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I misspoke slightly - format is Modified Scotch. Each hit own drive, pick best one, then alternate shot from there. Must take at least 4 drives from each player. She'll be hitting from the gold tees (senior) not green (hybrid sr./womens), so it'll be a little more difficult. Our only chance is in low net category. Less stressful than pure alternate shot, but still plenty of foment potential. She's a 21.4 right now.
That format makes much more sense, and is what I would have thought most clubs would have. Still a proper marital test, but not something that would make you preemptively call a divorce lawyer before the round.
 

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I'm pretty sure most of us can relate to this.
Relate? I wrote the fucking book. My only solution when it all went to shit was to quit for 6 years, no range, no mini-golf, full on quit. I've cut my index in half this year, from over 15 to 7.7, in my first year back.

So yeah, my go to advice now when someone is struggling is to tell them to quit for half a decade, and then come back and hope for the best. That's about all I have.
 

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I misspoke slightly - format is Modified Scotch. Each hit own drive, pick best one, then alternate shot from there. Must take at least 4 drives from each player. She'll be hitting from the gold tees (senior) not green (hybrid sr./womens), so it'll be a little more difficult. Our only chance is in low net category. Less stressful than pure alternate shot, but still plenty of foment potential. She's a 21.4 right now.

This used to be the format for the monthly Husband/Wife (or signif other/signif other) Pinehurst for years when sociopaths set up the tournamants, and many did refer to it as "The Divorce Open." Someone finally figured out this was not fun, and switched to a foursome-based scramble teams, and unleashed the bar carts. We very much look forward to the Pinehurts now.


UPDATE: my one good score dropped index from 18.6 to 18.
I played in a similar format just a week ago (without the 4 drive minimum and for only 9 holes). The picking a drive aspect almost creates more discord than straight alternate shot, because it forces you to discuss strategy. At one point I was told “you’re hitting the approach because I’m not risking having you chip again” and “sorry I hit a bad shot, I usually know better and avoid the woods; I’m not used to playing from here.”

All and all, pretty fun though. I had never played a round with only two balls, so the pace of play was rapid.
 

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It's called a Chapman format in many places and it can be super fun or super miserable, depending on your partner or how you're playing. My usual Chapman partner used to tell me he was putting me in the woods on purpose because I was better out of the woods than I was from the fairway. I used to tell him that if I missed the putt it was going to be by 8 feet because he couldn't hit a 2 footer. It's a great balance of having a partner and hating your partner. It really is ideal for married couples.
 

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This is probably a question more towards the mid-high handicappers, but maybe the low ones can answer. Sometimes, in the middle of a round, I just lose my swing. This past weekend, for instance, I was 2 over after 4. Not a bad start for me. The back half of the front 9 is usually where I can score. Just sets up better for my game. But on 5 I ended up picking up, as I put 1 into the water and 2 into the woods. it was like somebody unplugged the controller for my swing.
It wasn't a gradual slip of the swing... 4 was a par 3 where I hit a nice mid iron in. Any thoughts on how to get things back together when things go awry like that?
What I started to do, and it was thanks to this thread, was trying to think "Swing like Annika"-- I had gone to a golf camp about 20 years ago, and when I was making good swings, I felt like it was easy/effortless/solid. My problem was that I was saying "swing like Annikin"
This might help.
View: https://youtu.be/7Q-PXTHVmyA
 

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One doesn't lose their swing on the course, they most likely have lost some combination of timing, rhythm or sequencing with sequencing being the most likely culprit usually caused by a change in setup or alignment.

If you're struggling on the course, don't try and find your swing, focus on the basics. Typically you'll find what's missing.

For example, if your alignment gets off it can have a drastic impact on swing path and potentially whether or not you're pivoting correctly (or correctly for you to make solid contact). This can then impact your timing and rhythm as you try and create speed to get back to the ball.
 

