2020 Cowboys: Jerry Jones Hosts a Slumber Party and Gets His Coach

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Damn you, Soxhop. I was going to start the thread with the title of "2020 Cowboys: Now with 100% less clapping".
 

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McCarthy stinks and being saddled with a bunch of Garrett holdovers on the offensive staff, if the reports are accurate, isn't going to help. Just more of the same from the Joneses.
 

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McCarthy is a lateral move at best. whatever in Jerry's world I guess.
If you're talking about career playoff victories at AT&T Stadium (two each), sure. Otherwise, I think I'd take my chances on McCarthy being able to get more out of this roster than Garrett ever could. Particularly the offense.

Although, as I mentioned in the 2019 thread, a lot of that will depend on whether or not Kellen Moore is foisted on him.

Edit: Fuck. I hope those reports Greg29 mentions are not accurate. That would be a disaster.
 

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McCarthy is far from perfect, but he's a significant upgrade on Garrett.
 

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This is what I was talking about for the record

Of those four coaches, the only one I'd want to see retained would be Colombo. The other three, for various and in some cases obvious reasons, will need to go. I don't necessarily think retaining Brown would be a disaster but I don't think putting a different voice in Zeke's ear would be the worst thing in the world.

If Moore stays this will be a disaster by Year 3 and they will have wasted Prescott's prime years in exactly the same way they wasted Romo's.
 

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Good thing we can stop pretending the Rooney Rule is still a thing. More honored in the breach, indeed.
Seriously. This Marvin Lewis being the new Dennis Green thing is totally jumping the shark.
 

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It's not like the most successful coaching hire of 2019 was the 1 minority coach hired out of 8 hires made, or anything.
 

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Good thing we can stop pretending the Rooney Rule is still a thing. More honored in the breach, indeed.
I feel like a lot of the benefit of the Rooney Rule is getting up-and-coming minority coaches in front of owners and getting their names out in public as candidates. Does Flores get the Miami gig if he doesn't interview with Arizona the year before? I don't know, but maybe not. Interviewing Marvin Lewis does nothing in this area. If you're gonna just do a token interview to satisfy the Rooney Rule, at least talk to Jon Embree or one of the other Fritz Pollard guys.
 

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It's not like the most successful coaching hire of 2019 was the 1 minority coach hired out of 8 hires made, or anything.
I know that field is rather uninspiring but Matt LaFleur might have something to say about that particular distinction.
 

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McCarthy sucks...I don't expect him to be any better than Garrett.

I only have some faith in the 2020 season because 2019 was so anomalous statistically that a revision to the mean would probably put this team back in the playoffs.
 

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McCarthy sucks...I don't expect him to be any better than Garrett.

I only have some faith in the 2020 season because 2019 was so anomalous statistically that a revision to the mean would probably put this team back in the playoffs.
I agree. At best, this is a lateral move. McCarthy barely won any big games with Rodgers in his prime. And Rodgers in his prime was one of the more dynamic players in the NFL. He is no longer that. And Green Bay always lost their big games to teams they should have beaten.

Also, I don't think Dak's ceiling is as high as Rodgers in his prime. We'll see, but I think this is a horrendous coaching move.
 

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I agree. At best, this is a lateral move. McCarthy barely won any big games with Rodgers in his prime. And Rodgers in his prime was one of the more dynamic players in the NFL. He is no longer that. And Green Bay always lost their big games to teams they should have beaten.

Also, I don't think Dak's ceiling is as high as Rodgers in his prime. We'll see, but I think this is a horrendous coaching move.
Yep....considering what he had in GB, I think the track record there is pretty underwhelming. Rodgers in his prime was arguably the best QB in the NFL for a couple years there. It's no knock on Dak or anyone else if they can't reach that ceiling.

In my fantasy world, I'd love to see what a guy like Andy Reid could do with Dak...but obviously that isn't a plausible option. I wouldn't have hated McDaniels though....I know the Patriots fans in here are a bit sour on him after the end to this season offensively, but I think his style would be interesting with a QB that has the mobility of Dak and he's probably ready to be a HC in his second try now.
 

