2020 NFL: Wk.5 Game Thread

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Is that what they did to Belichick last week when he touched base with Andy Reid post-game?
Why are you so worked up?

The NFL apparently sent a memo out after last week reinforcing the postgame rules and threatening punishment.

I mean, your guy beat him in Super Bow and won tonight--enjoy it.
 

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The Bucs will be fine but you can see where the cracks are. No James White-type player hurts Brady more than I thought it would. Vaughn isn't ready yet, McCoy is cooked, RoJo has stone hands, Fournette can't stay healthy and might be a big name JAG anyways. If he's healthy next week I think working dump offs to him into the passing game is imperative. Evans is a thousand times better than any 2019 Patriot but you can see the drives stall out the same exact way they did for us last year and the lack of both a true safety blanket and a threat to get back a big chunk on 2nd and long is going to kill them.
 
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The Bucs will be fine but you can see where the cracks are. No James White-type player hurts Brady more than I thought it would. Vaughn isn't readythem yet, McCoy is cooked, RoJo has stone hands, Fournette can't stay healthy and might be a big name JAG anyways. If he's healthy next week I think working dump offs to him into the passing game is imperative. Evans is a thousand times better than any 2019 Patriot but you can see the drives stall out the same exact way they did for us last year and the lack of both a true safety blanket and a threat to get back a big chunk on 2nd and long is going to kill them.
The safety blanket will be Chris Godwin if he ever gets healthy. That’s the missing ingredient in this offense. Agree that Brady could use a better pass catching RB.
 

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The safety blanket will be Chris Godwin if he ever gets healthy. That’s the missing ingredient in this offense. Agree that Brady could use a better pass catching RB.
White or Burkhead in that offense would change it dramatically
 

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Why are you so worked up?

The NFL apparently sent a memo out after last week reinforcing the postgame rules and threatening punishment.

I mean, your guy beat him in Super Bow and won tonight--enjoy it.
I’m not worked up at all. You said that if TB met postgame that the NFL would do all sorts of bad things to him, seemingly because he was a Patriot or something. We’ve seen players do the postgame thing every game and so far as I know no punishment has happened. Belichick met with Reid, no punishment.

I’m just saying that TB running off the field rather than doing the quick postgame thing that a ton of players did tonight was a punk move. I do not for one second think Tom was simply respecting the NFL’s wishes. If you and others here really believe that...alrighty then.
 

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White or Burkhead in that offense would change it dramatically
Yup. Although none of it will matter if their OTs block like they did tonight. Mack is obviously a handful but that was a really ugly stretch. When Tom has time this year, he’s been very good. But tonight at the end he got jittery.
 

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I just don’t understand how anyone can root against Tom Brady or relish in his failures. Boggles my mind.
 

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I just don’t understand how anyone can root against Tom Brady or relish in his failures. Boggles my mind.
Agreed but I also can’t understand how anyone can enjoy watching him do well with someone else. If I broke up w my gf I wouldn’t stalk her on insta afterwards to see pics of her w her new man. And Brady meant more to me than any girl possibly could
 

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I have no gripe with TB12 running off the field... though last week after beating the Chargers and stuck around as a ton of Chargers players Practically lined up to shake his hand and say hello.
 

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I’m just saying that TB running off the field rather than doing the quick postgame thing that a ton of players did tonight was a punk move.
This is kind of a stretch though. It’s the leagues rule this season that was reinforced two weeks ago due to players still meeting and shaking hands.
 
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No.

Edit: Maybe a 3rd for Burk Rexhead. But I lean towards a firm no. Too much value to the Pats for both and a position where they need depth. See WR & TE thread.
 

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Agreed but I also can’t understand how anyone can enjoy watching him do well with someone else. If I broke up w my gf I wouldn’t stalk her on insta afterwards to see pics of her w her new man. And Brady meant more to me than any girl possibly could
I couldn't care less how the Buccs do, but the reveling in any little failure because he wanted to play somewhere else after 20 years is weird. At least some people are consistent and have been hating on the guy here since 2013, I guess.

The Buccs will probably be OK. Thursday game, limited to no practice for all of their WRs and Godwin was out. They were basically a middle of the road team last year and they've shown potential to be a little better than that this year. Wild Card and possibly some noise in the playoffs, but they're like the 5th best team in their conference.