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Thanks,
It's funny that he mentions Annika... as, again, that is the feel I go for. I thing my problem is I get too flat. The velcro of my glove ends up pointing at the sky... at which point I am dead. From there it is either shank or yank. Then when I focus on correcting that, I forget to make a turn, and get all arms.... yada yada yada.

But I'll work on this when I get out to my parents' house Sunday (maybe during halftime). They have an acre of land, and some whiffle golf balls.
 

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If you're struggling on the course, don't try and find your swing, focus on the basics. Typically you'll find what's missing.
This. A million times this. I've had many times where I've lost things on the course and the best thing to control is my setup and grip. Even now thinking back to Sunday when I hit it terrible I know I wasn't focused on my grip which has been a pain point for me lately. I could have easily fixed it instead of thinking of 100 other things like I did.
 

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It's funny that he mentions Annika... as, again, that is the feel I go for. I thing my problem is I get too flat. The velcro of my glove ends up pointing at the sky... at which point I am dead. From there it is either shank or yank. Then when I focus on correcting that, I forget to make a turn, and get all arms.... yada yada yada.

But I'll work on this when I get out to my parents' house Sunday (maybe during halftime). They have an acre of land, and some whiffle golf balls.
Another way to get back in sync is to make some easy practice swings (half swings or 3/4) with an eight iron and just try to brush the grass. Don’t even worry about the mechanics, just try to get into a rhythm and feel the swing. Then, with that feeling in mind hit a few half shots with the eight iron. Don’t worry about where the ball goes or even hitting the ball, the goal is to make a good swing. Ideally, whether it’s on the practice range or on the golf course, you shouldn’t be thinking about hitting the ball at all. You should be thinking about swinging through the ball i.e., imagine the ball occupying a point on the arc the club face makes. You will find most times the reason why you get out of sync is because you are focusing too much on hitting the ball perfectly.
 

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Ate an edible and got out there today. Just good to get 3.5 hours of something that feels normal. 78. Happy with that.
 

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This is probably a question more towards the mid-high handicappers, but maybe the low ones can answer. Sometimes, in the middle of a round, I just lose my swing. This past weekend, for instance, I was 2 over after 4. Not a bad start for me. The back half of the front 9 is usually where I can score. Just sets up better for my game. But on 5 I ended up picking up, as I put 1 into the water and 2 into the woods. it was like somebody unplugged the controller for my swing.
It wasn't a gradual slip of the swing... 4 was a par 3 where I hit a nice mid iron in. Any thoughts on how to get things back together when things go awry like that?
What I started to do, and it was thanks to this thread, was trying to think "Swing like Annika"-- I had gone to a golf camp about 20 years ago, and when I was making good swings, I felt like it was easy/effortless/solid. My problem was that I was saying "swing like Annikin"
Yea this happens to me. I switch to using the drill-swing shown in this video: View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5o4A0IrGqg
(4:00 minute mark he does a full swing using the drill) when my swing starts to fall apart.

It looks really weird and you will definitely get some comments from whoever you're playing with but it usually gets back on track enough to salvage a round that is quickly falling apart.

Honestly I've thought about switching to it more full time as a swing. It just simplifies a lot of shit in the take away.
 
I switch to using the drill-swing shown in this video:
So...I watched this video several times over the weekend, and I really like the principles this guy articulates. I can definitely grasp the three elements of the backswing he talks about here, and I can recognize in these terms how my own backswing goes wrong when it goes wrong - usually for me it's actually the arm rotation rather than the wrist cock, although all three elements can go askew for me when I start messing up. And because I have been messing up a lot lately, and my swing has felt out of kilter for a while, yesterday in my backyard I tried the drill-swing in the video a couple of times. It felt good, and I was excited to try and bring some of these principles onto the course for my morning round today at Dunbar.

