2020 Pats: Gilmore Tests Positive for C-19 but Asymptomatic

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Unrelated to Covid, but just to jump in on the "are the NFL fat guys in danger?" back-and-forth.... I wonder why the NFL still has the same rules regarding the number of men on the line that they had basically from the beginning of the sport. Back then, it was all about running the ball, smashing people together, and gaining a few yards at a time. Imagine if they got rid of the rules requiring 7 men to be on the line, and designating certain players as ineligible receivers. Imagine you need one person to snap the ball, and from there, it's a free for all. Everyone is eligible. You can still have rules about what constitutes a forward pass, etc. This would allow teams, if they so chose, to have very few 300+ pound guys, as they could go with a bunch of fast guys. There would likely be a lot fewer concussions because you wouldn't likely have all these linemen smashing into each other every play. You'd still likely have some of that, but the game would likely move towards smaller, faster, and likely HEALTHIER guys, instead of a bunch of mammoth guys who are playing at, frankly, unhealthy weights.

And it would make the game crazy fun.
Sprint Football requires players to maintain a body weight of 178 lbs or less a minimum of 5% body fat. There was also supposed to be an A-11 league back in 2015 but it never happened.
 

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I am so glad I gave up on the NFL 2 years ago, and every week they reinforce that I made the right call in doing so. It is Donald Trump's league and watching it is supporting his friends and him.
If this is the case, why would you ever post about it on an internet message board of all things?
 

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I highly, highly doubt the NFLPA will say anything about this at all. Firstly, they got the opt-out ability to cover players with friends/family with risk and players with no risk. Secondly, the league is made up of haves and have-nots. The have-nots can't afford to not get paid by games/season getting cancelled. With most players having very little guaranteed money, they are always one injury away from having no income source. Thirdly, as mentioned above, they are young professional athletes with elite levels of medical care available. The actual risk to them of a positive CV19 diagnosis is very, very small and not worth the financial risk of cancelling.
I know it's not this cut and dry and you're talking more about life altering money, but league minimum for rookies is $510k and the COVID opt out was $150-350k, which while I understand there aren't many details on contingencies, I'd imagine the players would still get were the season called off; or wouldn't they still get their guaranteed base?

Because the NFL CBA expires at the end of the season, MLB has another full season before they have to negotiate.
I thought they extended through 2030? https://operations.nfl.com/football-ops/2020-nfl-nflpa-cba-need-to-know/
 

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The Trump stuff is stupid. You think if Hilary Clinton was president right now the NFL still wouldn’t be trying to play all their games? Of course they would, because $$$. MLB pushed forward for precisely the same reason. The leagues don’t care about how Covid affects gameplay itself so long as those games are played and they can satisfy TV contract requirements.
 

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If this is the case, why would you ever post about it on an internet message board of all things?
Probably because it is a discussion board and he felt it's worth discussing.
Exactly. I think we can talk about things here on SoSH that we are familiar with but are not necessarily fans of
 

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Unrelated to Covid, but just to jump in on the "are the NFL fat guys in danger?" back-and-forth.... I wonder why the NFL still has the same rules regarding the number of men on the line that they had basically from the beginning of the sport. Back then, it was all about running the ball, smashing people together, and gaining a few yards at a time. Imagine if they got rid of the rules requiring 7 men to be on the line, and designating certain players as ineligible receivers. Imagine you need one person to snap the ball, and from there, it's a free for all. Everyone is eligible. You can still have rules about what constitutes a forward pass, etc. This would allow teams, if they so chose, to have very few 300+ pound guys, as they could go with a bunch of fast guys. There would likely be a lot fewer concussions because you wouldn't likely have all these linemen smashing into each other every play. You'd still likely have some of that, but the game would likely move towards smaller, faster, and likely HEALTHIER guys, instead of a bunch of mammoth guys who are playing at, frankly, unhealthy weights.

And it would make the game crazy fun.
It would be arena football on steroids. Scores would be in the 80s.
 

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So do they have no positives at all now, or no new positives? (Question being: Are Newton and Gilmore now negative) That's not clear from the reports I've read.
 

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So do they have no positives at all now, or no new positives? (Question being: Are Newton and Gilmore now negative) That's not clear from the reports I've read.
I expect if Gilmore or Newton tested negative, that would be the headline of the story and you wouldn't have to guess. I certainly expect their positive results remain on the board.
 

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Given what's happened with TN, I will be very surprised if there are not more positives in the days ahead.
Except that TN apparently didn't follow the protocols at all--there is video from in their building of not following the rules, then 15 of them went and worked out together after the first case hit.

That's not what happened in NE.
 

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Except that TN apparently didn't follow the protocols at all--there is video from in their building of not following the rules, then 15 of them went and worked out together after the first case hit.

