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jon abbey

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Kind of sad to post any baseball news with everything up in the air, but worth noting that Justin Verlander went ahead with surgery on his right groin, and is expected to be out six weeks, just like everyone else in the sports world.

 

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Kind of sad to post any baseball news with everything up in the air, but worth noting that Justin Verlander went ahead with surgery on his right groin, and is expected to be out six weeks, just like everyone else in the sports world.

I thought Kate Upton was the only one to operate on his groin. ;)
 

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Haven't heard this mentioned yet but I would expect the players union to try to fight to give service time to players under arbitration during this stoppage - and I would expect Manfred to meet them halfway.

Too bad they can't just move the negotiations up to right now during an actual stoppage.
 

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Haven't heard this mentioned yet but I would expect the players union to try to fight to give service time to players under arbitration during this stoppage - and I would expect Manfred to meet them halfway.

Too bad they can't just move the negotiations up to right now during an actual stoppage.
There's an element here around economics that hasn't been discussed yet. Do the players (including minor leaguers) get paid if there's no season at all? The billionaire owners should be able to cover, but we're talking $100-250m with no gate or TV revenue (is there TV revenue with no games), and conceivably some of these owners will have businesses that are also getting hammered by this recession. I have no idea what the labor agreement looks like if there's just no season at all given this isn't a strike or lockout.

There are Italian soccer clubs that have already asked players to take pay cuts during this period
 

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I wonder how insurance policies treat these cancellations? Would anything that an owner would have cover this? It’s basically a natural disaster. There’s something called “business interruption insurance,” right?

For the players, I’d expect them to argue that this is no different than being on the disabled list.
 

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I was going to say let's look to the last work stoppage, but I keep having to stop and remind myself that that was... a work stoppage, and not cancellations due to a national pandemic.

Is there any precedent for this? Suppose there's no season, do the players not get paid and we just bump everything up a year, contract-wise?
 

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Wow, holy shit, and he is only under contract through 2021 before hitting FA.
 

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I wonder how insurance policies treat these cancellations? Would anything that an owner would have cover this? It’s basically a natural disaster. There’s something called “business interruption insurance,” right?

For the players, I’d expect them to argue that this is no different than being on the disabled list.
I talked about this in another thread and it’s an interesting question.


Almost all contracts (of any type) have some standard exclusions for things like warfare ... and pandemics. If the standard player contract has these, then players would not get paid.

Also, the CBA defines the payroll timing based on the season, which has not started. So I’m guessing that, if the season never starts,
No one gets paid.

More ominously (for the Sox) If the season is cancelled, I cant see the season counting for cap reset purposes.

All of this would be subject to negotiations, I’m sure...
 

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Whether baseball, hockey, whatever, I believe that many if not most contracts do not include language that specifically, directly, or even generally addresses situations that affect situations such as presented by a pandemic. I could be wrong. But "force majeure" influences could affect individual contract terms, arena and general "rights" agreements, sponsorships, and grand number of other contractual obligations. I would not be surprised to see many parties using the circumstances to get out of current perceived "bad" contracts. That could create a chaotic pro sport dynamic.
 

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London series (2020) has been canceled.

"Dear MLB fan,

As a result of the COVID-19 pandemic, the Mitel & MLB Present London Series 2020 has been cancelled.

The decision has been taken in line with the UK Government's actions stopping public gatherings and the need to focus emergency services resources on combating the pandemic.

While we understand that this news is disappointing, we are faced with an unprecedented situation worldwide and nothing is more important to us than the health and safety of our players, employees and fans.

We send our best wishes to all individuals and communities that have been impacted by COVID-19.

Ticket holders will receive a full refund, including any ticketing service charges paid. "
 

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Nothing new, but it's tough to hear a guy like Sickels talking this way.

View: https://twitter.com/MinorLeagueBall/status/1254140260935745536?s=19
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"It now appears that minor league contraction will occur. I think this would have been stopped but Covid changed that. It makes me very sad, and reinforces my desire to expand beyond baseball. I don't think the future of baseball is healthy and can't pretend that I do."
 

jon abbey

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FWIW, we have talked about this a bit here and there but I think the game has passed Sickels by anyway, there are a lot of people doing what he does now with a lot more energy and enthusiasm for it.

Also I am far from an expert but I'm pretty sure there was contraction coming anyway, this just speeds it up.
 

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Covid-19 claims Steve Dalkowski, the only guy who ever intimidated Ted Williams.

I know the article mentions that Nuke LaLoosh was inspired by him but wasn't he also the basis for the Steve Nebraska character from The Scout?