On the first hole of my round today, I hit the ball so badly that my first putt on the hole was for a double-bogey. And at the second hole, after three shots on the par 5 I was still 80 yards short of the green. And shortly thereafter I realized/remembered that I simply cannot process swing mechanics in the way that videos like these impart them: I'm a feel player. I have swing thoughts, sure, but I don't connect them to mechanics like these. By the 5th hole, I'd decided to try and reduce my entire thought process to: 1) keep my arms close to my body throughout the swing (which helps me rotate my body and avoid arm-only swings), and 2) make sure I fire my hips through the ball almost before starting my downswing, making sure my arms couldn't get ahead of the rest of my body. And by the 6th fairway, I felt confident enough to aim my 8-iron to the green directly at the sucker pin on the front-right corner...and I hit the shot to four feet. I didn't hit the ball perfectly for the rest of the round, but I did strike the ball very well a lot of the time - well enough to shoot a 77, despite my miserable start. Golf is weird.
 

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I'm with you CP. If there are more than 1 or 2 thoughts then it messes with everything. When my swing goes bad, it's almost always tempo or balance or both. I have a few really simple thoughts I use to help correct them, but it's got to be something simple like staying focused on the ball or setting my right knee before I swing (so I rotate and don't sway) and, as much as I can, I try to make them pre-swing thoughts, rather than in swing thoughts. Set up, balance and focus can be handled before I start the hard part.
 

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I thought I would regale the Husband-Wife Championship debacle from Saturday.

We started on hole 3 - a downhill dogleg left par 5 that is not too hard if you stay in generally good position. Road on left of hole, plenty of room right. There are two ponds near the green, but navigatable, and if one positions correctly, can run the ball up to green between them as needed. We both hit drive in format, then choose best one and alternate shot in from there. Wife is playing from gold tees, which are close to my white tees on a lot of holes, so harder for her. She's a very consistent ball striker, rarely hitting topped or fat shots, while I'm more inconsistent. And I'm hitting drives only 220 these days, so distance is an issue.

Anyway, she hits first, pops a drive into fairway about 150 or so. I hit a decent drive, pulled left, but carries the tree along road and is in play, cutting off the corner, and in light rough with a decent lie. My best shot would not allow her to get to the green in 3, but if she hits her normal shot, I'll have a chance to reach, so we choose my drive. She hits 7 wood...20 feet. Tops it badly. Hadn't done that in months. Rut roh. I now have lie on side of a hump, ball above my feet, but decent lie. I hit a 3 hybrid and make good clean contact, and run the ball left side of fairway to about 110 yds. But we have to go over the pond. She hits her normal club - likely a 6 iron, from a slighlty downhill lie. Catches it a little thin, plunks in the water. Oh shit.

We clarify that the penalty stroke doesn't count in the alternating format, so it's my turn to hit. I drop on a flat area in fringe, about 75 yds away, but still have to clear the pond. Bunkers on left and far right, but clear path to green otherwise. I butterknife my gap wedge, as my son likes to describe such shots, and ball skirts along top of pond. I'm devestated, but also immediately hopeful, as there's a good chance it will skid across. Its does...but hit a rock on far side of edge of pond, pops up straight back, and into the pond. Double Oh Shit.

Lying 7, she hits shot from the same spot, but manages a line drive over the green, over the bunkers. One thing you want to avoid on our course is being above the hole, and this one is no different. For our ninth shot, I've got a downhill sidehill pitch about 10 yrds off the green from the rough that I have to land on the rough to have any chance of stopping it on the green. Miracle of miracles, I do that, and ball ends up still past the hole, and 15 away. Her turn to putt.

She's played a lot of golf this year. She knows the greens, speed etc. She proceeds to pop the putt 8 feet past the hole, and above it, leaving a precarious downhiller. Finally too overcome to hold back, I let out an audible "What the fuck?!?" There's an audible hush amongst our group, and thankfully our playing partners are good friends who know us well enough to not be too alarmed by this run of events. I baby our 11th shot down the hill, just slightly overreading the break, and she taps in for our 12.

