2020 Jets: For Whom the Bell Tanks

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Wouldn't surprise me if the Texans dealt their 2022, 2023, and 2024 first rounders for Adams. Because BOB.
 

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That’s a pretty good return for a talented but disgruntled player who is getting expensive in next couple of years.
 

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Jamal shot his way out of town which is disappointing. Pretty good return considering that.
 

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That's more than the Bears paid for Khalil Mack:

Bears received:
Mack
2020 second-round pick (tight end Cole Kmet at No. 43)
2020 seventh-round pick (offensive lineman Arlington Hambright at No. 226)

Bears traded away:
2019 first round (running back Josh Jacobs at No. 24 by Raiders)
2019 sixth round (cornerback Blessuan Austin at No. 196 by Jets)
2020 first round (cornerback Damon Arnette at No. 19 by Raiders)
2020 third round (receiver Bryan Edwards at No. 81 by Raiders)
 

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2 1st round picks for a safety, plus the 4th for a 3rd swap? That's a great deal for the Jets, even ignoring the fact that he had asked out.
 

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I wonder if some teams are devaluing picks in 2021 due to Covid. If CFB gets shortened or compromised in any way those picks really become even bigger lottery tix than usual. Joe Burrow might not be a first rd pick let alone first overall in 2020 if Covid was a year earlier.
 

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Is Seattle confused about the position Adams plays?
Barnwell has a piece talking about him sort of playing LB and Edge:

Nominally, it seems likely that the Seahawks will line up Adams in a similar way to how they used Chancellor. It's the best place for Adams, who is an excellent hitter, a strong run defender and a devastating blitzer off the edge. According to Football Outsiders data, only two safeties made run stops more frequently than Adams did a year ago. Chancellor was stretched in coverage and was often targeted by teams when they wanted to try to go after somebody in the Legion of Boom at its peak, but Adams is better in coverage than Chancellor was.

Barnwell also uncorked quite a typo that no one at ESPN fixed:

The sad truth is that the Jets probably weren't going to be contending in the recent future, with or without Adams.
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The franchise tag number for safeties is $12.7 million, which is lower than most positions. I don’t know how willing the Seahawks will be to play hardball with Adams after giving up two 1sts to land him, but he should end up earning a lot less than guys like Khalil Mack or Jalen Ramsey.

But yeah, unless you think Adams is going to be a generational talent like Ed Reed or Earl Thomas, you’ve got to love this deal for the Jets.
 

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I think I read that the Jets have traded 4 of their 5 first round picks from 2013-2017. Not great, Bob.
Which is why while i agree the Jets "Won" this trade by getting a haul.....what they do with that Haul will be interesting and probably underwhelming if history is any indications.

As a pats fan we rarely go wrong expecting the jets to screw up draft picks.
 

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This team has enough to at least be competitive.

Gase is by far the biggest problem. The clock management in the Bills game was astoundingly bad.

Of course, running straight up the middle on every 1st and 2nd down does not make one an "offensive genius" either.

Parts fans worry about the LB group but the Jets were forced to roll out 5th and 6th linebackers from the depth chart. Mosley opting out really hurts.

Also, 2019 #3 overall pick Quinnen Williams with a zero-impact game.
 

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In watching Becton highlights, it was clear to see that Sam had maybe his worst game since the ghost game. Not sure why because he actually had time in this game. Add in some bad drops and Leveon Bell sucking as a RB (tbf to him, he was good in the passing game) the game was a total shitshow. Defense was nothing great either, Allen sucking at throwing and being good at fumbling was our best D.

The Bills did look really fast. Maybe it was by comparison. I watched a bunch of games and I was impressed by Buff team speed.
 

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I was listening to Robert Mays' Atheltic football podcast and he was killing Gase over the pitiful amount of play-action the Jets run compared to most of the NFL. The most damning aspect of Gase's coaching ability is Tannehill is just light years better without him. TN does have better personnel.
 

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What do we think BB could do with the Jets' personnel? 8-8? No more than 5-11? Better than .500?
 

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I was listening to Robert Mays' Atheltic football podcast and he was killing Gase over the pitiful amount of play-action the Jets run compared to most of the NFL. The most damning aspect of Gase's coaching ability is Tannehill is just light years better without him. TN does have better personnel.

Tannehill was 8-5 the year he was healthy with Gase and had decent numbers. Yes he is better with Tenn but he didnt go from sucking with the Fish and Gase to awesome with the Titans. I'm not a Gase stan by any means but let's say Gase gets fired this week. Who credible wants this job? Fire a guy after going 7-9 when his qb missed 4 games and had a bad roster?

Now the GM, who I like, trades away the best player on D (good trade but not a win now move) and the other big contract guy (Mosley) sits out due to covid. Meanwhile, on Offense, there are 0 receivers, GM let our best one walk and Bell (big contract guy) absolutely sucks for us. I like most of the moves the GM made but they are win later moves.

So, in conclusion, Gase has looked bad. But Bills (Walsh, Parcells, and Belichick) are not walking through that door. So Gase has to stay and probably has stay at least another year for this org to have any credibility with potential hires.
 

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Tannehill was 8-5 the year he was healthy with Gase and had decent numbers. Yes he is better with Tenn but he didnt go from sucking with the Fish and Gase to awesome with the Titans. I'm not a Gase stan by any means but let's say Gase gets fired this week. Who credible wants this job? Fire a guy after going 7-9 when his qb missed 4 games and had a bad roster?

Now the GM, who I like, trades away the best player on D (good trade but not a win now move) and the other big contract guy (Mosley) sits out due to covid. Meanwhile, on Offense, there are 0 receivers, GM let our best one walk and Bell (big contract guy) absolutely sucks for us. I like most of the moves the GM made but they are win later moves.

