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Surprising (to me) and impressive:

MLB Most Hits per Game
(min 2000 G, debuted since 1930)

1.29 Tony Gwynn
1.26 Derek Jeter
1.24 Paul Molitor
1.24 Rod Carew
1.23 Wade Boggs
1.23 Roberto Clemente
 

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Surprising (to me) and impressive:

MLB Most Hits per Game
(min 2000 G, debuted since 1930)

1.29 Tony Gwynn
1.26 Derek Jeter
1.24 Paul Molitor
1.24 Rod Carew
1.23 Wade Boggs
1.23 Roberto Clemente
Kirby Pucket was at 1.29 but only had 1,783 games. DiMaggio was at 1.28 but only had 1,736. Altuve is at 1.26 (infinitesimally ahead of Jeter) in his first 1,243 games. 8 guys are ahead of Gwynn who debuted pre-1930.
 

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Surprising (to me) and impressive:

MLB Most Hits per Game
(min 2000 G, debuted since 1930)

1.29 Tony Gwynn
1.26 Derek Jeter
1.24 Paul Molitor
1.24 Rod Carew
1.23 Wade Boggs
1.23 Roberto Clemente
All except Clemente mostly hit 1 or 2, right?
 

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All except Clemente mostly hit 1 or 2, right?
Ha - MLB Most PAs per game (min 2000 G, debuted since 1930)

4.59 Jeter
4.53 Molitor
4.50 Rollins

All others below 4.50.

MLB Most ABs per game (min 2000 G, debuted since 1930)

4.09 Rollins
4.08 Jeter
4.04 Molitor

All others below 4.00.
 
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Joe Posnanski made the point in his newsletter that it doesn’t make too much sense for the writers to collectively keep up this idea of high standards when the new Eras committees have been electing people with regularity, often with much lower standards (or different ones, anyway). It’s not difficult to envision them letting several candidates from the current ballot in if the writers don’t do so first: Schilling, Vizquel, Pettitte, probably Wagner, maybe even someone like Jeff Kent. Probably not Rolen, which is weird. They seem to favor guys with good back-of-the-baseball-card numbers.

It will be interesting to see how they eventually handle Bonds, Clemens, Sosa, et al; it would be weird for them to let managers and a commissioner who benefitted from the play of allegedly PED-enhanced players without allowing in the players themselves.
 

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Rolen not getting more traction is puzzling to me; his JAWS has him 10th among third baseman with above-average career WAR and peak WAR. He doesn't have any black ink, but was an above average hitter, as evidenced by his career 122 OPS+, and has respectable career hitting numbers; 2,000+ hits, 300+ homers, career .364 OBP, etc. Throw in the fact that he is easily one of the five best defensive 3B of all time, and probably should have been the 2006 WS MVP (jobbed out as voters gave it to Eckstein) and I'm surprised he isn't getting more consideration.
 

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Rolen not getting more traction is puzzling to me; his JAWS has him 10th among third baseman with above-average career WAR and peak WAR. He doesn't have any black ink, but was an above average hitter, as evidenced by his career 122 OPS+, and has respectable career hitting numbers; 2,000+ hits, 300+ homers, career .364 OBP, etc. Throw in the fact that he is easily one of the five best defensive 3B of all time, and probably should have been the 2006 WS MVP (jobbed out as voters gave it to Eckstein) and I'm surprised he isn't getting more consideration.
Rolen has had a pretty quick rise in his 3 years of candidacy. This might not still be true but it was true until recently: everyone who has gotten to 50% by their 5th year has eventually made it in. I think you'll see him elected within the next few years.

Anyway, only a bit more than an hour until the announcement. Anyone want to take a stand on whether Walker makes it?
 

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Rolen has had a pretty quick rise in his 3 years of candidacy. This might not still be true but it was true until recently: everyone who has gotten to 50% by their 5th year has eventually made it in. I think you'll see him elected within the next few years.

