2020 TB12: The Decision 2020

How Would You Feel if Brady Left?

  • Completely devastated

    Votes: 24 13.0%
  • Very disappointed but still got BB

    Votes: 84 45.4%
  • Hold my beer until we know our next QB

    Votes: 29 15.7%
  • Eh, this may turn out to be a plus

    Votes: 32 17.3%
  • Let the Stidham era begin!

    Votes: 16 8.6%

  • Total voters
    185
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NomarsFool

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I see no chance of them trading for Jimmy G. It's extremely challenging for any team to trade back for a player they previously traded away. When you add in the fact that the Patriots would probably have to trade MORE to get Jimmy G back than they received the first time, it gets even more challenging. No way they do that.
 

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Silverdude2167

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I see no chance of them trading for Jimmy G. It's extremely challenging for any team to trade back for a player they previously traded away. When you add in the fact that the Patriots would probably have to trade MORE to get Jimmy G back than they received the first time, it gets even more challenging. No way they do that.
Not sure I follow here. This situation is maybe unique, Jimmy G was not traded away out of dislike and it has been widely reported he was traded to a team they felt he would succeed in.

The cost question is fair.
 

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I had the same thought, but in the prior case the demand for Hoyer's services was limited, to put it kindly. I suspect a free agent Jimmy G would have a few suitors.

Edited to add:. Uh oh

https://www.bostonherald.com/2020/03/04/tom-brady-bill-belichick-phone-call-tuesday-didnt-go-well/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
Karen G. is no clickbait factory, this should be taken as a credible report on its face. What it ultimately means, who knows, but that’s a ‘NOT GREAT BOB’ article.

Curran chimes in with similar reporting:

https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/tom-brady-bill-belichick-had-conversation-discuss-qbs-free-agency
‘The impression drawn was that Belichick spoke as if Brady was “still under contract.”’
 

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As being discussed on Bertrand & Zolak these are Brady sources this is coming from. Could be the beginning of Brady laying the groundwork to leave by putting these stories out there, try to shift it not being his decision/fault.
 

Mystic Merlin

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And/or he’s posturing to the market to stoke further interest, probably more impactful than Yee telling some team rep or intermediary off the record that Brady isn’t liking what he’s hearing from the Pats.
 

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RedOctober3829

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Not shocking at all. His twitter feed is still littered with Jimmy G references. I mean just today he re-tweeted George Kittle wanting you run it back with #10.
Basically, I would be shocked if he was ever pro-Brady.
I am probably wrong, but I thought he was the one in 2014 that asked about the QB change and got the famous On to Cincinnati quote.
I mean is it shocking that Brady's market isn't as good as is being portrayed in the media? No it is not. There's 2 to 3 teams that make sense for him. SF, TEN, LAC. That's probably it.
 

heavyde050

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I mean is it shocking that Brady's market isn't as good as is being portrayed in the media? No it is not. There's 2 to 3 teams that make sense for him. SF, TEN, LAC. That's probably it.
I get that part. I was just referring to Mike G’s bias in this case. He probably isn’t the most impartial on this topic, though I do love enjoy his reporting.
 

DJnVa

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I see no chance of them trading for Jimmy G. It's extremely challenging for any team to trade back for a player they previously traded away. When you add in the fact that the Patriots would probably have to trade MORE to get Jimmy G back than they received the first time, it gets even more challenging. No way they do that.
Well, the whole idea is that it's all part of the plan. SF actually wants Brady, not JG, so they'll facilitate and trade and not make it difficult.
 

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Can capologists fill me in here:

Is there any NFL equivalent of a sign-and-trade that would mitigate Brady's $13M dead money/cap hit if they swung a deal for Jimmy?
No.

But you could cut Garapollos cap hit by converting some of his salary to a bonus instead.
 

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It just doesn’t make sense that he would leave. Why would he ruin his legacy for a couple of years with the titans & raiders? Like we all pretend MJ didn’t play for the wizards but he actually did & it was mostly embarrassing & not being a forever Bull is a stain on his legacy in my opinion. I just really don’t understand why Brady would jeopardize it. Does he want the last image we see of him be for the Tennessee Titans? I mean...
 
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It just doesn’t make sense that he would leave. Why would he ruin his legacy for a couple of years with the titans & raiders? Like we all pretend MJ didn’t play for the wizards but he actually did & it was mostly embarrassing & not being a forever Bull is a stain on his legacy in my opinion. I just really don’t understand why Brady would jeopardize it. Does he want the last image we see of him be for the Tennessee Titans? I mean...
I can't understand it either, especially for a dysfunctional team like the Raiders. If he does go to the Raiders, I hope that he's leading a come from behind playoff win, goes to pass, tucks it, gets stripped and they lose.
 

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Go to about 8:22 on the video:

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I watch that and I think, they are not making this up. They genuinely like and respect one another immensely. How can they have stayed together all these years (when that never happens anymore) if they didn't have this incredible mutual admiration and respect?
 

nattysez

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More team spin from Schefter.

