallo
CF-Aaron Hicks
RF-Aaron Judge
DH-Giancarlo Stanton
Bench: Kyle Higashioka, Luke Voit, Ender Inciarte (or the return of Gardner yet again, ugh), Cabrera or Peraza
This allows them to keep all of Florial, Cabrera or Peraza and Andujar in AAA for depth if not traded, all are on the 40 man already.
Also the backup plan for Hicks is already there if/when needed, Judge and Inciarte (and Gallo, and Florial) can all play center and Stanton should play OF a bunch no matter what and give Voit those DH ABs.
And a potentially fantastic pitching staff:
Rotation: Cole, Rodon, Montgomery, Taillon, Severino
Bullpen: Cortes or German, Abreu, Luetge, Rodriguez, Holmes, Green, Loaisiga, Chapman
AAA SPs on the 40 man: Cortes or German (both have options), Schmidt, Gil, Medina, Deivi
AAA relievers on the 40 man: Sears, Peralta, King, Ridings, Marinaccio
They should probably trade the last year of Green's deal if they can get something good.
Rotation: Cole, Rodon, Montgomery, Taillon, Severino
Bullpen: Cortes or German, Abreu, Luetge, Rodriguez, Holmes, Green, Loaisiga, Chapman
AAA SPs on the 40 man: Cortes or German (both have options), Schmidt, Gil, Medina, Deivi
AAA relievers on the 40 man: Sears, Peralta, King, Ridings, Marinaccio
They should probably trade the last year of Green's deal if they can get something good.
Also all Boras clients, we really should probably never quote Heyman on this site.
Rule 5 draft finally officially cancelled, which helps NY who have had the most guys taken by far in recent years. Brandon Lockridge sticking around helps their OF depth (.939 OPS in AA last year), Breaux and Chaparro and Anthony Garcia all stay put with another year to develop. Matt Krook and Greg Weissert are MLB pitching depth options this season that also stay in place, Matt Sauer gets a year to maybe be healthy, happy about this.
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Firstbase def seems to be a priority.
Firstbase def seems to be a priority.
It won’t be banned this year. It can be banned by the owners next year with 45 days notice to the players.
Who are you offering for Olson? If the deal can be Gleyber and/or Voit plus some secondary prospects, ok, but NY moved a lot of prospects in deals last year (Taillon, Rizzo, Gallo) and don’t have the excess they did then. Peraza is the best defensive SS on the 40 man currently, seems dumb to me to send him away for two years of Olson.
If a deal couldn't be built around Voit and Gleyber last season, I doubt it is going to happen now. I don't think the Yankees match up with what Oakland really wants and I'd rather they move on than give up top prospects.
Freeman would be great if he's really willing to come to NY and isn't just trying to get Atlanta to up their offer a bit more. Rizzo is a fine backup option.
And if those two don't work out for whatever reason? Fine, put Voit/DJ back out there if they must. Maybe both of them will stay healthy.
Freeman would be great if he's really willing to come to NY and isn't just trying to get Atlanta to up their offer a bit more. Rizzo is a fine backup option.
And if those two don't work out for whatever reason? Fine, put Voit/DJ back out there if they must. Maybe both of them will stay healthy.
We don't know how the top tier prospects will turn out, but if one or more of them turns into good major league talent, those contracts will allow the Yankees to spend big of top-tier free agents as needed too. I'd rather the Yankees roll with that.
Definitely agree with the final phrase there, but when did NY try to move Voit and Gleyber to OAK for Olson last year? I don't think Olson or maybe Gleyber were actually on the market then, and Voit had health question marks around the deadline. I do agree that if OAK doesn't want Gleyber as the primary piece in return, that it's not a match.
So we read a lot of criticism of Hal for not spending like Steve Cohen, but those critics never seem to factor in/mention/know/understand about how going over set CBT levels might affect NY's ability to sign the top international prospects that NY has been signing the past four years. Now that there is definitely no int'l draft until 2024, NY should sign their third #1 overall international prospect in four years in January 2023 (after Dominguez and Arias), Cuban CF Brandon Mayea. I have no idea why this interaction is legal but nice to see anyway:
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I am not sure at what cap level NY would lose international money in the new CBT and if losing that could cost them Mayea, although that picture seems hopefully definitive. I think the int'l money penalty was definitely a factor for NY to stay under in 2021 to make sure they landed the long connected and much in-demand Arias. Someone should ask Cashman directly at some point if the upcoming Mayea commitment (it is an open secret as these always are) impacts his spending decisions in the next few weeks. Cashman is assembling potentially a pretty fun position player core around maybe the 2026-27 window (those three plus Volpe and Everson Pereira, all 16-21 now, three CFs and 2 SSs currently), assuming the world has not blown up. Hopefully they can maintain that core while giving the current 'go for it' edition some reinforcements (Freddie, Freddie, Freddie).
While it is still a possibility, humor me, a 2-5 (1-4?) of:
Aaron Judge (R)
Freddie Freeman (L)
Giancarlo Stanton (R)
Joey Gallo (L)
Judge and Gallo are in the last year of their deals and it's hard to see both back if they actually signed Freeman, but please let me watch that for one season. Thanks in advance, Brian.
View: https://twitter.com/elijfishman/status/1501646417147932741
I am not sure at what cap level NY would lose international money in the new CBT and if losing that could cost them Mayea, although that picture seems hopefully definitive. I think the int'l money penalty was definitely a factor for NY to stay under in 2021 to make sure they landed the long connected and much in-demand Arias. Someone should ask Cashman directly at some point if the upcoming Mayea commitment (it is an open secret as these always are) impacts his spending decisions in the next few weeks. Cashman is assembling potentially a pretty fun position player core around maybe the 2026-27 window (those three plus Volpe and Everson Pereira, all 16-21 now, three CFs and 2 SSs currently), assuming the world has not blown up. Hopefully they can maintain that core while giving the current 'go for it' edition some reinforcements (Freddie, Freddie, Freddie).
