The Warriors bench got ran off the court tonight. Tyus Jones ran circles around their second unit.The man literally said the bench runs them.
The Warriors bench got ran off the court tonight. Tyus Jones ran circles around their second unit.The man literally said the bench runs them.
Im not saying he made a good point.The Warriors bench got ran off the court tonight. Tyus Jones ran circles around their second unit.
Okay, I made a bad point. But, I've watched a few Warriors games and the bench, appears to me, to run good ball movement sets. The starters especially, so. You may all watch more of their games.Lol. Fair enough.
Pshhtt. Here's a dirty secret. Everyone is talking out of their ass here.Okay, I made a bad point. But, I've watched a few Warriors games and the bench, appears to me, to run good ball movement sets. The starters especially, so. You may all watch more of their games.
In general, they're a fun team to watch.
If I can't make a bad point on an anonymous Celtics forum, where can I? LOL
This is my favorite spot on the internet. Let's put this behind us.
Go C's!
That the Warriors run a clear and consistent offensive scheme is not a bad point—-it’s inarguably true. That is true of both the starters and the bench.Okay, I made a bad point. But, I've watched a few Warriors games and the bench, appears to me, to run good ball movement sets. The starters especially, so. You may all watch more of their games.
In general, they're a fun team to watch.
If I can't make a bad point on an anonymous Celtics forum, where can I? LOL
This is my favorite spot on the internet. Let's put this behind us.
Go C's!
What PKB said. Aside from that, it is a tight balance between what is serious, playful and a combination when communicating in a forum such as this. Sometimes we get in “heated” discussions but many times it’s with posters who have been here or on other Celtics boards for 20 years so we “know”’ each other and recognize when comments are made in fun/jest (which again doesn’t always translate well) and keeping things light. Sorry for the mixup.Okay, I made a bad point. But, I've watched a few Warriors games and the bench, appears to me, to run good ball movement sets. The starters especially, so. You may all watch more of their games.
In general, they're a fun team to watch.
If I can't make a bad point on an anonymous Celtics forum, where can I? LOL
This is my favorite spot on the internet. Let's put this behind us.
Go C's!
If the question is does Steve Kerr have a better scheme/approach than Ime Udoka, I think we all know the answer to that.That the Warriors run a clear and consistent offensive scheme is not a bad point—-it’s inarguably true. That is true of both the starters and the bench.
whats tricky—and some here conflate these two things—is that scheme is usually necessary to have a great offense but not sufficient. You can’t win in the nba without top tier talent—it’s not the NCAA and Princeton’s offense even with perfect execution won’t score without individual talent. So, sure, if Steph goes 4-20 Warriors struggle….and sure, even a good scheme won’t score a lot of points with mediocre players. But that is different than scheme not mattering.
The reverse of that—-talent without a scheme—occasionally is enough if you have Nets level offensive talent. I gave other examples in a different thread. But usually, as with Warriors, great offenses have both scheme and talent to make it work optionally. And the critique many of us have made of Celtics is they don’t yet show and execute a scheme and their talent is less than you’d need to get away with that.
I get some folks here focus just on the individual talent part of that, and I think there’s more to it.
Oh of course nobody is doubting that and it is much easier for backups to fit in WITH Curry and Draymond as they move the ball so well. I don’t agree that it works very well without Curry in the lineup as the league-high TO/rate isn’t offset by what Curry brings offensively. What does some of the non-Curry data look like?If the question is does Steve Kerr have a better scheme than Ime Udoka, I think we all know the answer to that.
I get that this is one of your daily talking points, but 33 year old Curry played 39 minutes last night. J's played less than that last game before OT. Jaylen is averaging .4 minutes a game more than last year, Tatum .9. Horford's minutes are down significantly lately. Really only RWIII is playing significantly more minutes.The Warriors/Grizz play with dizzying pace (hello Curry/Ja), energy & movement. This is what dynamic All-NBA PGs can do for you. It contrasts sharply with what we see from the Celtics on a nightly basis. It's really been a problem for the C's since Jan'20 when Kemba's knee gave out. Brad is probably going to have to overpay with draft picks, young players, etc to get that dynamic ballhandler. The JAYs playing the role of lead initiators/distributors instead of attackers isn't getting the most out of them.
Also of note, while talking about bench play from that W/Grizz game. Look at how many minutes and # of players each team rolled out. 10-12 men on each side played. Two players on each side went over 30minutes. That also helps with a team's ability to play with energy & pace. IME needs to take notes, he's already worn Horford down to dust. 40mins+++ from TL/Brown/Tatum against a bunch of 2nd stringers on the Pacers is nutz. The meat of the game was the perfect time to roll out more bench. IME's I'm playing the men I can trust, is a load of crap.
AND before anyone cries CELTIC BENCH WOES, Boston has Schroder, JRich, Grant, Romeo, Enes coming off the bench. They are more than capable.
It works both ways though. In general, if you’re employing a faster pace you are going to be using more of your bench. All minutes are not created equally. 32 min can be more exertful/stressful than 40 min depending on other factors…..not too dissimilar than a baseball pitcher who throws 90 pitches than can be more stressful than when he throws 115 depending on compensating factors (pace, scheduling, etc). It isn’t about the minutes it is about how the minutes are used just as it is with a pitcher.The Warriors/Grizz play with dizzying pace (hello Curry/Ja), energy & movement. This is what dynamic All-NBA PGs can do for you. It contrasts sharply with what we see from the Celtics on a nightly basis. It's really been a problem for the C's since Jan'20 when Kemba's knee gave out. Brad is probably going to have to overpay with draft picks, young players, etc to get that dynamic ballhandler. The JAYs playing the role of lead initiators/distributors instead of attackers isn't getting the most out of them.