That's not what happened in NE.
Good point -- tho I would also be surprised if the Pats didn't have lapses we just aren't aware of. Also, Gilmore traveled in a plane with 20 teammates while (or just about to be) symptomatic. I'm guessing some of those guys will test positive, unfortunately.
 

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So as the Patriots practice days are dwindling with no organized in-person activities, the Broncos can casually prepare as scheduled with 10 days between games. Sounds great!
 

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So as the Patriots practice days are dwindling with no organized in-person activities, the Broncos can casually prepare as scheduled with 10 days between games. Sounds great!
Brett Rypien, doe. Plus Fant is hurt. Plus Lindsey isn't 100%. Courtland Sutton is out for the year. Plus like half the defense.

It's not ideal for the Pats but they could not have asked for a better team to play, non Jets division. (assuming the game can happen)
 

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Absolutely agree. I just used that example to show how little the NFL cares about these issues they claim they are supporting. And we, the people, fall for their lies every time because FOOTBALL!

I am so glad I gave up on the NFL 2 years ago, and every week they reinforce that I made the right call in doing so. It is Donald Trump's league and watching it is supporting his friends and him.
If this is the case, why would you ever post about it on an internet message board of all things?

For someone who claims to have given up on the NFL 2 years ago, you sure do enjoy participating in all the threads. You've posted more than once in the top 5 threads in the forum over the last few days. I'm with Skrub, is it necessary to let us all know you gave up? I mean, how does this further any conversation? Do you really think anyone cares you gave up (clearly you haven't)? I'm certainly not going to hop into a thread in Omar announcing that I don't watch a show because reasons. Please don't do this here.

Moreover, bringing up Trump in this forum isn't necessary and we have a place to discuss those topics. This forum ain't it. If you would like to start a thread in V&N on the topic, go for it. Let's keep the discussion to football, Covid, etc.
 

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Good point -- tho I would also be surprised if the Pats didn't have lapses we just aren't aware of. Also, Gilmore traveled in a plane with 20 teammates while (or just about to be) symptomatic. I'm guessing some of those guys will test positive, unfortunately.
There's a story/tweet out there that video of Pats facility has been reviewed and it appeared team was following protocol. Only takes one though.
 

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There's a story/tweet out there that video of Pats facility has been reviewed and it appeared team was following protocol. Only takes one though.
So now all those hidden cameras BB installed throughout Foxboro are paying off.
 

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If Gilmore became contagious on Monday, then anyone who caught it from him that day would likely become contagious today or tomorrow and be capable of testing positive for a test administered tomorrow or Saturday, which would have results Saturday or Sunday.

Will be interesting to see the Pat's and Chief's tests those days.
 

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For someone who claims to have given up on the NFL 2 years ago, you sure do enjoy participating in all the threads. You've posted more than once in the top 5 threads in the forum over the last few days. I'm with Skrub, is it necessary to let us all know you gave up? I mean, how does this further any conversation? Do you really think anyone cares you gave up (clearly you haven't)? I'm certainly not going to hop into a thread in Omar announcing that I don't watch a show because reasons. Please don't do this here.

Moreover, bringing up Trump in this forum isn't necessary and we have a place to discuss those topics. This forum ain't it. If you would like to start a thread in V&N on the topic, go for it. Let's keep the discussion to football, Covid, etc.
wonder if same as james4356340985630 on Twitter who was a fan of NFL since 1979 but just gave up....
 

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There *seems* like a distinct difference between what happened with Titans and the Patriots and Falcons (?) players that tested positive.

If Titans are not fined massively I will be surprised.
 

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There *seems* like a distinct difference between what happened with Titans and the Patriots and Falcons (?) players that tested positive.

If Titans are not fined massively I will be surprised.
Paul Perillo (I think) was on Felger and Mazz yesterday talking about this. He heard from a senior official with another team saying that The Titans has penalties will make the past Patriots penalties look like parking tickets.

this team official said he would expect a 1 yr suspension for Vrabel and Robinson, loss of 1st round pick and a huge fine
 

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Paul Perillo (I think) was on Felger and Mazz yesterday talking about this. He heard from a senior official with another team saying that The Titans has penalties will make the past Patriots penalties look like parking tickets.

this team official said he would expect a 1 yr suspension for Vrabel and Robinson, loss of 1st round pick and a huge fine
wouldn't the easiest and harshest punishment to forfeit those games? their recklessness is creating havoc for the rest of the schedule

then again, this is Goodell we're talking about here...
 

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wouldn't the easiest and harshest punishment to forfeit those games? their recklessness is creating havoc for the rest of the schedule

then again, this is Goodell we're talking about here...
In addition to the pay, there are competitive issues regarding giving the opposing team a win. I'm not saying it should be off the table but not sure it is that easy. Suspensions, draft picks and fines can be severe enough punishment. I think forfeits are last resort.
 