I do think Brady has made them better, which is pretty crazy for a 43 year old QB. Can't see this season apart doing anything but upping the estimation of both Brady and Belichick.
 

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Agreed but I also can’t understand how anyone can enjoy watching him do well with someone else. If I broke up w my gf I wouldn’t stalk her on insta afterwards to see pics of her w her new man. And Brady meant more to me than any girl possibly could
A lot of people have done this, not just you, but it's weird how so many people are comparing Tom Brady to women they used to date.

It's not just weird, it's creepy and it is not apt. Tom Brady didn't break your heart by cheating on you with some other dude. He switched teams in the NFL after 20 years. The fact that so many people are comparing Brady to lost love leads me to believe people should be a little more understanding of his motives and his move.
 

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A lot of people have done this, not just you, but it's weird how so many people are comparing Tom Brady to women they used to date.

It's not just weird, it's creepy and it is not apt. Tom Brady didn't break your heart by cheating on you with some other dude. He switched teams in the NFL after 20 years. The fact that so many people are comparing Brady to lost love leads me to believe people should be a little more understanding of his motives and his move.
Being a passionate football fan is not rational, nor necessarily sane...there have been many scholarly articles written on the subject and the reaction here is "normal".
 

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Being a passionate football fan is not rational, nor necessarily sane...there have been many scholarly articles written on the subject and the reaction here is "normal".
It's not normal to come up with convoluted examples about how Tom Brady used to be your wife or girlfriend.
 

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It's not normal to come up with convoluted examples about how Tom Brady used to be your wife or girlfriend.
I would think you are smart enough to know that folks are simply drawing analogies...perhaps the analogies are clumsy, but comparing the passion felt as a fan to "love" is not uncommon
 

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Watching Tom play for the Bucs is this odd detached experience where I want him to play well but cheer when he throws an INT, especially a pick-6.

I'm sure there are psychological studies why some folks feel this way or how watching a player once rooted for can be compared to past romantic endeavors.

What I can't deny is that I definitely would like the Pats do better than Tampa, whether it'd be advancing further in the playoffs or simply finishing with a better record.

Circumstances are different but I do remember rooting the hell out of Bourque to win with the Avalanche. I also didn't mind him coming back to Boston with the Stanley Cup, a bit of a controversy at the time. If Brady had played with NE for 20 years and never won a Lombardi, perhaps I'll feel the same way about #12 now.
 

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Watching Tom play for the Bucs is this odd detached experience where I want him to play well but cheer when he throws an INT, especially a pick-6.

I'm sure there are psychological studies why some folks feel this way or how watching a player once rooted for can be compared to past romantic endeavors.

What I can't deny is that I definitely would like the Pats do better than Tampa, whether it'd be advancing further in the playoffs or simply finishing with a better record.

Circumstances are different but I do remember rooting the hell out of Bourque to win with the Avalanche. I also didn't mind him coming back to Boston with the Stanley Cup, a bit of a controversy at the time. If Brady had played with NE for 20 years and never won a Lombardi, perhaps I'll feel the same way about #12 now.
Yeah it's not remotely comparable because A) Bourque had never won a single title and B) the city of Boston had gone 10 years without a title. We don't need to celebrate someone's success outside of this city because any player now in a different city has probably already won a title in Boston. We are so ridiculously spoiled that we don't have to celebrate titles elsewhere.

I will say it is interesting in comparison to say Pedro, who we all were rooting for after he left, although part of that may have been him playing against the MFY in the World Series.
 

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I will say it is interesting in comparison to say Pedro, who we all were rooting for after he left, although part of that may have been him playing against the MFY in the World Series.
True. Despite what I posted just a few minutes ago, I can see myself rooting for Brady if they made it to the SB and the Pats did not.

I'd rather have him win a title than say, the Chiefs (squash that dynasty talk), Ravens (f*ck Harbaugh), Bills (oh no, not a team from the AFCE), Colts (f*ck the entire organization), and definitely, definitely not the Steelers (y'all know why). The only team I can possibly root for may be the Browns and even that's a stretch.
 