While it is still a possibility, humor me, a 2-5 (1-4?) of:
Aaron Judge (R)
Freddie Freeman (L)
Giancarlo Stanton (R)
Joey Gallo (L)
Judge and Gallo are in the last year of their deals and it's hard to see both back if they actually signed Freeman, but please let me watch that for one season. Thanks in advance, Brian.
Yeah, you're probably right. Just an assumption on my part that they would have been looking at it and done it if they could before they traded for Rizzo.
Nah. You told Cashman to move him for Marte, so I'm sure he was at least considering it.
I think we were all read for Peraza to take over at SS before the trade deadline.
That's another aspect, any infielder NY adds, you would think it means one has to go. Voit to me is a great bench bat/backup 1B and a secondary DH when Stanton plays the OF. LeMahieu's deal is untradeable (and he has a literal no-trade for this year) and he is way better at 2B than 3B or 1B, Gio is their best defensive 3B and SS currently (not counting Peraza and maybe Cabrera), Gleyber is the odd man out and with a lot of value with three years left on his deal. Maybe part of a Luis Castillo swap?
Gio 3B
new guy or Peraza at SS
DJ at 2B
new guy at 1B
Voit on the bench but on the team.
Gio 3B
new guy or Peraza at SS
DJ at 2B
new guy at 1B
Voit on the bench but on the team.
From your keyboard to Cashman's screen. I would love to see Gleyber moved for a quality piece that fits better. But I'm worried that his value after last season took too much of a hit to bring back the kind of quality they need and I hate the idea of potentially selling low.
This is what I think we'll get:
Gio at 3B
New guy or Peraza at SS
Gleyber at 2B
New guy at 1B
Voit traded.
DJ back to a utility role but still playing most of the time between 1B, 2B, 3B, and DH. If so, I'm hoping that he looks a little better at 3B after recovering from that hernia.
This is what I think we'll get:
Gio at 3B
New guy or Peraza at SS
Gleyber at 2B
New guy at 1B
Voit traded.
DJ back to a utility role but still playing most of the time between 1B, 2B, 3B, and DH. If so, I'm hoping that he looks a little better at 3B after recovering from that hernia.
The one domino from the negotiations is that prior to the new CBA, the Yankees had no real choice but to go over the luxury tax threshold if they wanted to improve. Now they are safely under it and Hal could try and get cute by staying under once again. I would not be shocked to see it, but when we talk about Voit and Gleyber, that’s around $10-15m off the books if we were to trade them. Suppose you do that plus Freeman and you have a chance to be under $230?
Cot's has them just under $223M currently with Gleyber and Voit each at $5M exactly, so not possible.
It's also not clear what the advantage of staying under for consecutive years is really, you reset the tax as a top spending team so that you can go over the next year or two at least. NY has a lot of FAs after 2022 as of now (Judge, Sanchez, Chapman, Britton, Gallo, Taillon, Green, about $73M combined) so this is a go for it year as much as there has been one for NY in a while.
Hope he's alright. Always bothers me when a player who bursts onto the scene fades into nothingness and he's on the verge of doing that unless he gets traded or released.
He is supposedly OK and reporting to camp in Tampa tomorrow, but I agree that there is no future for him in NY and it's even pretty surprising to me that he is still on the 40 man.
So Mike Axisa took a shot at explaining the new CBA tax levels in his RAB Patreon today, and I think that NY wouldn't lose international money unless they go over $270M, Cots has them around $223M currently.
Correa 35
Rizzo 12 (a 2/24 deal also gets him for 2023 when he should benefit more than maybe anyone from no shifts)
Trading Voit and Green would cut about $9M, so that would have them around $261M with all of their prospects intact for now, plus whatever they could get for Voit (3 years)/Green (1 year).
Correa 35
Rizzo 12 (a 2/24 deal also gets him for 2023 when he should benefit more than maybe anyone from no shifts)
Trading Voit and Green would cut about $9M, so that would have them around $261M with all of their prospects intact for now, plus whatever they could get for Voit (3 years)/Green (1 year).
The stopgap shortstop options have mostly come off the board, Simmons and Iglesias signing as FAs, Kiner-Falefa being traded to MIN. Correa and Story still out there obv, DeJong as a possible trade candidate, but the list is getting shorter. Again, NY could go with their season-ending alignment (DJ at 3B, Gio at SS, Gleyber at 2B) and hope that Peraza will push his way in pretty quickly, but I have a feeling big moves are coming.
Blockbuster to the A's for Olson/Manaea then signing Correa? That would be very un-Cashman like in its aggressiveness, but if any year is the time for that for NY, it is this one.
Blockbuster to the A's for Olson/Manaea then signing Correa? That would be very un-Cashman like in its aggressiveness, but if any year is the time for that for NY, it is this one.
I guess if they're really going to sign Correa, might as well trade all the SS prospects
Edit: Of course I still trust Cashman, whatever he does with this. But I do hope they find a way to keep Volpe at least.
Edit: Of course I still trust Cashman, whatever he does with this. But I do hope they find a way to keep Volpe at least.
Volpe and Arias are probably untouchable but Peraza and/or Sweeney/Vargas are possible. NY has a lot of tempting young pitching too.I guess if they're really going to sign Correa, might as well trade all the SS prospects