Yup but have to think he thinks its time especially with the end pretty much here.
Hey now, he was a head coach! Briefly.This hurts but I also wish Scar live a hundred years.
Thank you, future Hall of Famer. Possibly the best positional coach ever not to have been a HC.
Coached for 100% of their wins in 1992. (Which in hindsight almost cost them a chance at Bledsoe)Hey now, he was a head coach! Briefly.
He was on Pat McCafee YouTube show. He reiterated his wish to set up his son (named Trae Ledgend Van Noy) for life. Didn't sound like he was going to give a discount. Obviously, I hope a deal can be made out between KVN and BB.This feels a little like a change in tune. I still expect him to leave though.
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I feel like he could do that with any amountHe was on Pat McCafee YouTube show. He reiterated his wish to set up his son (named Trae Ledgend Van Noy) for life. Didn't sound like he was going to give a discount. Obviously, I hope a deal can be made out between KVN and BB.
I'm not sure how I missed this but it really annoys me. I like Doug a lot but I'm so sick of NFL media coverage recently. Particularly on Twitter. The Brady coverage has been so ridiculous with regards to where he's going / where he's ending up. I know this isn't the Brady thread but to me it's more about media speculation. People like to throw stuff at the wall and hope it sticks more than usual these past few years.
Not sure what "news" can be had at this point in the season. Frankly, throwing out DA's name echos my feeling that Pats should have brought him back last year.I'm not sure how I missed this but it really annoys me. I like Doug a lot but I'm so sick of NFL media coverage recently. Particularly on Twitter. The Brady coverage has been so ridiculous with regards to where he's going / where he's ending up. I know this isn't the Brady thread but to me it's more about media speculation. People like to throw stuff at the wall and hope it sticks more than usual these past few years.
I would give up a first, maybe with a sweetener. His contract is very reasonable with 4 years and $47M left. Pats would get him for 4 years of control for his ages 27-30 seasons. A first round pick would obviously have control for up to 5 years at a cheaper value, but the guy is a star.
Lots of excellent receivers available in the first round. Plus a lot of freed up cap space can address other needs as well.The problem is this: why would Minnesota trade Diggs at this point? They have a lot of ways to create cap space by releasing other players such as Linval Joseph($10.4 million), Riley Reiff, and Xavier Rhodes(both between 8 and 9 million).
They are at like -$12M in cap space. Even cutting all 3 of those guys may not be enough to field a team in 2020.The problem is this: why would Minnesota trade Diggs at this point? They have a lot of ways to create cap space by releasing other players such as Linval Joseph($10.4 million), Riley Reiff, and Xavier Rhodes(both between 8 and 9 million).
Pats could trade Harry + a mid round pick... if the Vikings like Harry. I'd still give up a first plus extra if they don'tLots of excellent receivers available in the first round. Plus a lot of freed up cap space can address other needs as well.
Of course, the Patriots could do the same thing but they just did this with Harry last year and BB MUST know that he doesn't have a great track record drafting WRs. Plus, Brady would rather work with quality veterans than break in rookies.
So it makes sense for both teams.
Cap space aside, MIN is a run heavy team, so having Diggs and Thielen is maybe not the best use of resources. Add in Diggs’ apparent unhappiness in MIN and a need to create cap space, and a package of a 1st rounder+ could look appealing. With even mediocre receivers cracking $10mn, the Pats wouldn’t be the only team interested, so I’d imagine the price is high.The problem is this: why would Minnesota trade Diggs at this point? They have a lot of ways to create cap space by releasing other players such as Linval Joseph($10.4 million), Riley Reiff, and Xavier Rhodes(both between 8 and 9 million).
OTC has the Vikings with like $1 million in cap space. Still in cap jail though.They are at like -$12M in cap space. Even cutting all 3 of those guys may not be enough to field a team in 2020.
I wonder if that has to do with Everson Griffen. Per Barnwell:OTC has the Vikings with like $1 million in cap space. Still in cap jail though.
Bingo. He opted out today.I wonder if that has to do with Everson Griffen. Per Barnwell:
Minnesota would instantly get under the cap if Everson Griffen exercises his right to opt out of his deal, which would free up $13 million in room.
Ah thanks. So while they are under the cap... they lost a very good playerBingo. He opted out today.
Kyed (I think) said he's on the Pats "watch list".Snacks Harrison released by Detroit. Possible cheap Shelton replacement?
Well, I love his name that’s for sure.Snacks Harrison released by Detroit. Possible cheap Shelton replacement?
Well, Potroast didn't fare well in Foxboro.Well, I love his name that’s for sure.
Interesting target, depending on the draft pick cost - he was the #25 pick two years ago, but sits 3rd on the Ravens depth chart (though Andrews, Boyle, and Hurst all saw meaningful snaps). Per PFF, he grades out in the same area as Henry and Ebron, and a bit weaker than Hooper (but similar receiver grade), though the bulk of his value is as a receiver with mediocre marks as a run blocker. If SMU’s reservations about the TE class match what the Pats think and they don’t want to spend $7mn+ on a FA, Hurst could end up being a better use of draft capital. 2 years of control at minimal cap cost ($1.5mn and $2.0mn guaranteed base salary in 2020-21).
I won't be convinced until he is seen renting a car at Logan. Seriously though I'm sure he's just consulting and/or helping with this one last thing.