Also of note, while talking about bench play from that W/Grizz game. Look at how many minutes and # of players each team rolled out. 10-12 men on each side played. Two players on each side went over 30minutes. That also helps with a team's ability to play with energy & pace. IME needs to take notes, he's already worn Horford down to dust. 40mins+++ from TL/Brown/Tatum against a bunch of 2nd stringers on the Pacers is nutz. The meat of the game was the perfect time to roll out more bench. IME's I'm playing the men I can trust, is a load of crap.
AND before anyone cries CELTIC BENCH WOES, Boston has Schroder, JRich, Grant, Romeo, Enes coming off the bench. They are more than capable.
I hope no one was arguing that it works as well without Curry---that is definitely not true. What I think several of us have been noting is related to your first point---part of the benefit of a system all the players understand and execute is it simplifies things for the non-stars, and also a well-designed system helps emphasize the strenghts and benefits brought by the stars.Oh of course nobody is doubting that and it is much easier for backups to fit in WITH Curry and Draymond as they move the ball so well. I don’t agree that it works very well without Curry in the lineup as the league-high TO/rate isn’t offset by what Curry brings offensively. What does some of the non-Curry data look like?
Would Celtics fans prefer Kerr/Tatum or Ime/Curry? Unless the latter is outrageously stubborn I’m guessing our offense would look quite different with Curry opposed to Smart.
Horford playing more minutes than he did 3 seasons ago under Brad (when this team was relevant) is malpractice.I get that this is one of your daily talking points, but 33 year old Curry played 39 minutes last night. J's played less than that last game before OT. Jaylen is averaging .4 minutes a game more than last year, Tatum .9. Horford's minutes are down significantly lately. Really only RWIII is playing significantly more minutes.
I'd agree that distributing the minutes a little better would probably help, but it's just not that extreme.
Yea IME should play more bench. That would help with energy/pace.It works both ways though. If you’re employing a faster pace you are going to be using more of your bench. All minutes are not created equally. 32 min can be more exertful/stressful than 40 min depending on other factors…..not too dissimilar than a baseball pitcher who throws 90 pitches than can be more stressful than when he throws 115 depending on compensating factors. It isn’t about the minutes it is about how the minutes are used just as it is with a pitcher.
Does Ime really want to play with more pace though? His lineups don’t suggest that he does which wouldn’t require as deep a rotation. Over the last 10 games only the Knicks have played at a slower pace than Boston.Yea IME should play more bench. That would help with energy/pace.
He's taken THIBZing players to a new level.
Good pointDoes Ime really want to play with more pace though? His lineups don’t suggest that he does which wouldn’t require as deep a rotation. Over the last 10 games only the Knicks have played at a slower pace than Boston. I feel this is his philosophy and he isn’t changing anytime soon.
I began forming mine after one of his first pressers when he said Smart was his PG and Horford is looking at a starting spot. How do you tell your fanbase that you are going to plod without explicitly saying you are going to plod? The forming continued when he played TL 45 min in the opener (even without OT it was a career high for him). You don’t need a sample size when he literally tells you what he’s going to do. This is who he wants to be.Good point
I'm forming an opinion on IME's approach to lineups and offense after half a season
The entire Kyrie saga and what Covid looks like in May is going to make for quite the drama.The Nets at full strength are kind of scary.
And they're still missing Joe Harris, who'll be back soon.The Nets at full strength are kind of scary.
You can fit young players around 3 or the best players in the game. See: Perk, Rondo, Powe, Baby. We don’t have that luxury.Nets at full strength. Yet we see them start/play two rookies Kessler Edwards (29mins) & Day'Ron Sharpe (22mins) in what some would describe as an impt regular season match-up. Take notes IME
Which is also one of the reasons that much as I like them, if Smart and/or TL can be part of a package to get you an elite player you don't think twice. The highest probability way for this team to contend is to add a 3rd star to Tatum and Brown (and of course for them to improve). Depth is overrated in the NBA, you can always find depth if you have stars, but depth won't win consistently against stars.You can fit young players around 3 or the best players in the game. See: Perk, Rondo, Powe, Baby. We don’t have that luxury.
Nets have won many games without Durant and Kyrie. It isn’t THAT difficult to envision Harden and Co. beating OKC tonight is it?Enjoying watching the Thunder dismantle the Nets. Yes, the Nets are resting Durant and Mills, but if they were planning to throw in the towel, I'm not sure why Harden is out there.
GS outscores the Bucks by 20 in the second half and still loses by 19. Don't see that every day.Very hard to believe but the Bucks are up 39 at the half over GS, and the great Steph Curry has +/- of -34!
Edit: Sorry jon, missed your post on the same
Maybe, but Brooklyn had played four games in five nights. Plus, the Thunder are feisty and excel in playing close games that they lose, which is good for entertainment value and tanking.Nets have won many games without Durant and Kyrie. It isn’t THAT difficult to envision Harden and Co. beating OKC tonight is it?
Bulls allowed 138 in back to back games. I feel quite certain that will not continue tomorrow.Somebody call the National Guard. The Warriors are killing the Bulls.
Caruso for MVP?Bulls allowed 138 in back to back games. I feel quite certain that will not continue tomorrow.
Yeah, a looooooong ways to go for all these guys. All have shown flashes of intriguing skills. The only two on the list who I would be mildly concerned about this early on (were I a fan of their teams) are Mitchell and Suggs. Basically, “overrated by March Madness” strikes again. And look how Baylor and Gonzaga have tanked in their absences!Not exactly fair to compare him to the rest with a rate state considering the total minutes played (315 minutes for Kuminga which is the fewest by far of anyone on that list, the other 9 are averaging 982 minutes with Williams the second fewest at 502), but he is off to a nice start.