2020 Pats: Cam Can't Cook

cshea

Member
SoSH Member
Nov 15, 2006
26,594
306, row 14
Liked that one play to Izzo but man would LOVE to see Asiasi and Keane start getting involved in the offense. I know it's a huge transition from college but it seems like TE production is still something that could really complement this scheme.
Aren't they both on IR?
 

wilked

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 17, 2005
2,253
What do you guys think of that short throw in the end zone to a wide open WR (who was that?) elements, just one of those things? That was a big miss
 

BostonFanInCanesLand

Member
SoSH Member
Jun 16, 2011
411
Asiasi will be eligible to play against the Cardinals, Keene the following week (start of 3 consecutive road games).

I’m hoping Jordan Thomas flashes something this week (against his former team).
 

SeoulSoxFan

I Want to Hit the World with Rocket Punch
Dope
Jun 27, 2006
20,654
A Scud Away from Hell
What do you guys think of that short throw in the end zone to a wide open WR (who was that?) elements, just one of those things? That was a big miss
It looked like he hurried that throw, caused bad footwork (again) and couldn't step into it. I'll leave it up to the experts on this forum, however.
 

steveluck7

Member
SoSH Member
May 10, 2007
3,353
Burrillville, RI
I couldn't really tell from the available replay angles but, from what i saw, while Myers was open, there was a good amount of traffic in between he and Cam so the throw was a bit tighter than it seemed.
 

Jimbodandy

Member
SoSH Member
Jan 31, 2006
4,216
around the way
I couldn't really tell from the available replay angles but, from what i saw, while Myers was open, there was a good amount of traffic in between he and Cam so the throw was a bit tighter than it seemed.
Yeah one of those replays showed a damn tight angle through traffic, with an LB or S sitting on Cam's eyes. It was a much harder throw than it looked like, and he squeezed it a bit.
 

DJnVa

Dorito Dawg
SoSH Member
Dec 16, 2010
42,393
Yeah--Meyers was "open", but there was traffic between Cam and him.
 

Super Nomario

Member
SoSH Member
Nov 5, 2000
12,943
Mansfield MA
I blame it on Myers who stopped in the end zone, if he kept running Cam could have led him. Instead he saw the traffic closing in between him and Myers.
I just watched it again; Meyers didn't stop. He was running until the throw was behind him and then he had to slip down.
 

wilked

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 17, 2005
2,253
Yeah it looked to me that it was a throw that could have been off due to a wet football. Regardless, it was a poor throw.
Cam gave an interview today, said throwing that particular pass felt like a 'medicine ball' and that he knew as soon as it left his hand it was short.
 

BigSoxFan

Member
SoSH Member
May 31, 2007
36,456
Man the 2017 draft picks for the Pats did not pan out. I had high hopes for Rivers but too many injuries. He played in just 15 games and his career high was 24 snaps in a game.
Important to remember that the Pats didn’t pick until the 3rd round. Of course, they sandwiched 2 busts around Chris Godwin.
 

bigq

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 15, 2005
5,756
Important to remember that the Pats didn’t pick until the 3rd round. Of course, they sandwiched 2 busts around Chris Godwin.
Right. The 1st round pick for Cooks worked out well. The 2nd round pick for Kony Ealy not so much.
 

scottyno

Member
SoSH Member
Dec 7, 2008
6,973
Man the 2017 draft picks for the Pats did not pan out. I had high hopes for Rivers but too many injuries. He played in just 15 games and his career high was 24 snaps in a game.
Not that it's great, but they only had 4 picks, 3 mid and 1 late, and Wise has been a decent player for them
 

Seels

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 20, 2005
3,467
NH
He also has no accuracy on even the simplest of throws. What did he have 6 passes in the dirt?

Play Stidham, for better or worse - what's the difference at this point
 

Harry Hooper

Well-Known Member
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Jan 4, 2002
27,583
Pats giving Cam a shot made sense, but I don't want to see him take another snap at QB.

Stidham or Dolegala out there from now on.
 

cornwalls@6

Less observant than others
SoSH Member
Apr 23, 2010
2,098
from the wilds of western ma
His lack of accuracy and touch on short throws is brutal. Bouncing passes to the backs, air-mailing short outs, and even some of his completions on mid-yardage crossing routes are bad throws, failing to lead receivers, and sacrificing RAC and YAC. To say nothing of his atrocious lack of feel for pressure in the pocket. I've seen enough. There's nothing to be gained by continuing to roll him out there, even if in their heart of hearts they don't think Stid is a long term option. Give him some extended game action, and find out for sure.
 
Last edited:

Ralphwiggum

Well-Known Member
Gold Supporter
SoSH Member
Jun 27, 2012
6,558
Needham, MA
On top of all of that they have completely gone away from using Cam’s athleticism. No RPOs, barely even a designed rollout. He either hands the ball off or it’s a straight drop back pass. If there’s no threat of Cam hurting you by running or scrambling I’m not sure of the point of continuing to play him.
 

8slim

Member
SoSH Member
Nov 6, 2001
15,566
Unreal America
It just occurred to me: Cam reminds me of late-career Bledsoe. Does enough things right to put up some stats but fails at so many basic things that the team loses again and again.
That occured to me as well...


Cam reminds me of late stage Bledsoe, in the sense that he’ll still make some outstanding throws, but too often will tank plays in a way that is unacceptable for an NFL QB1. Some of those bounced passes today were bewildering.
 

54thMA

Member
SoSH Member
Aug 15, 2012
7,044
Westwood MA
On top of all of that they have completely gone away from using Cam’s athleticism. No RPOs, barely even a designed rollout. He either hands the ball off or it’s a straight drop back pass. If there’s no threat of Cam hurting you by running or scrambling I’m not sure of the point of continuing to play him.
This.

