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Without Davis the Lakers are just an incredible travesty on defense. It's crazy because they were a top, top defensive team these last few years.
 

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Without Davis the Lakers are just an incredible travesty on defense. It's crazy because they were a top, top defensive team these last few years.

Alex Caruso’s not walking through that door
 

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Curry, Green, Igoudala and Porter out tonite vs. Toronto for various non-COVID reasons, including rest for Curry.

Timing is everything in life, isn't it?
 

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Curry, Green, Igoudala and Porter out tonite vs. Toronto for various non-COVID reasons, including rest for Curry.

Timing is everything in life, isn't it?
Curious if they are travelling with the team or not. This could be due to fear of a Toronto 10-day quarantine, especially for a star. If that becomes a thing, Toronto may have a unique experience of home games being against teams at less than full strength - even more so than we are seeing league-wide.
 

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Curious if they are travelling with the team or not. This could be due to fear of a Toronto 10-day quarantine, especially for a star. If that becomes a thing, Toronto may have a unique experience of home games being against teams at less than full strength - even more so than we are seeing league-wide.
Not traveling — all four headed straight back to the Bay Area, along with Wiggins (so-called “knee soreness”) and Poole (covid protocols).

Pretty much a guaranteed loss for the Ws, though should be fun to see Kuminga and Moody get some real run.
 

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Jonathan Kuminga's first real NBA minutes: 26 points on 9-15 fga.

Just turned 19 two months ago.

Scottie Barnes is a stud, too.
 

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Prior to tonight, Cade's last 7 games: .480/.500/.778, 22.1 points, 5.6 rebounds, 4.0 assists, 1.7 steals, 1.0 blocks, 4.4 TO.

Tonight, he was 8/19, 3/9, 2/2, 21 points, 11 assists, 7 rebounds, 2 steals, 1 block, 3 TO. Pretty sure he's going to be ok.
 

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Prior to tonight, Cade's last 7 games: .480/.500/.778, 22.1 points, 5.6 rebounds, 4.0 assists, 1.7 steals, 1.0 blocks, 4.4 TO.

Tonight, he was 8/19, 3/9, 2/2, 21 points, 11 assists, 7 rebounds, 2 steals, 1 block, 3 TO. Pretty sure he's going to be ok.
Stud. The game is already slowing down for him and it’s showing in his 3-pt shooting…….nearly 50% behind the arc (18-39) in December.
 

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The Pistons are really wretched. Imagine if they land Banchero?
 

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Jonathan Kuminga's first real NBA minutes: 26 points on 9-15 fga.

Just turned 19 two months ago.

Scottie Barnes is a stud, too.
I’m fascinated to see whether Warriors can pull off the now and later plan. Wiseman still has hope and with Kuminga you’ve got a shot at a Spurs-style reload.

I’m not sure the odds are with that relative to cashing those chips in now, but it’s interesting to watch
 

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I’m fascinated to see whether Warriors can pull off the now and later plan. Wiseman still has hope and with Kuminga you’ve got a shot at a Spurs-style reload.

I’m not sure the odds are with that relative to cashing those chips in now, but it’s interesting to watch
Part if the reason they can potentially play the game is because they really don't have much in the way if needs. Sure maybe they could use an upgrade at the 5 spot, but we'll see if Wiseman can be that guy.

Obviously a lot depends on what Klay is when he return?
 

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Part if the reason they can potentially play the game is because they really don't have much in the way if needs. Sure maybe they could use an upgrade at the 5 spot, but we'll see if Wiseman can be that guy.

Obviously a lot depends on what Klay is when he return?
Sabonis would be a nice fit for GSW

Wiseman/Moody/Looney gets it done $ wise
 

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What a finish. Batum made no effort to contest that shot.
What was the deal with that? To the naked eye looked like he was playing it as if it was a last second shot with one of the teams up by an ample margin. Maybe it was just that SGA got him so far off balance with his feint and wasn't a matter of poor effort/focus? Would like to think so....

SGA really is so good, though.
 

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I’m fascinated to see whether Warriors can pull off the now and later plan. Wiseman still has hope and with Kuminga you’ve got a shot at a Spurs-style reload.

I’m not sure the odds are with that relative to cashing those chips in now, but it’s interesting to watch
Depending on which players come available, I think the odds are with both Kuminga and Wiseman sticking around. Beyond the fact that keeping and developing your young blue-chip prospects tends to be a good way to build a winning franchise (viz. holding onto Steph, Klay, and Dray when everyone wanted them shipped for Amare, or Love, or Deron Williams or whoever), I think Lacob has a lot of his “light years” ego bound up in their succeeding with the Warriors.

