2020-2021 NBA Game Thread
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Looks like you guys won't get to see JDub drop 50 on you tomorrow.
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Bleh. With Chriss and Smailagic also hurt, fragile Looney is now our only healthy C, with 6-6 Draymond and Paschall backing him up. Trash Bros. will see a lot of time at the 4.
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Bleh. With Chriss and Smailagic also hurt, fragile Looney is now our only healthy C, with 6-6 Draymond and Paschall backing him up. Trash Bros. will see a lot of time at the 4.
This Hawks-Lakers game is pretty fun. Hawks playing pretty good defense after a shaky start even with Capela out with three fouls in the first 14 minutes, and Trae has only taken a few shots but instead is lobbing alley-oop passes to literally everyone.
Yep. By far the best value signing in the off-season.
Wood heist, so freaking jealous, not sure what Weaver was thinking?
Wall trade has turned out very well.
Did the best they could with Harden.
Houston had a very impressive offseason. Some under the radar moves:
adding Sterling Brown.
adding Nwaba.
adding rookie Tate on a 3yr deal out of OZ
really like UDR Mason Jones
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This year's version of Wiggins would be great on the C's.
Sadly, as others have said, anyone you trade Kemba for will be worse than Kemba. If there are any young guys on contracts just as bad as Kemba's, I'd gamble on them. I don't think there are any though. It would have to be someone like Wiggins last year.
No, neither will. They are both shooting with about the same efficiency, but Westbrook at least gives you some assists and rebounds. Also turnovers. Washington demands at least one more asset to make the trade.
I'm guessing Kemba will improve some as a shooter. A Westbrook/Smart backcourt with Thompson at center would be particularly brutal.
How many 1st round picks would it take to dump Kemba on the Thunder?
I think if any of the players on rookie deals develop enough to the point someone is willing to take on Kemba, the C's should probably keep that player unless they know they can sign a top 20 guy if they move Kemba's contract.
I wouldn't be opposed to moving some 1st round picks. Just depends how many.
I think if any of the players on rookie deals develop enough to the point someone is willing to take on Kemba, the C's should probably keep that player unless they know they can sign a top 20 guy if they move Kemba's contract.
I wouldn't be opposed to moving some 1st round picks. Just depends how many.
Max Straus is 7/11 and 5/9 from 3. .386 from 3 for the year atm.
Malik Monk went off too, 11/18, 9/13 from 3. 34 points. Just hit a game tying 3. Into OT we go. I was hoping the C's could acquire Monk on the cheap but I'm guessing that ship has sailed.
Malik Monk went off too, 11/18, 9/13 from 3. 34 points. Just hit a game tying 3. Into OT we go. I was hoping the C's could acquire Monk on the cheap but I'm guessing that ship has sailed.
And Devonte Graham adds in some OT buckets to defeat the Heat despite Rozier and Washington sitting out. The Hornets are undeniably fun.
With this trade, Washington saves $25 million over the next three years not including any luxury tax if they have to pay it
Haha. You guys already called me a massive homer for suggesting before the season that the Warriors would not be that hot to flip their 25 y.o., 6-8, athletic SF who guards 1-4, goes toe-to-toe with LeBron and Kawhi, never misses a game, and (now) is hitting 40.6% of his threes and leads all NBA non-centers in blocked shots ... for the pleasure of pairing Steph’s ankles with Kemba’s knees. But since you twisted my arm, I’ll reiterate: the Warriors say no. ;-)
Heck, I’m having a hard time persuading Warrior fans to trade Wiggins and the Minny pick for *Beal.*
Anyway, Jays v. Trash Brothers should be fun tonight. I’ll be pleasantly surprised if our guys aren’t completely abused. On the other hand, locking down Steph without Smart will be a challenge for the Cs. Steph has tended to abuse Kemba even when Kemba was 100%... https://stathead.com/basketball/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id1=curryst01&player_id2=walkeke02
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Today's lesson in "everything is relative" has been brought to you by Sam Ray Not.
HaHa. If Kerr can make Wiggins serviceable, just imagine what he could do with Beal
Wiggins for Beal straight up Warrior Nation! get it done
Yeah defense is a problem but if the Warriors can get Beal, they almost have to imo.
Tjarks proposed this trade last week - there have been rumors about a Wiseman + Minnesota pick to Washington for Beal over the past ~ week and the case for it is compelling for both sides. Wiseman is already showing some glimmers to justify the bullishness in his game but its hard to argue that he will develop on any kind of timeline that gives Golden State another bite at the apple - but he + pick gives the Wizards a pretty big jumpstart on their rebuild. Meanwhile, with the way Curry is playing right now, there is a strong case to be made for the team to go all-in - Beal's situation may force their hand sooner.
Frankly, I don't envy the teams who have to figure out whether to play in this season's trade market. Injuries can and do change team's prospects but shipping off assets during a season impacted by the pandemic all in the hopes of getting past both LA teams is a risky gambit. You don't have to squint to see Beal getting more efficient on a team with Curry's (and next year Thompson's) gravity, Green's playmaking and Kerr at the helm. He may feel reborn on a squad like that.
Fred VanVleet 46 points ... on 18 fga? 11-13 from three with 8 minutes left. Single-game record in jeopardy...
