2020 TB12: The Decision 2020

How Would You Feel if Brady Left?

  • Completely devastated

    Votes: 24 13.0%
  • Very disappointed but still got BB

    Votes: 84 45.4%
  • Hold my beer until we know our next QB

    Votes: 29 15.7%
  • Eh, this may turn out to be a plus

    Votes: 32 17.3%
  • Let the Stidham era begin!

    Votes: 16 8.6%

  • Total voters
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i think LAC wants tua or herbert at 6 so to me its TB or retirement and rumors are TB wants Bridgewater the WC is would brady take a 1 year deal from LAC brady might have to take a 1 year deal anyway
 

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And that number doesn’t include McCourty. Legit not sure how they afford Brady now.
An extension for Ghost and/or Sanu and a Hightower restructure could buy them space, but they’re still up against it if they’re gonna pay TB12 20M plus in new money this year. I’m skeptical BB wants to give him a big signing bonus and a small salary to kick more dead money out to 2021. I could see him getting used to Stidham/Dalton, conceptually.

The bigger issue is: how do they add skill talent around TB12 that’ll perform in 2020? Hooper is looking like a pipe dream with how his market is developing, Diggs isn’t on the market it appears, and a Hayden Hurst trade, while it would be a definite improvement, isn’t a game changer.

I’m increasingly skepticalBill wants to jump through the numerous contractual and personnel hoops needed to convince Tom to stay.
 

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The bigger issue is: how do they add skill talent around TB12 that’ll perform in 2020? Hooper is looking like a pipe dream with how his market is developing, Diggs isn’t on the market it appears, and a Hayden Hurst trade, while it would be a definite improvement, isn’t a game changer.
Agreed
 

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Too bad Simms didn't report why the 49ers haven't backed JG publicly yet
They have. Loudly and repeatedly (at least in the local media).

So what’s the latest?
Read the thread.

I want Brady back in New England for a lot of reasons, but I am especially curious to see if guys like Jeff Darlington and Curran offer mea culpas
They are going to say the "market changed" and Brady had to put his tail between his legs and come back and BB was willing to do just enough to facilitate him coming back.

I wonder how long it'll be before the Pats start floating the idea that Brady may have to retire if he doesn't take an under-market offer from the Pats because there's no other place for him to go.
 

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This is a long way from over. All it takes is one other team to be interested and things can happen very fast.
 

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An extension for Ghost and/or Sanu and a Hightower restructure could buy them space, but they’re still up against it if they’re gonna pay TB12 20M plus in new money this year. I’m skeptical BB wants to give him a big signing bonus and a small salary to kick more dead money out to 2021. I could see him getting used to Stidham/Dalton, conceptually.

The bigger issue is: how do they add skill talent around TB12 that’ll perform in 2020? Hooper is looking like a pipe dream with how his market is developing, Diggs isn’t on the market it appears, and a Hayden Hurst trade, while it would be a definite improvement, isn’t a game changer.

I’m increasingly skepticalBill wants to jump through the numerous contractual and personnel hoops needed to convince Tom to stay.
I really hope he isn’t thinking about Dalton. Dalton looked really bad last year, like worse than a 42 year old Brady. Dalton also doesn’t seem like he is going to be cheap (he currently makes like $17M - I doubt he takes
that much less especially if he is starting).
I guess my mind would change if he got some super cheap one year prove it deal, but I would still rather not watch him play for the Pats.
 

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I’m skeptical BB wants to give him a big signing bonus and a small salary to kick more dead money out to 2021.
They kicked 13.5 million down the road to give Brady a raise last year. Not sure why they wouldn't push some into future years now.
 

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Good point by PFT about off-season activities being suspended. If Brady can’t have the same camps with a new team how can he build chemistry and install his playbook?
 

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They kicked 13.5 million down the road to give Brady a raise last year. Not sure why they wouldn't push some into future years now.
He was better in 2018 than he was in 2019, and he’s another year into his 40s? I’m not saying it’s what BB is thinking, but it has to be considered.
 

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Brady was almost always likely coming back. It’s not shocking to anyone but possibly Brady himself (and Jeff Darlington) that the 49ers don’t want to jettison their 28 year old QB that just brought them to the Super Bowl for a 42 year old that has 1-2 years left in the tank.

The Titans may have been his most realistic chance at jumping, but hard to argue with the resigning Tannehill to what is essentially a 2 year deal at 31 million/year when he just had the best year of his career and was one of the best QBs in the NFL for the 10+ weeks he started.

The Chargers don’t make much sense in that they don’t appear to be a legitimate SB contender this season, nor do the Raiders. The Bucs have the offensive weapons, but again, don’t appear to be an obvious contender. Colts are maybe the only other team that makes any sense.

Pats have some work to do in adding talent, but it seems that both NE and Brady are going to be left staring at each other at the end of the dance.
 