Beyond the ancient history with Amare, Love, et al: as recently as this off-season, people were ripping Bob Myers for not stapling *both* Kuminga and Wiseman to Wiggins (26 y.o. 6-8 athletic freak putting up .594 TS while guarding the other team’s best player 1-4) in exchange for Bradley Beal, a deal that now looks bad for the Warriors even without the two blue chips thrown in.
 

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Coby White with a bucket! Everyone in Chicago must be thrilled with the Bulls resurgence, except for Coby & his agent.

He started 54 of 69 games played last season (31.2mpg / 15.1ppg / 4.8apg) while averaging 12.5 shots/gm his first 2 seasons.

Now he's backing up the Lonz and the Caru-SHOW (both signed long term), taking 7 shots/gm (18mpg / 6ppg / 1.4apg) while watching DeMar, LaVine, Vucevic being the center of the offense.

His BPM wasn't all that impressive his first 2 seasons (-2.8, -2.6), so don't blame Arturas shrewdly upgrading the ballhandling position.

Getting paid will be tough for Coby in his current situation.
 

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Coby White with a bucket! Everyone in Chicago must be thrilled with the Bulls resurgence, except for Coby & his agent.

He started 54 of 69 games played last season (31.2mpg / 15.1ppg / 4.8apg) while averaging 12.5 shots/gm his first 2 seasons.

Now he's backing up the Lonz and the Caru-SHOW (both signed long term), taking 7 shots/gm (18mpg / 6ppg / 1.4apg) while watching DeMar, LaVine, Vucevic being the center of the offense.

His BPM wasn't all that impressive his first 2 seasons (-2.8, -2.6), so don't blame Arturas shrewdly upgrading the ballhandling position.

Getting paid will be tough for Coby in his current situation.
People said the same about Terry Rozier remember? If Coby doesn’t get paid it will be because he hasn’t shown the ability to be a big-time scorer in this league as Rozier had shown. I hadn’t watched the Bulls much so I don’t have an opinion on him right now.
 

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People said the same about Terry Rozier remember? If Coby doesn’t get paid it will be because he hasn’t shown the ability to be a big-time scorer in this league as Rozier had shown. I hadn’t watched the Bulls much so I don’t have an opinion on him right now.
how can we forget? MJ & Mitch Kupchak laughed out loud as they watched Danny overpay for Kemba and hand over Terry

Rozier deal was unique for many reasons, I wouldn't use it as the standard in the COVID RFA/cap era

I figure you'd appreciate the Coby situation since you always talk about the behind the scenes maneuvers of Agents with NBA GMs
 

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how can we forget? MJ & Mitch Kupchak laughed out loud as they watched Danny overpay for Kemba and hand over Terry

Rozier deal was unique for many reasons, I wouldn't use it as the standard in the COVID RFA/cap era

I figure you'd appreciate the Coby situation since you always talk about the behind the scenes maneuvers of Agents with NBA GMs
Yes I probably would I just don’t have a good read on White as I have with others.
 

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Ja is back. I have a feeling we are going to be talking about how good Memphis is later this season. Kinda crazy we all thought the Memphis pick would be and where we are now.
 

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Ja is back. I have a feeling we are going to be talking about how good Memphis is later this season. Kinda crazy we all thought the Memphis pick would be and where we are now.
Memphis on verge of losing at home to OKC tonite. Giddey is an impressive rookie.
 

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So much of what’s great about the ‘21-22 Warriors in one 20-second clip, from Klay quietly observing and thinking “sooon” … to the savvy D by Dray and Steph (Dray swiping but not overhelping off the corner cos he knew Steph and Otto Porter could handle HB’s drive) … to the Steph steal … to Dray pushing and surveying the floor … to the crazy ball and body movement on O with Steph’s gravity wreaking havoc … to Old Man Andre’s gorgeous behind-the-back touch pass for the OPJ finish.

