2020 Divisional Weekend Game Thread: Nevermore

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Blues, Nationals, Titans. Patriots a little last year even though they got the bye.

Getting hot at the right time matters.
There was a pretty good story in the NYT today about the decline of home field advantage.

Four of six NFL playoff games so far won by the road team. All seven World Series games won by the road team. Every NHL division winner out in the first round of last year’s playoffs. If you can just get into the bracket going on the road isn’t the obstacle it used to be.
 

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I wonder who Ravens fans were rooting for in the Patriots Titans game last week. I bet many were rooting for Tennessee. It would make me feel better if so, for rooting for the Ravens to beat the Broncos in the playoffs after the 2012 year.
 

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I don't like the Ravens since they were the snitches that started Deflategate. And I'm happy for Vrabel. I would rather see Chiefs go to SB and win it since Reid has been so unlucky in big games. And there are actually a decent amount of Philly idiots who are rooting against him because he didn't win it all there. I live in Philly area and I really wouldn't mind Reid and Chiefs winning it all.
 

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I don't like the Ravens since they were the snitches that started Deflategate. And I'm happy for Vrabel. I would rather see Chiefs go to SB and win it since Reid has been so unlucky in big games. And there are actually a decent amount of Philly idiots who are rooting against him because he didn't win it all there. I live in Philly area and I really wouldn't mind Reid and Chiefs winning it all.
Philly fan here that would love nothing more than to see Reid win. All my Eagle fan buds feel the same way. Go Chefs.
 

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They’re frantically packing away the pulled pork and coleslaw in doggie bags and offering it to all attendees.
You weren't by any chance in South Park Slope, Brooklyn, were you?

Co-Coach of my son's baseball team is a ginormous Ravens fan and every party he's hosted they make pulled pork and slaw. Couldn't be...
 

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Titans are averaging more yards per play. Difference is that the Ravens have run 92 plays. 92! That's, um, a lot
Just to add onto this, teams have run 90+ offensive plays in a game only 72 times in the past 50 seasons, and 42 of those were games that went to OT. So, yeah, it doesn't happen very often. Those teams have gone 36-28-8.

Fun fact: Before the Ravens, the last time a team ran 90+ offensive plays in a game was the Pats in last year's AFC title game, with 94 plays.
 

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I don't know if the Pats offense would have been able to get there this season, but I think that they probably would have beaten Baltimore if they played again. Jackson and the RPO was lethal, but Tennessee played a lot of zone, let Jackson have some time to throw and kept him in the pocket and he made some mistakes. It has only been two seasons so it is really SSS, but it kind of feels like an NBA thing, where a player can be great during the regular season but during the playoffs the games slow down, each play matters just a bit more, and the game changes. IDK, might be bullshit because football is so different but I just think that the Pats would have been able to adjust and slow down Baltimore's offense similar to what Tennessee did tonight.

Titans are terrifically coached. They control the clock, avoid turnovers and take care of business when they get in the red zone. Their kicker hasn't attempted a field goal since Week 13.
 

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The Russell Street Report forum is in full meltdown between discussing if this was worse than The Cundiff Game, blaming Week 17 resting, trading Lamar Jackson, firing they coaching staff and signing AB in the offseason.
 

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I don't know if the Pats offense would have been able to get there this season, but I think that they probably would have beaten Baltimore if they played again. Jackson and the RPO was lethal, but Tennessee played a lot of zone, let Jackson have some time to throw and kept him in the pocket and he made some mistakes. It has only been two seasons so it is really SSS, but it kind of feels like an NBA thing, where a player can be great during the regular season but during the playoffs the games slow down, each play matters just a bit more, and the game changes. IDK, might be bullshit because football is so different but I just think that the Pats would have been able to adjust and slow down Baltimore's offense similar to what Tennessee did tonight.

Titans are terrifically coached. They control the clock, avoid turnovers and take care of business when they get in the red zone. Their kicker hasn't attempted a field goal since Week 13.
The Titans DL murdered Baltimore up front. I’m not sure our front would have been capable of that.
 

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The Titans DL murdered Baltimore up front. I’m not sure our front would have been capable of that.
It’s not about us. Key question is whether Watt and Houston could.

We’d be watching from the team hotel near Arrowhead.

edit: missed kliq’s post that you were responding to. And agree with you that our front would have struggled in that hypothetical AFCCG.
 

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I am firmly in the analytics camp and I think part of the success of the Ravens was how aggressive they were all year. But man that first stop on 4th down loomed large in this game. The Titans do have a lot of beef upfront and a good plan on defense and it showed on those plays. They won the battle.
 

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The Russell Street Report forum is in full meltdown between discussing if this was worse than The Cundiff Game, blaming Week 17 resting, trading Lamar Jackson, firing they coaching staff and signing AB in the offseason.
Yeah that’s fairly typical of any fandom.

It’s not like this board was any better after our loss to the titans.
 

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You weren't by any chance in South Park Slope, Brooklyn, were you?

Co-Coach of my son's baseball team is a ginormous Ravens fan and every party he's hosted they make pulled pork and slaw. Couldn't be...
While I’m sure the moods were similar at both parties, the one I was at was in San Diego.
 