So, in conclusion, Gase has looked bad. But Bills (Walsh, Parcells, and Belichick) are not walking through that door. So Gase has to stay and probably has stay at least another year for this org to have any credibility with potential hires.
He was ok in that 8-5 year. 19-12 TD-INT, 67.1%, 7.7 YPA

In Tennessee, he is 9-3, with a 28-6 TD-INT, 70.3%, 9.2 YPA

It's a massive jump.
 

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Tannehill was 8-5 the year he was healthy with Gase and had decent numbers. Yes he is better with Tenn but he didnt go from sucking with the Fish and Gase to awesome with the Titans. I'm not a Gase stan by any means but let's say Gase gets fired this week. Who credible wants this job? Fire a guy after going 7-9 when his qb missed 4 games and had a bad roster?

Now the GM, who I like, trades away the best player on D (good trade but not a win now move) and the other big contract guy (Mosley) sits out due to covid. Meanwhile, on Offense, there are 0 receivers, GM let our best one walk and Bell (big contract guy) absolutely sucks for us. I like most of the moves the GM made but they are win later moves.

So, in conclusion, Gase has looked bad. But Bills (Walsh, Parcells, and Belichick) are not walking through that door. So Gase has to stay and probably has stay at least another year for this org to have any credibility with potential hires.
Look at those games. The Jets beat Washington, Miami, Buffalo with the backup QB in b/c they were in the playoffs, so the Bills threw that game away to avoid injuries. They beat the Steelers with Mason and Duck, and the putrid NY Giants. 5 wins on paper but basically they were playing bad teams. They beat the average Raiders, too.(7-9) Their one solid win was against the Cowboys. Who were 8-8.

-83 point differential, too. Worse than the Browns.

It was the softest 7-9 season in history. Gase is bad, man. And he's seemingly getting worse. The molly is definitely effecting him adversely.
 

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Look at those games. The Jets beat Washington, Miami, Buffalo with the backup QB in b/c they were in the playoffs, so the Bills threw that game away to avoid injuries. They beat the Steelers with Mason and Duck, and the putrid NY Giants. 5 wins on paper but basically they were playing bad teams. They beat the average Raiders, too.(7-9) Their one solid win was against the Cowboys. Who were 8-8.

-83 point differential, too. Worse than the Browns.

It was the softest 7-9 season in history. Gase is bad, man. And he's seemingly getting worse. The molly is definitely effecting him adversely.

My concern is not that Gase is good and people think he is bad, it is that we will not be able to hire a coach if we aren’t seen as giving the coach a fair shake. When Bowles (who I liked) was here, his staff was shit and his GM was shit. Let Gase have the season and maybe even next season.

Keep piling up picks and then be an attractive destination for a good coach.
 

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My concern is not that Gase is good and people think he is bad, it is that we will not be able to hire a coach if we aren’t seen as giving the coach a fair shake. When Bowles (who I liked) was here, his staff was shit and his GM was shit. Let Gase have the season and maybe even next season.

Keep piling up picks and then be an attractive destination for a good coach.
Not long ago, the 49ers fired head coaches three straight seasons and still got Kyle Shanahan. Your logic makes sense, but that doesn't seem to be how things play out.
 

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Not long ago, the 49ers fired head coaches three straight seasons and still got Kyle Shanahan. Your logic makes sense, but that doesn't seem to be how things play out.

Maybe but we’ve had problems in this regard. We could get lucky with an unknown or someone that wants the splash of NYC.
 

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Maybe but we’ve had problems in this regard. We could get lucky with an unknown or someone that wants the splash of NYC.
There are 32 head coaching vacancies in the NFL. It's an attractive spot just based upon the lack of choices.
 

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I've been spending a lot more time in the car lately than usual. That means more time on WFAN and ESPN Radio NY (98.7). The callers and the hosts are pretty much in lock-step agreement that Gase has got to go. The jury is out on Joe Judge and Sam Darnell, but it's unanimous on Gase. No one likes him, respects him, or sees any value in him.
 

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You’re both right.

Also, I wonder at what point they bail on Darnold. They’ll probably give him 1-2 years under a new coach. But that just means another few years of not being competitive. While I understand that you have to see if he gets better under someone else (like Tannehill), seems to me that he’s simply not the answer.
 

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This team looks so so bad.

Interesting to think about - if they end up with the number 1 pick, do they draft Trevor and ditch Darnold that quickly or do they try to trade the pick for a ransom?

The thought of watching Lawrence get murdered behind this offensive line and trying to survive throwing to Braxton Berrios and Breshaud Perriman makes me sad.
 
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Draft Trevor #1 overall, deal Darnold for an additional #1 PLUS, AND you have the additional Seahawks picks. Not a bad start for their new coach, whoever that is. Bienemi?
 
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Because he is a great prospect in a shitty situation. I think a lot of teams would give up a 1st and more for him. If I’m BB and Cam isn’t resigned, I do that deal in a heartbeat.
 

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This team looks so so bad.

Interesting to think about - if they end up with the number 1 pick, do they draft Trevor and ditch Darnold that quickly or do they try to trade the pick for a ransom?

The thought of watching Lawrence get murdered behind this offensive line and trying to survive throwing to Braxton Berrios and Breshaud Perriman makes me sad.
Thats Not who Lawrence would be throwing too. The probably have to take Lawrence
 
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Ha! We probably all should be. (Although we’d have Deebo Samuel instead of Harry.) But I’m not sure why people think Darnold deserves enough blame to make him unworthy of a 1st round pick. He’s still very talented and approximately 12 years old. He’s got zero weapons and no time to throw.