Curran is funny because you can tell that he KNOWS the clickbait stuff is bad, but he also has bills to pay, and all those TV shows and website pages don't fill themselves.
 

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It just doesn’t make sense that he would leave. Why would he ruin his legacy for a couple of years with the titans & raiders? Like we all pretend MJ didn’t play for the wizards but he actually did & it was mostly embarrassing & not being a forever Bull is a stain on his legacy in my opinion. I just really don’t understand why Brady would jeopardize it. Does he want the last image we see of him be for the Tennessee Titans? I mean...
It doesn't ruin his legacy one bit. If he quit tomorrow he's still the greatest of all time.

I would love to know how playing for the Wizards hurt MJ one bit. Things seemed to have worked out well for him over the last 20 years.

Athletes in all sports come and go. I hope Brady is a Patriot for the remainder of his career. I fully understand if that doesn't happen. And I'll root for him in another jersey except when he plays the Patriots. He owes New England nothing.
 

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Doesn't the 30% rule go away with the new CBA?
If SF and NE want to make this happen and it is in everyone’s best interest, maybe they could sneak in a quick last minute “Tom Brady rule” type provision into the CBA to allow it to happen. They could make it very specific (“for trades of players that have been with the same team for 15+ years the rule is waived”, etc. Feel like it would be good for the league overall...the storylines would be insane.
 

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I can't understand it either, especially for a dysfunctional team like the Raiders. If he does go to the Raiders, I hope that he's leading a come from behind playoff win, goes to pass, tucks it, gets stripped and they lose.
The Raiders currently are not at all dysfunctional. They just had one of the most fruitful draft classes ever under Mayock, have more first rounders and a shit ton of cap room. He also would be the face of Vegas football and have no state income tax.
 

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Curran says he was throwing shit against the wall yesterday with the SF stuff, but then people reached out to him and said yes there is some legs to it. Very interesting game of leverage both sides are playing.

https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/dont-dismiss-prospect-49ers-signing-tom-brady-free-agency
Leverage only works with someone who can be leveraged. God could be on the line telling BB that he's going to make Brady the Pope and BB's top dollar wont change significantly.
 

nattysez

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Again, nobody knows anything. There are no "sources close to the situation". It's the media trying to get clicks while nothing is going on.
There are 2 people who know stuff. TB and BB. That's about it, and they ain't talking to the media.
This is definitely not true given that Brady's paying Yee a lot to do legwork and other teams must be talking to Yee.

(But I fully admit that paying as much attention to this as I have been is silly).
 

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Assuming it gets ratified in time for the new league year.
I don't.

The owners already said in their letter (2/20) that if it wasn't approved by "next week" they'd have no choice but to move forward because it wouldn't be fair to this offseason to players or owners who had to make plans. I don't assume that "next week" (which we're already well past) is set in stone but they're not going to change the rules of free agency once legal tampering starts, and they probably won't want to make changes at the 11th hour, either. So we're already pretty much up against it as far as timing.
 

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If SF and NE want to make this happen and it is in everyone’s best interest, maybe they could sneak in a quick last minute “Tom Brady rule” type provision into the CBA to allow it to happen. They could make it very specific (“for trades of players that have been with the same team for 15+ years the rule is waived”, etc. Feel like it would be good for the league overall...the storylines would be insane.
Well, the league is known to help out the Pats...
 

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A 3rd and Edelman for Jimmy G. TB12 and JE11 win a couple for their hometown team. JG is reunited with his father figure BB who still texts him after every game and never wanted to trade him. Shanahan did not show faith in JG in the playoffs but will w TB12 at the controls. JG and TB share an agent and Lynch owes BB a favor back. NE will throw in the rights to Gronkowski to put it over the top. Everyone is happy. Your calls after the break...
 

DJnVa

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So unless they convince him to come back, he's not coming back.
Well, we still need offensive upgrades, whether he's slinging it, or someone else. We may be about to cross over to the other side...
 

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Does anyone know what the rationale might be for it not looking good for Brady to return to NE? What is the actual information on this?

Because I've seen ZERO actual information. Just a lot of bloggers and twitter people and reporters throwing stuff out there. Even Curran's SF stuff was "I believe it would make sense for him to go to SF" kind of thing. No actual information, just total speculation.
 

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Does anyone know what the rationale might be for it not looking good for Brady to return to NE? What is the actual information on this?

Because I've seen ZERO actual information. Just a lot of bloggers and twitter people and reporters throwing stuff out there. Even Curran's SF stuff was "I believe it would make sense for him to go to SF" kind of thing. No actual information, just total speculation.
Charitable interpretation: Pats and Yee both think the Pats are unlikely to bring Brady back if he waits to re-sign until after free agency and both sides believe that that's looking unlikely.

Uncharitable interpretation: People are buying into negotiation positioning and will be surprised when it turns out it was all posturing.
 
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