They don't have a second so does a third get this done? Third and seventh?Interesting target, depending on the draft pick cost - he was the #25 pick two years ago, but sits 3rd on the Ravens depth chart (though Andrews, Boyle, and Hurst all saw meaningful snaps). Per PFF, he grades out in the same area as Henry and Ebron, and a bit weaker than Hooper (but similar receiver grade), though the bulk of his value is as a receiver with mediocre marks as a run blocker. If SMU’s reservations about the TE class match what the Pats think and they don’t want to spend $7mn+ on a FA, Hurst could end up being a better use of draft capital. 2 years of control at minimal cap cost ($1.5mn and $2.0mn guaranteed base salary in 2020-21).
I didn't mean to imply that he is back coaching. I just take any help / consulting services as a positive.I won't be convinced until he is seen renting a car at Logan. Seriously though I'm sure he's just consulting and/or helping with this one last thing.
This discussion of Hayden Hurst reminded me of this story on him that I read just a few days ago. Apparently, he tried to commit suicide when he was in college. He had some serious depression that seemingly was triggered after failing as a minor league baseball player in the Pirates' system. Now, he's speaking publicly about his mental health struggles. If nothing else, seems like a good dude from a good family.Interesting target, depending on the draft pick cost - he was the #25 pick two years ago, but sits 3rd on the Ravens depth chart (though Andrews, Boyle, and Hurst all saw meaningful snaps). Per PFF, he grades out in the same area as Henry and Ebron, and a bit weaker than Hooper (but similar receiver grade), though the bulk of his value is as a receiver with mediocre marks as a run blocker. If SMU’s reservations about the TE class match what the Pats think and they don’t want to spend $7mn+ on a FA, Hurst could end up being a better use of draft capital. 2 years of control at minimal cap cost ($1.5mn and $2.0mn guaranteed base salary in 2020-21).
He would need to be paired with a better blocking TE, but if the Pats like him and think he would be a system fit, I'd probably give up a 4th or 5th rd pick for him. Will get two cheap years to see what he can do. I know he was a first round pick not long ago, but he's a backup, catch-first TE who has only caught 43 passes in two years. He's expendable to the Ravens because he can't block as well as Boyle, and he's not as good a pass-catcher as Andrews (who saw 59 more targets than Hurst, despite playing the same number of snaps). I think a third round pick would be too rich. If somebody else wants to pay that price, good for them.They don't have a second so does a third get this done? Third and seventh?
I honestly have very little ability to judge NFL trade value, but a 4th or 5th rounder feels like a pretty cheap flier for a guy who has demonstrated actual NFL ability. He’s 3rd on the Ravens depth chart, but a bit unique in that their TE depth chart is fairly stacked. Given where decent free agent options are going to be paid, a 3rd for him and 2 cheap years seems reasonable to me and I wouldn’t be at all upset if Bill did that. Of course, since I’d do that, the real cost is probably higher...He would need to be paired with a better blocking TE, but if the Pats like him and think he would be a system fit, I'd probably give up a 4th or 5th rd pick for him. Will get two cheap years to see what he can do. I know he was a first round pick not long ago, but he's a backup, catch-first TE who has only caught 43 passes in two years. He's expendable to the Ravens because he can't block as well as Boyle, and he's not as good a pass-catcher as Andrews (who saw 59 more targets than Hurst, despite playing the same number of snaps). I think a third round pick would be too rich. If somebody else wants to pay that price, good for them.
I'm in the same boat on judging trade value. A 3rd just feels like where I would likely draw the line. Seems like I'd rather have the third round guy at a cheap price for 4 years than Hurst for 2 cheap years. But, the Pats should be desperate at that position, and the draft class sounds less than promising at TE. So, maybe I'm way off and the market for Hurst would yield the Ravens a better pick than I imagine.I honestly have very little ability to judge NFL trade value, but a 4th or 5th rounder feels like a pretty cheap flier for a guy who has demonstrated actual NFL ability. He’s 3rd on the Ravens depth chart, but a bit unique in that their TE depth chart is fairly stacked. Given where decent free agent options are going to be paid, a 3rd for him and 2 cheap years seems reasonable to me and I wouldn’t be at all upset if Bill did that. Of course, since I’d do that, the real cost is probably higher...
The thing with TE though is even if there was a slam-dunk guy to fall to them like a Hock last year tight ends rarely produce in year 1. Now I'd argue that maybe one of these 6 could be a starting complete TE (Kmet, Trautman, Pinkney, Parkinson, Asiasi, O'Grady) but all have their warts and some way more than others. Not only is there risk that they might not get there but getting there in year 1 is extraordinarily rare.Interesting target, depending on the draft pick cost - he was the #25 pick two years ago, but sits 3rd on the Ravens depth chart (though Andrews, Boyle, and Hurst all saw meaningful snaps). Per PFF, he grades out in the same area as Henry and Ebron, and a bit weaker than Hooper (but similar receiver grade), though the bulk of his value is as a receiver with mediocre marks as a run blocker. If SMU’s reservations about the TE class match what the Pats think and they don’t want to spend $7mn+ on a FA, Hurst could end up being a better use of draft capital. 2 years of control at minimal cap cost ($1.5mn and $2.0mn guaranteed base salary in 2020-21).
The Ravens also finished 32nd in pass attempts. Hurst wound up as the team's third-leading receiver by yardage.Not that PFF is gospel, but he was their 14th ranked TE and played over 30 snaps a game (it just so happened that #2 and #11 were also on his team). He hasn’t put up huge counting stats, but it’s not like he’s a completely unknown quantity without any film out there. He played and he played well, he just gave snaps to two better guys. I think the NFL is largely sophisticated enough at this point that being a “third string TE” won’t devalue him. If the TE draft class is weak, I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s decent demand for him.
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