The bar cart, like a answered prayer, arrives at the next tee. I order my usual mid round swing elixer of a double Capt. and diet. I asked her if she wants anything, and she says no. "Are you sure?" I re-ask. Nope.

We got 19 strokes that day based on the handicap calculation (60% low handicap, 40% high handicap). We were +6 net after one hole, and finished the day +8 net. Winning score was -4, so we likely had no chance even if we didn't mess up that hole.

As of the typing of the last letter of this post, we are still married.
 

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Perhaps. After a few holes, we made it our goal not to finish last, and just managed to pull that off.

We played with the same group yesterday. Playing same hole, put third shot into pond after it hit a tree limb. I dropped from about the same spot as the day before, and put it on the green. The predictable "where was that yesterday?" from the other three was amusing.
 

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So...I watched this video several times over the weekend, and I really like the principles this guy articulates. I can definitely grasp the three elements of the backswing he talks about here, and I can recognize in these terms how my own backswing goes wrong when it goes wrong - usually for me it's actually the arm rotation rather than the wrist cock, although all three elements can go askew for me when I start messing up. And because I have been messing up a lot lately, and my swing has felt out of kilter for a while, yesterday in my backyard I tried the drill-swing in the video a couple of times. It felt good, and I was excited to try and bring some of these principles onto the course for my morning round today at Dunbar.

On the first hole of my round today, I hit the ball so badly that my first putt on the hole was for a double-bogey. And at the second hole, after three shots on the par 5 I was still 80 yards short of the green. And shortly thereafter I realized/remembered that I simply cannot process swing mechanics in the way that videos like these impart them: I'm a feel player. I have swing thoughts, sure, but I don't connect them to mechanics like these. By the 5th hole, I'd decided to try and reduce my entire thought process to: 1) keep my arms close to my body throughout the swing (which helps me rotate my body and avoid arm-only swings), and 2) make sure I fire my hips through the ball almost before starting my downswing, making sure my arms couldn't get ahead of the rest of my body. And by the 6th fairway, I felt confident enough to aim my 8-iron to the green directly at the sucker pin on the front-right corner...and I hit the shot to four feet. I didn't hit the ball perfectly for the rest of the round, but I did strike the ball very well a lot of the time - well enough to shoot a 77, despite my miserable start. Golf is weird.
Monte is great. He was one of the very first teachers to put content up on YT. And he’s still at it. He’s very good at explaining things in a way that is simple to understand and to implement.
 

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First round of golf in a few weeks the other day. Started off 7, 5, 7 (+7) including two lost balls before settling down. Put up an 85 after that start, so I was relatively pleased when all was said and done. My best shot of the day was on a long par four, I pushed my tee shot to the right behind a big tree. My choice was to chip out or hit a low cut from left to right under the lowest branches and around the tree. Struck a 3-iron perfectly, hit about a 200-yard low cut right to the fringe, about 15 feet from the hole.

Every now and then, I can get the ball to do exactly what I want. Not often enough, but every now and then.
 
Not a round of golf as such, but this week is the 25th anniversary of when I met my wife - at Leuchars train station near St. Andrews, where I arrived for my junior year abroad and she was serving on the university's Overseas Student Orientation Weekend Welcome Committee (and, as she now freely admits, looking for American or Canadian men to potentially date). So today we took our kids on a day trip to St. Andrews, with a stop for a photo op at the train station - a trip we usually take about once a year. Parked our car just to the right of the 18th fairway on the Old Course, just short of Granny Clark's Wynd, and had a stroll down to the Road Hole and across the Wynd as well as a marital photo on Swilcan Bridge between groups. And our daughter is now the equivalent of a sophomore in high school, so she is at least starting to think about colleges, and it was wonderful to see her look at St. Andrews from that perspective as well. It was a beautifully sunny day, and a lovely reminder of one of my favorite places in the world; the only really weird thing - pandemic-related concessions notwithstanding - was being in St. Andrews while the US Open is taking place!