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Yep....considering what he had in GB, I think the track record there is pretty underwhelming. Rodgers in his prime was arguably the best QB in the NFL for a couple years there. It's no knock on Dak or anyone else if they can't reach that ceiling.

In my fantasy world, I'd love to see what a guy like Andy Reid could do with Dak...but obviously that isn't a plausible option. I wouldn't have hated McDaniels though....I know the Patriots fans in here are a bit sour on him after the end to this season offensively, but I think his style would be interesting with a QB that has the mobility of Dak and he's probably ready to be a HC in his second try now.
Couldn't it be argued that the overall talent on the offense is at least comparable to those Green Bay teams, though? I think we all would have hated to see what Rodgers could have done with someone like Zeke in the backfield with him. If they can keep the trio of Cooper-Gallup-Cobb at wide receiver and add someone a little more consistent than Jarwin at tight end, I'd love to see what he could do with that offense. Especially if he can do something about Dak's footwork and accuracy issues.

The defense will be another story entirely but that late-season choke job should give them enough draft capital to address some of the issues on that side of the ball.

I'm not saying McCarthy was my top choice - or even in my top 5 - but, as retreads go, I'm not sure there were too many better options.
 

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Couldn't it be argued that the overall talent on the offense is at least comparable to those Green Bay teams, though? I think we all would have hated to see what Rodgers could have done with someone like Zeke in the backfield with him. If they can keep the trio of Cooper-Gallup-Cobb at wide receiver and add someone a little more consistent than Jarwin at tight end, I'd love to see what he could do with that offense. Especially if he can do something about Dak's footwork and accuracy issues.

The defense will be another story entirely but that late-season choke job should give them enough draft capital to address some of the issues on that side of the ball.

I'm not saying McCarthy was my top choice - or even in my top 5 - but, as retreads go, I'm not sure there were too many better options.
I mean, in the context of who Jerry was gonna hire, this is probably about as good as we could expect since he wasn't going to hire some new guy making the leap. So I agree there....I was more lamenting that I'm not expecting it to produce that much change and he's probably overrated if one only looks at his record. He probably comes with at least a modicum of credibility for the locker room at least. He has the SB ring as a HC to show these clowns.

I'm expecting he will receive pretty good marks next year regardless though. Even if he is a carbon copy of The Clapper, the team will likely not underperform their peripherals so drastically next year, plus they'll get the 2nd place schedule so I'm expecting a bit of a rebound....but I think Cowboys fans as a whole have enough division titles recently....it's time for deep playoff runs.

This is all assuming that they have all their offensive weapons back in place, which I think is a fairly safe assumption....though I have some creeping doubts about Cooper with his finish to the season and Gallup's big leap. Though admittedly Cooper was basically playing on one leg the final 6 weeks. I agree defense is a problem....maybe they will finally get a real safety. If LVE can return healthy, that will be a big boost too...the defense absolutely suffered once he went down for the season.
 

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Sounds like Mike Nolan is being brought in to be the defensive coordinator...another unimpressive hire.

 

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Sounds like Mike Nolan is being brought in to be the defensive coordinator...another unimpressive hire.

Yeah. The more I learn about his exploits, the less I like the hire. When being the last head coach to wear a suit on the sideline is your calling card, that doesn't bode well.

Couple that with the fact that it's looking more and more likely that Kellen Moore will be staying on and we can safely say the honeymoon didn't even last a day before we went right back to the samey same same bullshit. Not that we should have expected any differently but what little hope we had went "poof" right with Mike McCarthy's dignity sometime in the wee hours of Monday morning.
 

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Sean Payton says he's talking to Brees tomorrow about playing next season, indicating no rule has been keeping McCarthy from talking to Prescott.
 