They have completely abandoned the RPO.

I don't get it.
 

bsj

Renegade Crazed Genius
SoSH Member
Dec 6, 2003
19,702
Central NJ SoSH Chapter
I want nothing to do with Cam next year. He makes this team almost unwatchable. We went from a guy who is the best I have ever seen at coming up big in big situations to one of the worst. Big drive coming up, I know we can turn it off because he will find a way to lose.
 

bigq

Member
SoSH Member
Jul 15, 2005
5,756
This.

They have completely abandoned the RPO.

I don't get it.
Maybe it’s just me but Cam looks slow and plodding when he runs. Could be that he has lost a step and RPO is not viable.
 

richgedman'sghost

Well-Known Member
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
May 13, 2006
1,527
ct
Its like I'm watching the 1999 Patriots with Cam as Drew Bledsoe except we have a better coach in BB than Pete Carroll. This is miserable. Being 8-8 or 7-9 is a waste of time especially when you have no QB of the future. They really need a top 5 pick to get a QB.
I asked the question earlier in the thread. How the heck do we know if Jarrett is any good or not? We have only seen him in blowouts. I actually thought he looked decent against KC. What proof do you have he sucks?
 

54thMA

Member
SoSH Member
Aug 15, 2012
7,044
Westwood MA
Maybe it’s just me but Cam looks slow and plodding when he runs. Could be that he has lost a step and RPO is not viable.
I thought he looked pretty good in the Miami game, but maybe you're right.

That loss today pretty much closes the door on the playoffs.
 

54thMA

Member
SoSH Member
Aug 15, 2012
7,044
Westwood MA
Its like I'm watching the 1999 Patriots with Cam as Drew Bledsoe except we have a better coach in BB than Pete Carroll. This is miserable. Being 8-8 or 7-9 is a waste of time especially when you have no QB of the future. They really need a top 5 pick to get a QB.
The way they are trending, 6-10, 5-11 is still on the table.

Not sure what that gets you.

Cam has been a disappointment, but to me, the front 7 has been a disaster, zero pressure today, all day to throw.
 
Apr 24, 2019
563
On top of all of that they have completely gone away from using Cam’s athleticism. No RPOs, barely even a designed rollout. He either hands the ball off or it’s a straight drop back pass. If there’s no threat of Cam hurting you by running or scrambling I’m not sure of the point of continuing to play him.
This AND - at this point it’s hard to imagine Cam coming back because there’s such a clear sense that he’s not the right kind of QB for this system, which depends so much on awareness, being “on time,” a Real sense of rhythm, etc... So, given that, why the hell not run him into the ground with RPOs or more planned scrambles? We don’t have to worry about putting too much tire on the tread or risking injury to a key piece now and down the road. If you’re going to play him, of course try our best to run our system and do whatever it takes to win (since that’s how BB is wired), but just let him run, don’t worry about getting too reckless with his body.
 

mauf

Anderson Cooper × Mr. Rogers
Staff member
Dope
Its like I'm watching the 1999 Patriots with Cam as Drew Bledsoe except we have a better coach in BB than Pete Carroll. This is miserable. Being 8-8 or 7-9 is a waste of time especially when you have no QB of the future. They really need a top 5 pick to get a QB.
Were any of the league’s current elite QBs top-5 picks? Mahomes, Wilson, Rodgers, Watson, Jackson, Allen ... a couple top-10s in there, but no top 5s. Maybe I’m missing something.

They’re all 1st rounders except Wilson, so you do have to place a bet at some point, but you don’t need to tank and destroy your culture.
 

Papelbon's Poutine

Homeland Security
SoSH Member
Dec 4, 2005
19,615
Portsmouth, NH
Were any of the league’s current elite QBs top-5 picks? Mahomes, Wilson, Rodgers, Watson, Jackson, Allen ... a couple top-10s in there, but no top 5s. Maybe I’m missing something.

They’re all 1st rounders except Wilson, so you do have to place a bet at some point, but you don’t need to tank and destroy your culture.
Mahomes isn't top 5? Wow, what's your top 5?
 

Marbleheader

Dope
Dope
Sep 27, 2004
10,515
By the time the 4th quarter rolled around, I was rooting for the loss. It would have been nice to see them try to make thins interesting, but it's clear this team is going nowhere. Yesterday had the added benefit of both helping their draft position and hurting Miami's.
 

E5 Yaz

Transcends message boarding
Lifetime Member
SoSH Member
Apr 25, 2002
66,410
Oregon
By the time the 4th quarter rolled around, I was rooting for the loss. It would have been nice to see them try to make thins interesting, but it's clear this team is going nowhere. .
Agreed ... I just wish I had confidence that those making the draft picks could figure out the TE/WR positions.
 

54thMA

Member
SoSH Member
Aug 15, 2012
7,044
Westwood MA
I could not get over the play where a DB charged the line so hard that he actually was offsides for a second, reset stood at the line, and still got the sack...how do you not see that and adjust.
Was that the play that was some sort of gadget play and I think Harry blew right past the defender and let him walk in and make the sack?
 

Dollar

Member
SoSH Member
May 5, 2006
8,386
I could not get over the play where a DB charged the line so hard that he actually was offsides for a second, reset stood at the line, and still got the sack...how do you not see that and adjust.
Agreed, that was ridiculous. And the worst part was that wasn't even the first time it's happened this season, I feel like I've seen it a handful of times.

Brady gets a lot of well-deserved credit for how great he is at football, but I think he remains criminally underrated when it comes to setting pre-snap protection, calling an audible out of a doomed play, and moving his blockers around. It's the reason we never really saw stuff like that with Brady where an obvious blitzer comes unblocked and gets to him. However, Cam does none of that well.