With the added bonus of Luniz’ classic (and fitting) “I Got 5 On It” on the Chase Center soundtrack…

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=23&v=pmBji-VL3aM&feature=emb_logo
 
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So much of what’s great about the ‘21-22 Warriors in one 20-second clip, from Klay quietly observing and thinking “sooon” … to the savvy D by Dray and Steph (Dray swiping but not overhelping off the corner cos he knew Steph and Otto Porter could handle HB’s drive) … to the Steph steal … to Dray pushing and surveying the floor; to the crazy ball and body movement on O with Steph’s gravity wreaking havoc … to Old Man Andre’s gorgeous behind-the-back touch pass for the OPJ finish. With “I got 5 on it” as soundtrack…
I have my doubts on Thompson but if he's fully back, that team is going to be filthy. I started buying more into Poole on his 2nd stretch of good games last year. Young players often go on a really good run for 5-20 games just to regress back to a pumpkin. Bad stretches aren't a problem, as long as other good stretches happens. Poole has now had multiple stretches where he looks like a world beater and is still 22 the rest of the NBA season. Once he develops some consistency, he's going to be a lot better than your Jordan Clarkson comp. Of course, I'm not the biggest Clarkson fan and you are probably trying to dial it down some. Last year, you were being a bit of a homer, but you can be giddy about Poole now. He is 12 days younger right now than Clarkson was in his rookie year, too.

Poole's advanced % stats haven't improved much this year, but they have improved. That's while playing 10 more minutes a game. That's a big deal. Young players (further away from 25 the better) who hold steady with an increase in minutes often have their advanced % stats improve the following year. Most players who get an increase in minutes see a decrease in production (TL). I don't think HRB's claim of "Top 50 player" earlier this year is accurate, but in another year or two it might be. It really depends on his 3 point shot, but even in the .330-.350 range, his TS has been .580+. He gets to the line and is a very good to elite FT shooter. 73% of his shots are either from 0-3ft or 3 pointers and he's not a black hole. Poole is basically made to be effective.

I have no opinion of Kuminga/Moody. I thought Wiseman was very promising last year. I'm not 100% sold on him but it's more because I'm waiting to see him on the court this year. If he shows any growth/development, I'm in. I expect that to happen but there's room for doubt. I'm sold on Poole being a 2nd banana type barring catastrophic injury. I don't know the Warriors long term plans but to transition for Curry/KT to Poole/Wiseman is something else, assuming Wiseman works out.

It's where we wanted the C's to be. Transitioning from Hayward and Kyrie to Tatum and Brown. That is exactly what happened, it was just expedited.
 

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DeAaron Fox has missed the last 3 games.

In those 3 games, Tyrese averaged 38.7 minutes, 24.0 points, 10.7 assists, 4.7 rebounds, 1.7 steals on .547/.571/.857. 29/53 from the field, 8/14 from 3. He had 10, 11, and 11 assists.

They really should move one of them.
 

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DeAaron Fox has missed the last 3 games.

In those 3 games, Tyrese averaged 38.7 minutes, 24.0 points, 10.7 assists, 4.7 rebounds, 1.7 steals on .547/.571/.857. 29/53 from the field, 8/14 from 3. He had 10, 11, and 11 assists.

They really should move one of them.
Fox. But I’m not sure anyone wants him on that contract.
 

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And another Cade update. Since 11/30: 9 games, .473/.456/.800, 34.7 mpg 20.0 points, 5.4 rebounds, 5.4 assists, 1.8 steals, 0.9 blocks, 4.2 TO. His last game was an interesting one. 31 minutes, 2/4, 0/2 from 3. 4 points, 10 assists, 3 rebounds, 2 steals, 4 TO, 6 PF. In those 9 games, 26/57 from 3.

For the year, .391/.317/.840. 15.6 points, 6.0 rebounds, 5.1 assists, 1.5 steals.
Ignoring his first 3 games: .417/.356/816, 16.6 points, 6.3 rebounds, 5.3 assists, 1.6 steals. 52/146 from 3.

Fox. But I’m not sure anyone wants him on that contract.
Maybe not for any value. I think his contract would be pretty easy to move though. Philly comes to mind but I wouldn't be shocked if they preferred Maxey. Looking around, maybe it wouldn't be so easy. PGs who can't shoot aren't exactly in right now, and finding a SG who can put up 20 a night on crappy efficiency isn't that hard to do.

With that said, if we could get him for Al Horford, I'd be for it. Or even Smart and TL... which actually makes a lot of sense for the Kings. Especially if they are trying to win now and not necessarily at the expense of the future. The added D of Smart and TL would be a huge shot in the arm and they'd have them both for 4 years.

It makes some sense for the C's if you think Fox is a top 40 player having an off year. The salaries match up with Fox really well for the next 4 years after this one. . For this year, you'd have to add in Hernangomez and maybe Parker to make the math work. After the 22/23 season, they would only have Tatum, Brown and Fox on the books at $100 million with options for Nesmith and PP. They'd have their 21/22 and 22/23 picks on the team and some room to keep one of or a few of JRich, RL and GW.