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I have no idea how accurate this tweet is, but the feature article on McCarthy's retooling "sabbatical" was such promotional copy.
His press conference kind of bore that out - at least on the analytics side. Maybe he was being coy but the lack of depth in his answers was pretty telling that it's likely a bunch of hot air.

Not that it matters anyway. He'll be replaced by Kellen Moore long before his offensive scheme gets stale.
 

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He'll be replaced by Kellen Moore long before his offensive scheme gets stale.
Not that I was going out on a limb or anything but it's already begun. It's Wade Phillips and Jason Garrett all over again with the announcement that Moore will continue to call plays. I predict McCarthy will be gone and replaced by Moore before the clock strikes midnight on December 31, 2022.
 

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Not that I was going out on a limb or anything but it's already begun. It's Wade Phillips and Jason Garrett all over again with the announcement that Moore will continue to call plays. I predict McCarthy will be gone and replaced by Moore before the clock strikes midnight on December 31, 2022.
That should be enough to send shivers down the spine of any Cowboys fan... yeesh.
 

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That should be enough to send shivers down the spine of any Cowboys fan... yeesh.
It would if it weren't all so predictable. The instant they announced the hiring of a retread coach - rather than someone who would require a long-term investment like Matt Ruhle - I knew this hire was nothing more than a seat warmer for Moore.
 

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Ok. So it seems the consensus from many knowledgeable folks is that the Cowboys had an excellent draft. Who knew Jerrah would still listen to Will McClay and Stephen while hiding out on his yacht?

1. Stole WR CeeDee Lamb at 17 (many thought he’d go top 10-12.

2. Nabbed CB Trevon Diggs at 51 (many thought he could go late first round or certainly early 2nd)

3. Grabbed DT Neville Gallimore at 82. Some thought he’d go in 2nd round.

After the top 3 rounds the predraft grades on each player tend to bounce around more but most analysts still liked taking CB Reggie Robinson II at 123 and they loved trading up to 146 to nab C Tyler Biadasz as an eventual Travis Frederick replacement. I don’t know anything about Bradlee Anae but a lot of folks seemed to think that was a real value pick as well at 179. They grabbed the token McCarthy QB project in the 7th round but he’s prob a long shot to make the roster over Cooper Rush. Unless DAL wants to carry 3 QBs.
 

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Cooper/Lamb/Gallup is such a dynamic trio. I loved the Lamb pick for Dallas, especially given Cooper’s injury history. This is going to be one high octane offense.
 

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Cooper/Lamb/Gallup is such a dynamic trio. I loved the Lamb pick for Dallas, especially given Cooper’s injury history. This is going to be one high octane offense.
Yeah. I was expecting them to semi-reach for a CB there. But that was an awesome strategy. Just take best player and juice your offense even more. You need to score a ton in today’s NFL so might as well add to strength there.

They got their value CB picks later on anyways.
 

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Yeah. I was expecting them to semi-reach for a CB there. But that was an awesome strategy. Just take best player and juice your offense even more. You need to score a ton in today’s NFL so might as well add to strength there.

They got their value CB picks later on anyways.
Agreed. They couldn’t have scripted their first 2 picks any better. At some point Dak will drop his demands a smidge and they’ll be off and running. Of course, Mike McCarthy is probably the last coach I’d want with this kind of personnel given his conservative tendencies.
 

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I absolutely loved their draft, which is scaring the heck out of me. Even the JMU QB from round seven isn't w/o a chance based on his gaudy senior season stats and the lack of depth they have at the position. I read the Pats had interviewed him, plus the Bears and Browns.
 

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Agreed. They couldn’t have scripted their first 2 picks any better. At some point Dak will drop his demands a smidge and they’ll be off and running. Of course, Mike McCarthy is probably the last coach I’d want with this kind of personnel given his conservative tendencies.
I'm sort of in a wait-and-see mode with this. Kellen Moore showed very wide-open tendencies to start the year last year until Garrett slapped on the governor (aka, Zeke was fully 100%). I don't really know if McCarthy is more conservative than Garrett but I'm willing to see how it plays out before throwing him under the bus.

