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The only times Sweeney has traded a notable veteran player for futures were the Milan Lucic and Dougie Hamilton trades. The Lucic trade was a smart one, dodged a bullet, really. Biggest problems with those trades were the draftees picked as a result; the trades themselves were fair value for the players involved. So I'd say his record there is incomplete.

I thought the draft scouting department was revamped after the 2015 draft fiasco.
Yeah, he's super conservative. He took over in May of 2015, and made a flurry of trades around the draft and free agency (Hamilton, Lucic, Shithead, Martin Jones, Smith/Hayes). Since then he's made 15 NHL level trades, excluding a few AHL trades and draft pick for draft pick swaps. 13 of the 15 deals have been deadline maneuvering, mostly buys with futures going out for immediate help. The only 2 trades he's made that fall outside what I would consider deadline maneuvering are the McQuaid and Vladar trades. I believe he's only made 2 "hockey" trades, player for player deals. That's Smith for Hayes and Heinen for Ritchie. And Smith/Hayes included the Savard contract. Both were relative whiffs.

The looming DeBrusk trade will be something he's never really done.
 

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Yeah, he's super conservative. He took over in May of 2015, and made a flurry of trades around the draft and free agency (Hamilton, Lucic, Shithead, Martin Jones, Smith/Hayes). Since then he's made 15 NHL level trades, excluding a few AHL trades and draft pick for draft pick swaps. 13 of the 15 deals have been deadline maneuvering, mostly buys with futures going out for immediate help. The only 2 trades he's made that fall outside what I would consider deadline maneuvering are the McQuaid and Vladar trades. I believe he's only made 2 "hockey" trades, player for player deals. That's Smith for Hayes and Heinen for Ritchie. And Smith/Hayes included the Savard contract. Both were relative whiffs.

The looming DeBrusk trade will be something he's never really done.
So what you're saying is that it's probably not in our best interest to trust Don Sweeney to build the next core for this team. I would agree with that.
 

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I think the proof is in the pudding with Sweeney. He has already tried to do a retool. It was a huge failure. @cshea already talked about it but in 2015 Chia had his hands tied behind his back for the trade deadline and they fired him in the offseason. They elevated Sweeney with the mandate of retooling the team on the fly.

This was his retool:

Dougie Hamilton - for a 1st and 2 2nd rounders. Ironically he was acquiring picks to move up and pick Hanifin who the canes picked and traded for......dougie Hamilton along with Elias Lindholm a couple years later. Cool. Reports after were that Dougie, a premium RHD offensive D coming off an ELC, wasn't offered around the league. This trade was a massive failure and I'm still mad about it.

Milan Lucic - Retained half of the last year of his deal and got a first, Martin Jones and Colin Miller. He then flipped Jones for another first rounder and Sean Kuraly. I was ready to forget the Dougie trade. This was such a genius move. I was so excited.

The draft happens. I watched it with my father in law, an Islanders fan. I wanted Zboril, Barzal and Erickson-Ek or Connor. When they picked Zboril I was so excited. When they picked Debrusk, I was nervous but at least they will get Barzal. Ok well we know what happened. The worst thing was Barzal fell to the Islanders and my father in law was now excited, rightfully so.

Then he trades Reilly Smith for an objectively worse player in the late Jimmy Hayes. ugh.

Then he trades a 3rd round pick for Zac Rinadlo. double Ugh.

On July 1st he signs Beleskey.

That was it. Most of the success the bruins have had in Sweeney's tenure has been because Cassidy is a better coach than Claude was at the time and used Bergeron/Marchand and Krejci in much smarter ways and Pastrnak matured He did pick McAvoy as well, so he gets credit for that. I wanted Fabbro.

He's been mostly fair to good over his tenure as a whole. His contracts with internal players have been mostly good, even aided by good fortune in the timing. But we've seen what he does when given the keys to a retool and it was basically to set assets on fire. I don't trust him to do it.

I'd want someone like Darche in Tampa, MacFarland in Colorado, the number 2 guy in Anaheim who was the player development guy and now the AGM or maybe someone working for Wadell in Carolina that I dont know about. They need someone more aggressive who has a strong understanding of player development, drafting and the salary cap. Tall order, but its a premiere franchise and they should be able to attract someone like that. Unfortunately the Bruins have only brought in one GM from outside the organization in the last 50 years, so it seems pretty unlikely.
 

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You forgot trading their 5th rounder to Minnesota for Minny’s 5th the next year. The Bruins picked defencenan Cam Clarke in 2016. The Wild in 2015? Kirill Fucking Kaprizov. Seriously.
 