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The big obstacle right now is available cap space. Depending on how D-Mac's contract is structured, they are looking at somewhere between 10-15 million in current cap space.
Not that it will add a ton but, if you're going by Miguel's #, he has Brady counting $13.5 million right now. Assuming he signed for 2 years, the team would save the 6+ million on the proration of the 13.5
 

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Not that it will add a ton but, if you're going by Miguel's #, he has Brady counting $13.5 million right now. Assuming he signed for 2 years, the team would save the 6+ million on the proration of the 13.5
Right, but if you're looking to add upgrades at the offensive skill positions they are going to have to get creative. Player-for-player trades is a way. Gilmore for Hopkins?
 

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The big obstacle right now is available cap space. Depending on how D-Mac's contract is structured, they are looking at somewhere between 10-15 million in current cap space.
Right, but that is with $13.5 apportioned already for Brady. So if they can get him signed in the next couple of days the only cap hit will be the incremental cap hit above $13.5m, which should be maybe another $5m or so give or take.

The legal tampering period helps here. The Patriots can probably tell Brady that if he wants them as a possible landing spot the deal has to get done before the league year.

Edit: Sorry I see steveluck already made the point.
 

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If Belichick wants Brady and Brady wants to play for him -- neither of which is obvious to me -- then it would be shocking if they can't figure out a solution that works salary-wise. I don't pretend to know what it is but I'm sure that if there is a will, there's a way.

A few related points:

1. If Brady returns, seeing Jeff Darlington eat shit will be incredibly satisfying. He was uncommonly smug and went all the way out on the limb with his report, with no wiggle room.

2. Even if the Pats can do as I suggested, how are the fixing the offense? That, to me, is the problem; not that they can't pay Tom, that they can't give him what he wants the most, which is the chance to compete for a title. There's probably a workaround here too but it's not at all obvious to me.

3. If Brady chooses Tampa Bay over NE, he must REALLY want out or REALLY believe that the Pats have no shot to win as constituted. I mean, I would have easily understood Brady going to SF or Tennessee. Both are set up to win and the former is his home town team. Tampa Bay is kind of a yahoo franchise in a city that is not exactly marquee, and as has been pointed out by others, has an offense currently in place that is not suited to this QB's strengths.

4. If Tom comes back, not getting it done before 4 PM on Wednesday would be inexcusable. And frankly, knowing Bill, I have to believe that if he does not sign on before then, he's not coming back. Yes, it's possible, but it would be a terrible salary cap management move. As is known, if the Pats sign him after then, the dead money salary cap hit is $13.5 mm, and if they sign him in advance, then it's $6.75 mm in 2020 and another $6.75 mm hit in 2021.
 

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If Belichick wants Brady and Brady wants to play for him -- neither of which is obvious to me -- then it would be shocking if they can't figure out a solution that works salary-wise. I don't pretend to know what it is but I'm sure that if there is a will, there's a way.

A few related points:

1. If Brady returns, seeing Jeff Darlington eat shit will be incredibly satisfying. He was uncommonly smug and went all the way out on the limb with his report, with no wiggle room.

2. Even if the Pats can do as I suggested, how are the fixing the offense? That, to me, is the problem; not that they can't pay Tom, that they can't give him what he wants the most, which is the chance to compete for a title. There's probably a workaround here too but it's not at all obvious to me.

3. If Brady chooses Tampa Bay over NE, he must REALLY want out or REALLY believe that the Pats have no shot to win as constituted. I mean, I would have easily understood Brady going to SF or Tennessee. Both are set up to win and the former is his home town team. Tampa Bay is kind of a yahoo franchise in a city that is not exactly marquee, and as has been pointed out by others, has an offense currently in place that is not suited to this QB's strengths.

4. If Tom comes back, not getting it done before 4 PM on Wednesday would be inexcusable. And frankly, knowing Bill, I have to believe that if he does not sign on before then, he's not coming back. Yes, it's possible, but it would be a terrible salary cap management move. As is known, if the Pats sign him after then, the dead money salary cap hit is $13.5 mm, and if they sign him in advance, then it's $6.75 mm in 2020 and another $6.75 mm hit in 2021.
Fully agree with pretty much all of this.

Re: #2, having Wynn and Andrews play 16 games would of course be a huge help, but obviously that is far from guaranteed.
 

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A Peter King item in his column today:

I think the economy, the coronavirus and the losing are coming at a very bad time for the Giants. This is the 11th season of MetLife Stadium, and it’s time for those suite-holders who had 10-year contracts on their suites to renew, and it’s time for those who had five-year deals to renew too. You wouldn’t have expected renewals to go well in this environment, and they’re not.
 