Right now they only have 4 on the books for 22/23. Tatum, Brown, Smart and TL making about $93 million. With Fox, you have to commit to letting him walk after his contract is up. Otherwise it's Kemba all over again. For the next 4 years, he should fine. The hope would be he becomes a passable 3 point shooter.

And yeah, the Kings should definitely keep Haliburton. I was the one suggesting to trade Jaylen for him and Barnes, with the idea that Haliburton becomes the C's 2nd star.
 

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DeAaron Fox has missed the last 3 games.

In those 3 games, Tyrese averaged 38.7 minutes, 24.0 points, 10.7 assists, 4.7 rebounds, 1.7 steals on .547/.571/.857. 29/53 from the field, 8/14 from 3. He had 10, 11, and 11 assists.

They really should move one of them.
The rumor has been that Philly wanted him for Simmons, but the Kings refused (partly because he "likes" Sac...as if that should matter). Makes zero sense to me -- he's a fave player of mine, actually, a lot of fun to watch. But he's not a top 25 player by a long shot.
 

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Saddiq Bey has come back to earth as a shooter this season. He was 3 for 13 on 3-pointers last nite and is shooting 31 percent from long range overall.
 

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Jokic has got to have one of the worst supporting casts a Top 5 NBA Player/Reigning MVP has ever had. These are the Nuggets top ten players in total minutes this season.

1. Aaron Gordon
2. Monte Morris
3.Will Barton
4. Nikola Jokic
5. Jeff Green
6. Facundo Campazzo
7. JaMychal Green
8. Austin Rivers
9. Bones Hyland
10. PJ Dozier
 

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Jokic has got to have one of the worst supporting casts a Top 5 NBA Player/Reigning MVP has ever had. These are the Nuggets top ten players in total minutes this season.

1. Aaron Gordon
2. Monte Morris
3.Will Barton
4. Nikola Jokic
5. Jeff Green
6. Facundo Campazzo
7. JaMychal Green
8. Austin Rivers
9. Bones Hyland
10. PJ Dozier
Murray’s injury kills them. Oscar had some bad ones back in the day as did Kobe’s in that year or two after Shaq left…..that was brutal.
 

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Jokic has got to have one of the worst supporting casts a Top 5 NBA Player/Reigning MVP has ever had. These are the Nuggets top ten players in total minutes this season.

1. Aaron Gordon
2. Monte Morris
3.Will Barton
4. Nikola Jokic
5. Jeff Green
6. Facundo Campazzo
7. JaMychal Green
8. Austin Rivers
9. Bones Hyland
10. PJ Dozier
I won't argue that that's not a brutal group, but they are in a tough spot with their 2nd and 3rd best players (Murray and Porter) out for the year. There aren't a whole lot of teams that will look competent when that happens, especially when the missing players are owed nearly $300M combined in guaranteed money.
 

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Steph with 46 pts on 22 fga to end a mini-slump by his standards.

Gritty, back-and-forth 113-104 win for the Ws (sans Poole, Wiggins, Iguodala, DLee, Klay, Wiseman) over a fairly beastly Grizzlies squad.
 

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Steph with 46 pts on 22 fga to end a mini-slump by his standards.

Gritty, back-and-forth 113-104 win for the Ws (sans Poole, Wiggins, Iguodala, DLee, Klay, Wiseman) over a fairly beastly Grizzlies squad.
Dray is rejuvenated, the guy is all over the court defensively.
 

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Murray’s injury kills them. Oscar had some bad ones back in the day as did Kobe’s in that year or two after Shaq left…..that was brutal.
Yeah, the post-Shaq years for Kobe were pretty grim, I thought Odom had made an All-Star team in Miami right before he was traded but I guess he didn't. The Royals didn't have the loaded firepower to beat the Celtics or Sixers back in the 60s, but Oscar always played with at least one other HoF player and most of the time, multiple (Jack Twyman, Wayne Embry, Jerry Lucas, Kareem, Bobby Dandridge).

The Rockets post-Sampson injury were really bad at surronding Hakeem with talent until the mid-90s.
 

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Article on the Jazz and their "historic" offense: https://www.thescore.com/nba/news/2223770

the Gobert-Derrick Favors frontcourt was scrapped, along with all other two-big lineups, in favor of constant four-out spacing around their rim-running center. (Outside of Gobert and backup Hassan Whiteside, Utah doesn't play any non-shooters. Six players in the team's 10-man rotation hoist at least seven 3-pointers per 36 minutes.)