Anyway, only a bit more than an hour until the announcement. Anyone want to take a stand on whether Walker makes it?
Not counting those still on the ballot, this appears to still be true.
 

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Kevin Kernan of the NY Post has dropped Bonds and Clemens (and Helton) from his 2019 ballot, while adding Rolen, Sheffield and Wagner, on a 7-player ballot. He had voted for Bonds and Clemens (and for a full 10-man ballot) every tracked ballot previous to this.
 

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Larry Walker and Derek Jeter get in.

Jeter missed unanimous by one vote.

Curt Schilling 70.0.
So considering that there are no truly outstanding first timers coming on the ballot next year do you think Curt makes it or do the writers screw him by giving him 74 .99999 percent of the vote? Under normal circumstances Schilling would be a shoe in right?
 

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Absolutely horrendous ballot for Clemens and Bonds. Walker, Schilling, Omar, Rolen, and Wagner all make huge jumps indicating the desire of a newer electorate to get more guys in, and those 2 barely moved at all. There's no way they're getting in in the next 2 years absent a massive voter purge.
 

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biggest story to me is Clemens/Bonds barely gaining, yep.

good for Walker, got in by a handful of votes.
 

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I think you can safely say the anti PEDs voters represent about 40% and they are pretty solid in their stance. Glad to see Walker get in if for no other reason than to annoy that stupid NY writer who left everyone else off his ballot saying Jeter deserved to stand alone. Also, nice of Yahoo to do this to Walker.

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Is the one writer who left Jeter off the ballot named?
I don’t know who it is, but I hope it is noted moron voter LaVelle Neal III...only because hoping it is hacker homer George King is just too unrealistic
 

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Surprising (to me) and impressive:

MLB Most Hits per Game
(min 2000 G, debuted since 1930)

1.29 Tony Gwynn
1.26 Derek Jeter
1.24 Paul Molitor
1.24 Rod Carew
1.23 Wade Boggs
1.23 Roberto Clemente
If you want to win a bunch of bar bets, ask people what player in the 1990s had the most hits.

Mark Grace, with 1754, just ahead of Raffy, Biggio, and Gwynn
 

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What I liked about Mariano being unanimous was that he was (IMHO) the best all time at what he did.
Jeter deservedly got into the HOF. He was never the all time greatest SS.
Move on.
 

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I think you can safely say the anti PEDs voters represent about 40% and they are pretty solid in their stance. Glad to see Walker get in if for no other reason than to annoy that stupid NY writer who left everyone else off his ballot saying Jeter deserved to stand alone. Also, nice of Yahoo to do this to Walker.

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Like Shaughnessy?
 

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In all honesty I really don't care who left Jeter off his/her ballot. IMO there's really no need to give a self righteous gatekeeper his/her 15 minutes of fame. I would however like to hear a valid reason for doing so.
 

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In all honesty I really don't care who left Jeter off his/her ballot. IMO there's really no need to give a self righteous gatekeeper his/her 15 minutes of fame. I would however like to hear a valid reason for doing so.
It would be perfectly reasonable to believe that there are more than 10 worthy candidates, and of those, Jeter is the one who least needs your vote.
 

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Could the hold out be from Florida/Miami?
 

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If I had a vote, I would not have voted for Jeter solely because he doesn’t deserve to be unanimous. Maybe that would cost me my future voting privileges but ok. If it was a secret ballot, I don’t think he’d be close to unanimous.
 

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If that's his/her reasoning I'd like to see the ballot.
Why? What difference does it make whether someone gets voted in unanimously? There have been dozens of better players who weren’t voted in unanimously; there is no rule that says voters must vote for a player in his first year of eligibility if they intend to do so later, and you’re either in or out; percentage means nothing substantively. I don’t see a single thing wrong with someone deciding he doesn’t vote for first-year eligible players, or that he doesn’t want to use his vote to elevate Jeter to soMe kind of mythical status he doesn’t deserve. It’s their vote, they can do what they want with it.
 