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In addition to the pay, there are competitive issues regarding giving the opposing team a win. I'm not saying it should be off the table but not sure it is that easy. Suspensions, draft picks and fines can be severe enough punishment. I think forfeits are last resort.
And the biggest issue of course is the TV networks, who would be increasingly angry if games just started dropping from the schedule altogether.
 

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In addition to the pay, there are competitive issues regarding giving the opposing team a win. I'm not saying it should be off the table but not sure it is that easy. Suspensions, draft picks and fines can be severe enough punishment. I think forfeits are last resort.
The Patriots Unfiltered crew (Paul Perillo again) said on their podcast that the understanding is forfeits in this case would provide a loss to the forfeiting team, but the "other" team would not get a win, it would just be no game.
 

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The Patriots Unfiltered crew (Paul Perillo again) said on their podcast that the understanding is forfeits in this case would provide a loss to the forfeiting team, but the "other" team would not get a win, it would just be no game.
But that could hurt the "winning" team down the road in playoff seeding tiebreaker
 

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The Patriots Unfiltered crew (Paul Perillo again) said on their podcast that the understanding is forfeits in this case would provide a loss to the forfeiting team, but the "other" team would not get a win, it would just be no game.
So if it is week 17 and you are the division leader playing the second-place team, and you are a game ahead, and the other team won the first meeting....you should have an outbreak and forfeit.
 

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But that could hurt the "winning" team down the road in playoff seeding tiebreaker
I don't know if there is any easy answer (other than extending the season/Superbowl) and continuing to hope for reduced outbreaks. The Patriots and Vikings (and perhaps Chiefs) represent the best case outbreak scenario. With Gilmore & Cam sidelined but as of yet no one else (caveat: Murray) testing positive, the COVID issues are allowing the games to be played more or less within the week they are scheduled.
 

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Forfeits are a mess-- beyond just the issues with player's getting paid and TV networks losing games, think of this from the Pats standpoint.

They want Buffalo to lose to Tennessee. All of a sudden, Buffalo moves to 5-0 and doesn't have to play a game-- meanwhile, you're traveling day of game to start a backup QB in KC? How does THAT work?

You can pinpoint this week as when the money REALLY started to get affected-- Fox pays $750 million for TNF and gets 8 weeks of ratings domination in exchange for that money. And BudLight pays them for that exposure. They just lost an entire night of primetime on one of the biggest nights of the week in October staring a possibly unbeaten Bills team led by a captivating young QB that the league wants to market. Oh, and Bud Light pays a HUGE amount of money to sponsor that game that just went away.
That is F*ing with the money! In a MAJOR way!

I know for a fact that all networks have been told to be ready for changes, and flexibility is the watchword this year, and everyone is playing nice. But this is now hitting the bottomline, make no mistake about it. And if these delays and changes can be traced to Mike Vrabel not managing his team properly, and them practicing when they shouldn't be, they deserve EVERYTHING that's coming to them.
 

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Jason McCourty not pulling any punches with the NFL or NFLPA:

https://nesn.com/2020/10/jason-mccourty-has-realized-nfl-nflpa-dont-care-about-player-safety/
And that’s because, as Jason McCourty said, the NFL and NFL Players Association “don’t care” about player safety during the pandemic.

“Obviously, starting with last week, being forced to fly out and play in a game and fly back was definitely not an ideal situation at all,” McCourty said. “Takes a toll on your body, you fly back and then obviously throughout the course of this week with everything COVID-related that’s happened with our team, here we are — I guess two days out from our game getting our first practice in. So, I know for myself as an older guy who tries to — I would say — represent the rest of the guys in the locker room on calls this week with the (NFLPA) and trying to figure out who has our best interests in mind. And I will say kind of throughout all of this, the realization that it’s not a league-wide thing. It’s kind of a team thing. For us in this locker room, this is what we have between the players and coaches, administration, the staff, it’s up to us to kind of take care of one another to make sure physically, we’re all set, make sure mentally.

“Because I think outside of here the people that don’t have to walk in our building, whether it’s the league office, or whether it’s the NFLPA, they don’t care. I mean, we’re trying to get games played and we’re trying to get the season going. So for them, it’s not about what’s in our best interest, our health and safety. It’s about, ‘What can we make protocol-wise that sounds good, looks good. How can we go out there and play games?’ So, I think what I kind of learned personally throughout this situation, it’s going to be up to us as the individuals in this building to just really take care of one another.”
Sounds like the NFL learned all of the wrong lessons from the way this country has handled COVID-19 from day one. There is no plan besides "plow forward." It's every team for themselves.
 

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I thought that plow forward was probably the plan from the beginning. Unless you seal it off like the NBA you are going to have issues, and if you keep interrupting and postponing you risk never getting through. And this is a league that used replacement players for three games and amateur refs for several weeks as well