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I mean, yeah, but the late round draft pick for draft pick trades are fairly common. There's no guarantee the Bruins would've picked Kaprizov. The Wild could've easily picked some kid that never even reached pro hockey.
 

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You forgot trading their 5th rounder to Minnesota for Minny’s 5th the next year. The Bruins picked defencenan Cam Clarke in 2016. The Wild in 2015? Kirill Fucking Kaprizov. Seriously.
Ha sure but I mean - chalk that up to "shit happens."
 

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Fifth round picks in the NHL Draft are basically lottery tickets. I can’t criticize the Bruins management for that one.
 

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It’s less the outcome than the fact that we were howling about how it was a bad use of a draft pick at the time. That the outcome was so much worse is just a little cosmic salt in the wound.
 

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It's relatively common in the NHL in the later rounds picks to be traded for the same round a year later. I looked at the '17 and '18 draft and each of them have a handful of those each year. Is it the best use of asset management? Probably not. Is it bad asset management? I don't think so. I think we're (or at least I'm) using the NFL mental model of trade this years pick for next year's but a round ahead and the NHL doesn't seem to follow for whatever reason.
 

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NHL teams do it for spacing and the 50 contract limit. Teamscan't make 10 picks in a draft and then have them all join the organization within a year or two of each other. Especially players coming from the CHL where you have less of a time frame to sign them than a NCAA player or a player from a European team.
 

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And the NFL model may very well be where I got the idea it was asset mismanagement. I do remember that idea (if you trade a pick from this draft, get one a round ahead next year) being used to rail against the deal at the time.

God, that weekend could’ve melted the Antarctic for the salt we generated.
 

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Kale Clague was waived by LA yesterday. 23-year old LHD making $761K.

I would think the Bruins put in a claim. We don’t know the severity of Zboril’s injury yet, but assuming he is out in the short term, that leaves the Bruins with only 6 defenseman. Providence remains unavailable and the Bruins have a Western Canada tripon tap next week.
 

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Speaking of Zboril, that looked like a possible season ender, didn't it? One of the CLs got torn, maybe? Or just sprained?
 

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Speaking of Zboril, that looked like a possible season ender, didn't it? One of the CLs got torn, maybe? Or just sprained?
Fluto is saying "no clarity" on Zboril, and will be re-evaluated in the days to come, which, frankly, is better news than I expected. It looked really, really bad to me.
 

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Fluto is saying "no clarity" on Zboril, and will be re-evaluated in the days to come, which, frankly, is better news than I expected. It looked really, really bad to me.
No clarity called also mean “we can’t see anything on an MRI until the swelling goes down”.
 

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No clarity called also mean “we can’t see anything on an MRI until the swelling goes down”.
That looked like a 5-8 week MCL tear/strain recovery. Went through it last year when I hit a deep rut in the ice while pursuing an uncontested puck in the corner. Excruciating, and super-unstable - such as it appeared Zboril’s was almost immediately. I’m not optimistic.
 

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Kale Clague was waived by LA yesterday. 23-year old LHD making $761K.

I would think the Bruins put in a claim. We don’t know the severity of Zboril’s injury yet, but assuming he is out in the short term, that leaves the Bruins with only 6 defenseman. Providence remains unavailable and the Bruins have a Western Canada tripon tap next week.
Habs just claimed him, unfortunately.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/canadiens-claim-defenceman-kale-clague-off-waivers-kings/sn-amp/
 

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Looks like Moore and Ahcan are up for the road trip.

View: https://twitter.com/MarkDivver/status/1467873436710092801?s=20


That gives them 8 D to bring to Western Canada. No official word yet, but I assume we won't get good news on Zboril.

Curious to see how the F's sort out for the trip. Marchand is freed so we essentially have a full complement of players. Blidh is on IR, but has been skating the past few days so he may be relatively close to a return. They'll have to make some kind of roster move if/when they activate Blidh since they're at 23 players with Moore and Ahcan.

This would seem to be a reasonable window to pull the trigger on a DeBrusk trade, if an acceptable offer exists. They are healthy up front and Providence is back in business. With Marchand returning, DeBrusk could be headed towards healthy scratchville again which isn't ideal. Probably not great to have a grumpy Jake in the pressbox for a road trip, and on the flip side, road trips can be a good way to integrate a new player to the group (if they go for current help and not futures).
 

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Rask is practicing with the team today. Ullmark is not on the ice (nor is McAvoy, Bergeron, Grzelyck and Coyle). Wonder if McAvoy's illness has spread. Ugh.

