2020 NBA Draft

DannyDarwinism

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I don't like Pokusevski at 14, but I think he'd be fun late in the first. He might not last, though, but I like the idea of lottery tickets late in the first. Maybe one of them will pan out.

I think there's something to that, but if you're going to take a swing like that on a potentially high ceiling player with big bust potential, you'd better have some good intel on the guy's make up, because the flip side to KOC's "the Celtis are in such a great position that they can take a high risk chance" is that the Celtics also are going to need to get production from affordable contracts. That's why I like Grant and Clarke last year, and that's why I like Tillman and Bane this year- because I think there's a good chance they'll provide positive value on their rookie contracts.

Poku, if he pans out at all, screams "second contract guy" to me. Smart people love his skills, but that frame just has not worked in the NBA very often at all, and Ainge pretty clearly thinks strength is an important attribute. So if you think he's got the mental fortitude to persevere while getting pummeled by the Mook Morrises of the world, so that he's learning enough while his body fills out to make it worth picking up his third and fourth year options, then I'm all for taking the gamble. Bender is certainly the cautionary tale here, and while Poku's frame makes Dragan look like Ivan Drago, the kid's spine better be made of sterner stuff.
 

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Pokey is about 3” shorter and 40-50 lbs lighter than ‘Zingas was going into the draft. ‘Zingas also had more room to fill out.
 

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Pokey is about 3” shorter and 40-50 lbs lighter than ‘Zingas was going into the draft. ‘Zingas also had more room to fill out.
Is there a track record for anyone with his very slight build having succeeded in the league. His reported weight varies considerably from site to site, but just from the film and the photos, he makes Durant look like David Robinson.
 

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I think 'Zingas might have been a year or two older when drafted. Can make a big difference with these kids.
 

DannyDarwinism

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I think 'Zingas might have been a year or two older when drafted. Can make a big difference with these kids.
Yeah, I remember that he was potentially going to declare the year before, but he smartly stayed another year, filled out a bit more, and went high lotto. But yeah the track record is so bad with guys with his body type. I thought Anthony Randolph and Austin Daye going to be the shit. And people say the same thing in defense of Poku as they did them- “he’s a 7 foot guard, he doesn’t need to bang down low, he’ll just play on the perimeter and shot over everyone!”, ignoring that strength is important in so many other ways that we don’t really even see scrawny guards that much, and when we do, they’re insanely skilled and quick. So yeah, I’m a skeptic, but he does look pretty fun from the terrible quality highlights I’ve seen. If you could pump him full of HGH and lock him in the gym for a year, maybe he’s worth a draft and stash.
 

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Yeah, I remember that he was potentially going to declare the year before, but he smartly stayed another year, filled out a bit more, and went high lotto. But yeah the track record is so bad with guys with his body type. I thought Anthony Randolph and Austin Daye going to be the shit. And people say the same thing in defense of Poku as they did them- “he’s a 7 foot guard, he doesn’t need to bang down low, he’ll just play on the perimeter and shot over everyone!”, ignoring that strength is important in so many other ways that we don’t really even see scrawny guards that much, and when we do, they’re insanely skilled and quick. So yeah, I’m a skeptic, but he does look pretty fun from the terrible quality highlights I’ve seen. If you could pump him full of HGH and lock him in the gym for a year, maybe he’s worth a draft and stash.
Not at 14 though.
 

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Who was the skinniest successful guy in recent NBA history? Tayshaun Prince? Corey Brewer was very skinny but was basically a journeyman/role player on bad teams.
 

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Tayshaun was a four year player in college, so about three years older than KD as a rookie, but even in the pics of him at Kentucky, he looks significantly bigger than Poku. I think Austin Daye’s the closest guy, he had a decentish career and played on the perimeter. Brandon Ingram, who also had broader shoulders and a thicker chest, is there if you squint. The real twiggy guys are the giant shot blocking specialists who rarely left the paint- Manute, Shawn Bradley, the immortal Keith Closs- so they aren’t particularly useful as comps. Poku’s legs don’t look that bad, but that upper body is something I don’t ever remember seeing in the NBA. Zion would break him into a thousand pieces.
 

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Whenever I see Herro, and think of his being drafted #13 (aka every time I see him), I get physically ill. Tatum+Brown+Smart+Herro would be so ridiculous going forward...
Yep, liked both Kentucky guys just ahead of Romeo: Herro (13). PJ Washington (12).
Keldon Johnson (29) doesn't look bad for the SAS

2018 NBA draft had 2 Kentucky 1st Rounders: Knox (9) and SGA (11)
2017: Fox (5), Bam (14), Monk(11)

Calipari gets some great prospects, but they seem well-prepped for the NBA.

Quickley, SEC POY getting mocked in mid 2nd range is my late pick binky

 

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Quickley, SEC POY getting mocked in mid 2nd range is my late pick binky
I definitely wouldn't hate it at 47. I typically don't go for undersized SGs, but no question his shooting is absolutely elite. He could be the closest approximation to JJ Redick (peak JJ, from back when he was a competent defender) in this draft. Or maybe the guy I thought Malik Monk was going to be, with a little less off the bounce but better defense. Definitely needs to hit the weight room, but he looks like he has some length, so I think he can guard his share of NBA twos, and he seems pretty sharp off of the ball, on both ends. I don't know how much creation he can provide- I think Maxey breaking out probably sealed his fate with Cal as far as that role- but it's hard to tell with some of those Kentucky kids. Was great at getting to the line, but sucked at finishing at the rim and with his frame he's likely capped as a two-level scorer, but 40/90 3pt and FT% with solid defense in the SEC don't lie. The Sixers should be taking a hard look at him too.
 

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I’ve been trending toward thinking drafting Poku at 14 might make sense (or trading back up into the late teens to draft him there after taking a wing at 14). This team is going to be in a strong position to recruit veteran wings to compete for titles and is also well positioned with Romeo and Grant looking like good picks last year with the ability to help fill our our rotation. Another quality wing rotation player never hurts, but it’s not every draft you are in a position to gamble on a super high ceiling prospect, particularly when you basically have a locked in rotation for the next couple years. We are perfectly positioned to draft a player we know will not contribute for several years on the chance that if he can get his body to the NBA level, the skills are there.

Separately, what do people think of Paul Reed? He comes from a smaller program and is older, but looks like exactly the sort of athletic big wing you always need, has great defensive and rebounding instincts, and looks like he has room to add strength so that he can be a small 5. He’s been getting mocked late first/early second and could be a really solid pick at 30 and also someone who might still be around when we pick at 47.
 

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Wow am I old. I looked up Paul Reed and he went to Depaul. When I was a lad Depaul coached by Meyer (the elder) was one of the best programs in the country. Anyway carry on I'll check out his highlights. Actually one question here for the draft mavens. Any thought to getting another ball handler to groom behind Kemba? If so are there any folks who might be good value for us at 14? Or do we wait a year and hope Cade Cunningham gets to us? I'll hang up and listen.