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And with Joe Thuney getting franchised, it puts an even finer point on where they will get the money for Tom and skill players. Bill has his ways. But is one of them saying "I'm OK with you leaving, TB12"?
 

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If Tom comes back, not getting it done before 4 PM on Wednesday would be inexcusable. And frankly, knowing Bill, I have to believe that if he does not sign on before then, he's not coming back. Yes, it's possible, but it would be a terrible salary cap management move. As is known, if the Pats sign him after then, the dead money salary cap hit is $13.5 mm, and if they sign him in advance, then it's $6.75 mm in 2020 and another $6.75 mm hit in 2021.
This really isn't an issue if they re-sign him.

I mean it could be an issue if you want to get a cap hit under 15 or so bit other than that, it doesn't really factor.
They can structure the contract to push money into next year or year after if they want.
 

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This really isn't an issue if they re-sign him.

I mean it could be an issue if you want to get a cap hit under 15 or so bit other than that, it doesn't really factor.
They can structure the contract to push money into next year or year after if they want.
I'm not trying to be obstinate...but I don't follow. If they sign him after the deadline, don't they automatically have a $13.5 mm dead money hit this coming season? How does structuring it avoid that?
 

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BB: Tom, I have some news I think you'll like. We put the franchise tag on Thuney.

Brady: That's great. We need a rock-solid OL.

BB: There's just one problem now. You have to play in 2020 for $5.25 million.
 
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BB: Tom, I have some news I think you'll like. We put the franchise tag on Thuney.

Brady: That's great. We need a rock-solid OL.

BB: There's just one problem now. You have to play in 2020 for $5.25 million.
BB: We could also flip Thuney for Hopkins, they have same cap hit. How's that sound?
 

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I mean maybe money really is the ultimate goal for Brady but I just can’t see why he would want to play for Tampa Bay - not a particularly desirable location and the team is okay but still a ways away from being any kind of legit contender, plus their division is harder given the presence of the Saints.

Chargers are a different story, of course - not sure they are really much closer to being contenders and they are in the Chiefs’ division, but obviously LA is the most appealing free-agent destination in any sport, especially for a star like Brady who wants to branch into production, etc.
 

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One thing to keep in mind is that the cap is pretty likely to be lower the following year due to the virus. Makes it harder to play games with the cap.
 

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I mean maybe money really is the ultimate goal for Brady but I just can’t see why he would want to play for Tampa Bay - not a particularly desirable location and the team is okay but still a ways away from being any kind of legit contender, plus their division is harder given the presence of the Saints.

Chargers are a different story, of course - not sure they are really much closer to being contenders and they are in the Chiefs’ division, but obviously LA is the most appealing free-agent destination in any sport, especially for a star like Brady who wants to branch into production, etc.
If your goal is to maximize your $, playing in a state with no income tax is pretty appealing, especially compare to CA.
 

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One thing to keep in mind is that the cap is pretty likely to be lower the following year due to the virus. Makes it harder to play games with the cap.
The NFL cap is expected to significantly increase in 2021. I haven't seen anything that says differently yet.
 

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If your goal is to maximize your $, playing in a state with no income tax is pretty appealing, especially compare to CA.
I doubt this equation holds for Brady because of the likelihood that Gisele's & his supplementary incomes increase in CA.
 

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Mike Giardi:
I am told the Tampa Bay Bucs have made the intentions to Tom Brady loud and clear.
"We want you to come here and play for our shitty team ALOT! We have some good players...but the playoffs might be a stretch....so....?"
 

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"We want you to come here and play for our shitty team ALOT! We have some good players...but the playoffs might be a stretch....so....?"
With Tom Brady they are a playoff team. That's the bottom line. He believes it and they know it.

For 20 years we've known that you bet against Tom Brady at your peril. That won't change because he goes to another team. It will suck but it will not change.
 

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I do NOT want to see Tom Brady leave. For a million obvious reasons he's among my favorite athletes ever. But if he chooses to leave New England at the age of 42-43, in order to seek untold millions from the freaking Tampa Bay Bucs....well, I'll think that's frigging nuts, but.... more power to him, and I won't wish him ill at all.
 

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The one allowing 3 sacks a game (2.9....22nd overall......allowed 2.6 in 2018) and has a RT who is both Old and a FA.

FO had them at around 22 overall.
 

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You’re assuming they would be better with 22 fewer interceptions.
They probably could have beat the 49ers last year (lost by 14 - early in the season) if Winston wasn't a turnover machine. He had three interceptions. I think two of them were returned for touchdowns.

Edit - I only brought up that game b/c that was the only Tampa Bay game I watched.
 

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That was before the virus.
I've seen stories in past week. Can you post something saying they expect a drop next year? I'm not challenging you, as much as saying I have not seen that.

The cap is based on revenue--the TV deals aren't changing as far as we know and that's the major driver of the cap.
 
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