View: https://twitter.com/smclaughlin9/status/1467879776790757385?s=20


Not sure what the legality is of having a UFA player practice with your team. Well, I guess it is legal since he is doing it.

Edit: To answer my question, LeBrun says Rask an EBUG. The absent guys are also all sick with a non-covid illness. Fantastic.

View: https://twitter.com/PierreVLeBrun/status/1467886926548111364?s=20
 
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Rask is practicing with the team today. Ullmark is not on the ice (nor is McAvoy, Bergeron, Grzelyck and Coyle). Wonder if McAvoy's illness has spread. Ugh.

View: https://twitter.com/smclaughlin9/status/1467879776790757385?s=20


Not sure what the legality is of having a UFA player practice with your team. Well, I guess it is legal since he is doing it.

Edit: To answer my question, LeBrun says Rask an EBUG. The absent guys are also all sick with a non-covid illness. Fantastic.

View: https://twitter.com/PierreVLeBrun/status/1467886926548111364?s=20
I really wish the BU guys would stop hanging out together.
 

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Ullmark, Coyle, Nosek and Grzelyck have a non-Covid illness. Bergeron missed practice to get his nose fixed. Apparently he broke it in Nashville. McAvoy skated prior to practice. Team pushed their travel plans back until tomorrow to hopefully give the sick guys an extra day of rest. Even with the extra day, flying from Boston to Vancouver with a bunch of guys sick doesn't seem ideal.

Cassidy won't be with the team to start the trip. Guess he is symptomatic, but feeling better. Obviously need to clear the protocol before re-joining the team.
 

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Nosek's not traveling with the team. Steen is up. Zboril also not traveling and will be re-evaluated in 2 weeks.

Cassidy also won't be able to join them on the road trip due to Canada's protocols. Sacco coaches the next 3, at least.
 

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Nosek's not traveling with the team. Steen is up. Zboril also not traveling and will be re-evaluated in 2 weeks.

Cassidy also won't be able to join them on the road trip due to Canada's protocols. Sacco coaches the next 3, at least.
That sounds like good news on Zboril I would think. If it was a ACL he would just have surgery. Maybe he dodged a bullet and it’s a 4-6 week MCL.
 

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All are legitimately good. In terms of xGF%, Florida is #1, Bruins are #2, Toronto is #3, Tampa is #10. Tampa is playing without Point and Kucherov too.

The Bruins have between 2-5 games in hand on the 3 so the 10 point gap is a bit misleading, but it will be an uphill climb to catch any of the 3 group. To be honest, WC 1 might be the best spot, kick over to the Metro. We're a long way away from worrying about seeding though.
 

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All are legitimately good. In terms of xGF%, Florida is #1, Bruins are #2, Toronto is #3, Tampa is #10. Tampa is playing without Point and Kucherov too.

The Bruins have between 2-5 games in hand on the 3 so the 10 point gap is a bit misleading, but it will be an uphill climb to catch any of the 3 group. To be honest, WC 1 might be the best spot, kick over to the Metro. We're a long way away from worrying about seeding though.
It is going to be a hand full to catch Florida, Tampa & Toronto in the division. WC is the most likely at this point.
 

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A point in this Cap Friendly tweet caught my eye.

View: https://twitter.com/CapFriendly/status/1469413455350349826?s=20


12/15 is the final day to sign a UFA player who started the season in Europe, without requiring the player to first pass through waivers.

So that would seem to be the drop dead date for a Krejci reunion this year. I haven't heard any rumblings that he's coming back, and I assume he intends to at least play out the full year in the Czech, but 12/15 would be the last date the Bruins could pull it off for this season.
 

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Krejci could always pull the “Don’t claim me - I’m only going to play for the Bruins” card.
he could but if you’re right behind the bruins in the standings and right in front of them for waiver order, don’t you just claim him to fuck their shit up?
 

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And the Knights are probably next now. The league's resistance to shutting individual teams down is going to lead to the entire league being shut down.
 

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And the Knights are probably next now. The league's resistance to shutting individual teams down is going to lead to the entire league being shut down.
Literally all the owners care about is making sure that they get the gate revenues for a full season this year. They will make teams play with ECHL guys if they have to.
 

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Crap. I hope these guys are false positives or at least asymptomatic. I really hope they shut the team down for a week or two to keep everyone as safe and healthy as possible. I don’t see how they can travel to Canada now.
 

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Pretty much all of the cases in the NHL so far that I've read are either asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic. On the Hurricanes all but one were completely asymptomatic. The testing protocol is catching a lot of cases that otherwise wouldn't be caught in the "real world". Which is a good thing of course, but it's not like there are rosters of players laid up sick either.