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I was happy to see Mariano get voted in unanimously, but I don't really care that much about Jeter. There are a lot of guys who should have been voted in unanimously. Long before Rivera.
 

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The whole vote. I love seeing the one vote guys. Brad fucking Penny?

Derek Jeter 396 (99.7 percent), Larry Walker 304 (76.6), Curt Schilling 278 (70.0), Roger Clemens 242 (61.0), Barry Bonds 241 (60.7), Omar Vizquel 209 (52.6), Scott Rolen 140 (35.3), Billy Wagner 126 (31.7), Gary Sheffield 121 (30.5), Todd Helton 116 (29.2), Manny Ramírez 112 (28.2), Jeff Kent 109 (27.5), Andruw Jones 77 (19.4), Sammy Sosa 55 (13.9), Andy Pettitte 45 (11.3), Bobby Abreu 22 (5.5), Paul Konerko 10 (2.5), Jason Giambi 6 (1.5), Alfonso Soriano 6 (1.5), Eric Chávez 2 (0.5), Cliff Lee 2 (0.5), Adam Dunn 1, Brad Penny 1 (0.3), Raúl Ibañez 1 (0.3), J.J. Putz 1 (0.3), Josh Beckett 0, Heath Bell 0, Chone Figgins 0, Rafael Furcal 0, Carlos Peña 0, Brian Roberts 0, José Valverde 0.
 

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Since people have made unanimous selection some sort of marker of extra greatness, I have no objections to tactical voting for HoF, and I think the outcome expressed by the collective vote here is perfect: Jeter is absolutely a first ballot hall of famer, and absolutely not deserving of unanimous selection status.
 

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Why? What difference does it make whether someone gets voted in unanimously? There have been dozens of better players who weren’t voted in unanimously; there is no rule that says voters must vote for a player in his first year of eligibility if they intend to do so later, and you’re either in or out; percentage means nothing substantively. I don’t see a single thing wrong with someone deciding he doesn’t vote for first-year eligible players, or that he doesn’t want to use his vote to elevate Jeter to soMe kind of mythical status he doesn’t deserve. It’s their vote, they can do what they want with it.
Feel better? Go back to the post I responded to as well as my original post. I'd be curious to see if A) the voter did indeed feel there were 10 other worthy candidates and B) who they are. I'm more interested in these things vs the need that some have to know who the voter is.
 

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Yeah, I mean if guys like Williams get 93% and Ruth get 95% I can see why writers still don't want anyone to be unanimous, although somehow a 60 IP a year pitcher (albeit the best reliever) slipped through.
 

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Feel better? Go back to the post I responded to as well as my original post. I'd be curious to see if A) the voter did indeed feel there were 10 other worthy candidates and B) who they are. I'm more interested in these things vs the need that some have to know who the voter is.
Before that post you referred to the voter as possibly being a self righteous gatekeeper, which suggests to me you don’t consider “I don’t want to make Jeter a unanimous selection, because that would unreasonably elevate him” a valid reason. I personally think that’s an absolutely valid reason
 

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If I had a vote, I would not have voted for Jeter solely because he doesn’t deserve to be unanimous. Maybe that would cost me my future voting privileges but ok. If it was a secret ballot, I don’t think he’d be close to unanimous.
It's all personal opinion, but I always felt if I thought a guy was worthy he would get my vote regardless as to how many others may or may not vote for him.
 

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Before that post you referred to the voter as possibly being a self righteous gatekeeper, which suggests to me you don’t consider “I don’t want to make Jeter a unanimous selection, because that would unreasonably elevate him” a valid reason. I personally think that’s an absolutely valid reason
You see it as valid, I see it as self righteous. "I don't want to.........unreasonably elevate him." Like I said in my last post it's a matter of personal opinion.
 

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If I had a vote, I would not have voted for Jeter solely because he doesn’t deserve to be unanimous. Maybe that would cost me my future voting privileges but ok. If it was a secret ballot, I don’t think he’d be close to unanimous.
I don't agree with you often, but this is my take. Clear HOFer, but not the GOAT.