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I haven't watched an NFL game since last Saturday night a week ago, nor do I plan on watching another until next September. So, imagine my shock when I awoke this morning to see that the so called greatest team in NFL history, led by the so called greatest QB in NFL history (or so we were told all year), was beaten last night in Bodymore. Tee hee, tee hee. Go Vrabel.
 

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Multiple similarities between this team and the 2010 Pats:

-Both went 14-2 and got the #1 seed
-Both had historically great regular seasons (Pats were 5th best all-time in DVOA, Ravens were 7th best)
-Both had the best offense in the league
-Both had the MVP at QB
-Both had a game breaking young talent (Gronk, Jackson)
-Both lost to the 6 seed in the divisional round

Let's hope their next ten years don't mirror what the Pats did.

Baltimore out-gained Tennesssee 530-300, and lost by multiple scores. How many times do you see that combination?
 

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Multiple similarities between this team and the 2010 Pats:

-Both went 14-2 and got the #1 seed
-Both had historically great regular seasons (Pats were 5th best all-time in DVOA, Ravens were 7th best)
-Both had the best offense in the league
-Both had the MVP at QB
-Both had a game breaking young talent (Gronk, Jackson)
-Both lost to the 6 seed in the divisional round

Let's hope their next ten years don't mirror what the Pats did.

Baltimore out-gained Tennesssee 530-300, and lost by multiple scores. How many times do you see that combination?
How much was garbage time yardage though? Lots of empty stats from the Ravens last night. Similar to Pats-Texans this year.
 

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Multiple similarities between this team and the 2010 Pats:

-Both went 14-2 and got the #1 seed
-Both had historically great regular seasons (Pats were 5th best all-time in DVOA, Ravens were 7th best)
-Both had the best offense in the league
-Both had the MVP at QB
-Both had a game breaking young talent (Gronk, Jackson)
-Both lost to the 6 seed in the divisional round

Let's hope their next ten years don't mirror what the Pats did.

Baltimore out-gained Tennesssee 530-300, and lost by multiple scores. How many times do you see that combination?
Not too worried about the Ravens doing what the Pats just did for a decade.
 

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I’m no expert but Thomas was in no position to make that tackle. Henry is fast as hell, obviously.
The other Exhibit B clip with Thomas abandoning his pursuit of Henry is more damaging, but getting less attention.
 

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Baltimore out-gained Tennesssee 530-300, and lost by multiple scores. How many times do you see that combination?
As far as I can tell, it's the first time it's happened in NFL history.

There are only three other games I can find where a team had <= 300 yards of offense, gave up >=530 yards of offense, and won. All of those games were decided by 7 points or less.
 

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How much was garbage time yardage though? Lots of empty stats from the Ravens last night. Similar to Pats-Texans this year.
True, but the Ravens had absolutely no problem moving the ball last night, especially in the second half. They had drives of 39 yards, 60 yards, 68 yards, 69 yards and 83 yards, and came away with just 6 points. That's incredible. The Pats did wrack up the garbage yards at the end of the game, but since they were finishing drives late they did have a non-zero chance at the end to win.
 

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True, but the Ravens had absolutely no problem moving the ball last night, especially in the second half. They had drives of 39 yards, 60 yards, 68 yards, 69 yards and 83 yards, and came away with just 6 points. That's incredible. The Pats did wrack up the garbage yards at the end of the game, but since they were finishing drives late they did have a non-zero chance at the end to win.
11-18 on third down conversions, including some long ones. Huge chunk plays. 8.6 plays per drive. The score is almost impossible to explain or you would think replicate. It is the result of three turnovers and repeated fourth down conversion failures after long drives.

It is really hard to put up 530 yards, have 29 first downs (almost double the Titans’ 15!), average nearly 9 plays a drive, average 5.8 yards per play, have a 143 yard rusher and a 126 yard receiver, convert nearly 70 percent third downs, punt once, miss zero field goals, score a TD, and score only 12 points.

We may all never see another game like that ever.
 

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11-18 on third down conversions, including some long ones. Huge chunk plays. 8.6 plays per drive. The score is almost impossible to explain or you would think replicate. It is the result of three turnovers and repeated fourth down conversion failures after long drives.

It is really hard to put up 530 yards, have 29 first downs (almost double the Titans’ 15!), average nearly 9 plays a drive, average 5.8 yards per play, have a 143 yard rusher and a 126 yard receiver, convert nearly 70 percent third downs, punt once, miss zero field goals, score a TD, and score only 12 points.

We may all never see another game like that ever.
The Ravens' last two drives of the first half and first two drives of the second, they combined for FIFTY-TWO offensive plays (Titans ran 55 offensive plays all game, just to reinforce how insane that is) ... and scored six points. They had four different 60+ yard drives that scored no points; by contrast, the Titans' scoring drives were 20, 29, 45 (one play), and 81 yards.
 

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It's odd that most don't consider a turnover on downs (i.e. failure to convert on 4th down) as a true turnover, because otherwise the turnover margin would be 7 for Baltimore, 0 for Tennessee. That explains the disparity between the scoreboard and the box score as well as any.
 

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Just one more to add to the anomalous nature of the game — Ravens actually won time possession too despite Henry’s dominant performance. And not just barely either. Over four minutes.
 

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Tannehill has passed for 160 yards total in 2 playoff games. That’s insane.
And he's 2-0, on the road, beating the #3 and the #1 seeds while doing that. Just amazing that the passing league NFL is being dominated by Derrick Henry's runs.