I'd say the analytics thing is a point in his favor but I'm taking the same approach with that. Though I am a bit more cynical about that actually being a thing since it seemed like it was mainly lipservice.
 

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Cooper/Lamb/Gallup is such a dynamic trio. I loved the Lamb pick for Dallas, especially given Cooper’s injury history. This is going to be one high octane offense.
Cooper has missed 3 games in his career. What injury history?
 

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But get his ~75 receptions and ~1000 yards almost every year, so even hurt he’s pretty damn good.
 

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I'm sort of in a wait-and-see mode with this. Kellen Moore showed very wide-open tendencies to start the year last year until Garrett slapped on the governor (aka, Zeke was fully 100%). I don't really know if McCarthy is more conservative than Garrett but I'm willing to see how it plays out before throwing him under the bus.

I'd say the analytics thing is a point in his favor but I'm taking the same approach with that. Though I am a bit more cynical about that actually being a thing since it seemed like it was mainly lipservice.
Perfectly fair to wait and see. I just think that the Garrett and McCarthy types do a disservice to the team when you have this kind of talent on offense. Dak is a pretty solid QB. Zeke is an elite RB. Cooper is a pro bowl WR. Gallup just put up 66/1106/6 in his age 23 season, basically Brandin Cooks numbers minus a few receptions due to volume. And now you’re adding an elite WR prospect in Lamb. As a fan of football, I want to see this team let loose and play aggressive. Just hope the coaching staff lets them.
 

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But get his ~75 receptions and ~1000 yards almost every year, so even hurt he’s pretty damn good.
Not disputing that but he always seems to be dinged so even though he plays, some games he’s a non factor and the offense suffers because of it.
 

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Not disputing that but he always seems to be dinged so even though he plays, some games he’s a non factor and the offense suffers because of it.
He was definitely dinged in the 2nd half of last season pretty badly. He fell off a cliff and it coincided with his leg/knee injury worsening against the Lions.
 

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In FF it felt like he was always a game-time decision. The guy still produces, he just makes you sweat it out leading into the game.
 

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In FF it felt like he was always a game-time decision. The guy still produces, he just makes you sweat it out leading into the game.
If he's healthy, he will have sick production. I mean, just look at the 2nd half of 2018 after the trade and even when he was "mostly healthy" in early 2019. I say "mostly healthy" because he was dealing with a foot issue in early 2019, but it clearly wasn't as serious as the knee/ankle/quad issues he developed later in the season. He's still only 25 years old, so I'd expect big numbers from him for several years anyway.

The one silver lining with his injury situation is he has shown the ability to play through them....even if at reduced production. 75% production for him is still very good.
 

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If he's healthy, he will have sick production. I mean, just look at the 2nd half of 2018 after the trade and even when he was "mostly healthy" in early 2019. I say "mostly healthy" because he was dealing with a foot issue in early 2019, but it clearly wasn't as serious as the knee/ankle/quad issues he developed later in the season. He's still only 25 years old, so I'd expect big numbers from him for several years anyway.

The one silver lining with his injury situation is he has shown the ability to play through them....even if at reduced production. 75% production for him is still very good.
Presence of Lamb should also allow him to be more conservative with his returns. For past 2 years, Cowboys passing game has shut down without Cooper. Now, you can rest him and still Lamb/Gallup out there, which is a pairing us Pats fans would drool over.
 

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Presence of Lamb should also allow him to be more conservative with his returns. For past 2 years, Cowboys passing game has shut down without Cooper. Now, you can rest him and still Lamb/Gallup out there, which is a pairing us Pats fans would drool over.
Gallup has been sneaky in how quickly he's developing into a very good receiver. I would think Lamb being added into the equation is going to be a nightmare for opposing defenses.
 

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Dallas talk radio and all the talking head shows on tv get to go on autopilot after every Cowboys loss now, calling for the Red Rifle to take over for Dak.