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True. Despite what I posted just a few minutes ago, I can see myself rooting for Brady if they made it to the SB and the Pats did not.

I'd rather have him win a title than say, the Chiefs (squash that dynasty talk), Ravens (f*ck Harbaugh), Bills (oh no, not a team from the AFCE), Colts (f*ck the entire organization), and definitely, definitely not the Steelers (y'all know why). The only team I can possibly root for may be the Browns and even that's a stretch.
I can cheer the Titans on
 
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The gift of Tom Brady on the Patriots from 2000-2019 - the titles, the moments, the drama, the stories, the hard work, the “laser focus!” leadership, the bullshit with the league and the mix of fight and grace it brought out in him...the EVERYTHING - makes it, for me anyway, impossible to feel remotely like rooting against him, especially given the unwillingness of BB to extend him slightly longer term (whether or not you believe he should’ve extended a 43 year old). It‘s hard for me to feel scorned by “an ex-“ or whatever, it’s not like the guy shot his way out of town. What the hell do I know, of course, but I believe if BB had shown his version of “love“ and been willing to sign TB12 to a 3-year deal for, say, even 70 mill, Brady would have happily retired a Patriot.

I will always, always root for Brady to play well and to win (unless he’s playing the Pats), although the one thing I have noticed is that I’m not nearly as stressed as I am, snap to snap, when watching Tampa play. It’s easy to mock him for the four fingers, and I imagine he’s super frustrated to play for a coach who’s unable to instill a sense of discipline on his 53, but I wouldn’t bet against Brady having a terrific season, especially once the weapons are back and/or not so banged up. I look forward to watching. (Gronk, too, but less.)

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I was definitely hoping Brady would be mediocre but watching the Bucs I've been rooting for him/them more than not. I still don't want them near the super bowl though - outside of the Chiefs, Ravens, Steelers, and NY teams (lol) I'd probably pick against them in any other playoff/SB matchup. Bills? Definitely.
 
I was definitely hoping Brady would be mediocre but watching the Bucs I've been rooting for him/them more than not.
Same trajectory here. Was tough to watch the 2nd half of that Chargers game and not feel the same thrill of, "he's not going to lose this damn game!" 5 TDs, in total command of the game-- we don't get to see that all the time in football, no matter who you root for. It's football played at the highest possible level, and that will never not be compelling.

Did chuckle at the 4th Down on Thursday, though. Overall, he's still easy to root for, but that Tampa team is tougher to embrace for all the reasons listed above-- personalities, discipline, baffling decision making...
 

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Watching Tom play for the Bucs is this odd detached experience where I want him to play well but cheer when he throws an INT, especially a pick-6.

I'm sure there are psychological studies why some folks feel this way or how watching a player once rooted for can be compared to past romantic endeavors.

What I can't deny is that I definitely would like the Pats do better than Tampa, whether it'd be advancing further in the playoffs or simply finishing with a better record.

Circumstances are different but I do remember rooting the hell out of Bourque to win with the Avalanche. I also didn't mind him coming back to Boston with the Stanley Cup, a bit of a controversy at the time. If Brady had played with NE for 20 years and never won a Lombardi, perhaps I'll feel the same way about #12 now.
This is pretty much where I am.
The one thing I have against TB12 in all this is the complaint not sure if it was directly from him or relayed from someone in his "camp" that he objected to still being criticized by Belichick. That principle of universal accountability has, supposedly been a cornerstone of the team's culture. "Damn, if he'll rip Tom Brady like that I'd better never miss a block. Holy shit." That probably got more buy in to the culture from lots of other players over the years. In the end, it probably got them better play from some of those players.
 

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Interesting. The Raiders returner signaled for the fair catch, but returned the ball anyway. Penalty, Raiders. Chiefs returner did the same thing against the Patriots, and magically no penalty was assessed.
 

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Fucco looks ok for Jesters so far but the WRs still can’t catch
 

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Carr throws a pick and definitely and 100% tackles the guy way out of bounds. But I guess the refs took mercy on him, no flag.
 

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I'm thinking pump the brakes on the "great" Pitt D takes. They've played the Giants, Broncos, and the Texans.
 

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Jets 3rd and 1 and you give the ball to the tight end playing fullback? Why does Adam Gase keep his job?