Raptors franchise record 54 now. 17/22 and 11/13 on 3s plus 9/9 ft. Insane game
after watching Wiggins tonight the offer is rescinded
Just kidding, Wiggins looks a lot better... but Oubre
that was an $82.4MM mistake
Yeah, with value of wings, Wiggins actually has a shot to become a $15-20M player if he can keep playing D.after watching Wiggins tonight the offer is rescinded
Just kidding, Wiggins looks a lot better... but Oubre
And man, Beal to the Warriors would be terrifying, especially with Klay back, but even just Curry/Beal/Dray/Wiseman is scary. Curry looks so good now that I think you have to do that deal, and not think twice.
Curry was an absolute monster last night...11 rebounds?...the guy is still a one-man wrecking crew, anytime the Celtics lost him for a second he made them pay with a 3 or a pass. He had no help on the floor and he was running around, getting to where he wanted in full shimmy mode.
The Celtics defense is really unimpressive so far this year
Yeah, “Tsunami Papi” been the biggest disappointment of the season by a wide margin. I can live with all the bricking — cold streaks happen — but the tunnel vision and low hoops IQ is tough to stomach. Two-way journeyman scrub Juan Toscano-Anderson showed more headiness last night than Oubre has shown all season. Painful to think we could have just added Nic Batum (who’s been crushing it) on a minimum contract.after watching Wiggins tonight the offer is rescinded
Just kidding, Wiggins looks a lot better... but Oubre
On the other hand, it’s an expiring contract, and this was kind of a lost / developmental / tryout season when Klay went down, anyway. The $80M tax hit hurts only Lacob’s wallet, which is probably in okay shape given the $4.5 billion dollar return on investment he has realized since buying the team for $500M ten years ago.
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One of those is not like the other.
But either way, wouldn't Wiseman have to be going to WAS in any trade scenario? The aren't trading Beal for just the MIN pick
Has anyone noticed how ridiculously good FT shooting has been this season?
Seth Curry 100% (25-25)
Jordan Clarkson 97.2% (35-36)
Chris Paul 96.6% (57-59)
Kyrie Irving 94.8% (55-58)
Damian Lillard 94.7% (144-152)
Immanuel Quickley 94.2% (49-52)
Stephen Curry 92.9% (104-112)
Khris Middleton 92.2% (59-64)
Kawhi Leonard 91.5% (97-106)
Paul George 91.4% (74-81)
Seems late in the season to have that many guys shooting that lights out. Working hypothesis: the lack of crowd noise, thundersticks, etc. helps.
Seth Curry 100% (25-25)
Jordan Clarkson 97.2% (35-36)
Chris Paul 96.6% (57-59)
Kyrie Irving 94.8% (55-58)
Damian Lillard 94.7% (144-152)
Immanuel Quickley 94.2% (49-52)
Stephen Curry 92.9% (104-112)
Khris Middleton 92.2% (59-64)
Kawhi Leonard 91.5% (97-106)
Paul George 91.4% (74-81)
Seems late in the season to have that many guys shooting that lights out. Working hypothesis: the lack of crowd noise, thundersticks, etc. helps.
Yeah, Wiseman + Oubre + Minny pick makes the most sense for Washington, as it sets them up big time for the future without saddling them with any unwanted contracts (since Oubre comes off the books at the end of the season). Not sure if I or Bob Myers are willing to give up that much, tho.
Edit: also not sure if Lacob/Myers are willing to carry five max or near-max guys, none of whom is a true center.
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I dunno, I suspect if you checked at this point in prior seasons you'd see the same type of outliers. The league average this year = 77.1 and the for the past five years it was 75.7, 77.2, 76.7, 76.6, 77.3, so if your hypothesis is true, it's only really holding for the top guys, which would be strange.
I looked back quick(ley).
77.1% this year
77.3% last (should try and separate bubble)
77.6% year prior
75.9 in ‘09-‘10
75.0 in ‘99-‘00
76.4 in ‘89-‘90 and ‘79-‘80
75.1 in ‘69-‘70
73.5 in ‘59-‘60
Yeah, I guess I like Wiseman, but you’re right that more value probably has to go out.
Interesting, thanks. Will have to see what happens as the sample grows, but it wouldn’t shock me if there were a marginal “silence effect” that helped the elite shooters more than the average Joes.
3 point shooting too. Through last night's games, there are 64 qualifying players shooting 40.0% of better on 3PA. Last season, there were 28 and the year prior only 22. To crack the top 100 in the NBA in 3P% right now you need to hit 37.0%. Last year it was 35.5%. The year prior 34.4%. I'm sure there is some attrition that will set in as guys get hurt and miss games, but seems to be a notable uptick.
Last season, meaning the entire season? Or only the first 20 games? If the former, you aren't comparing apples to apples.
I just checked last season through about 20 games requiring at least 20 3PA (my understanding is you need 82 3PA to qualify over an 82 game season) and I get way more than 28 players shooting 40% or better. (I counted 65.)
I just checked last season through about 20 games requiring at least 20 3PA (my understanding is you need 82 3PA to qualify over an 82 game season) and I get way more than 28 players shooting 40% or better. (I counted 65.)
Speaking of three-point marksmanship ... Paul George quietly dropped 8 of 9 from three last night and is now .478 from distance on the season, on 8.3 attempts per 36.
.508/.478/.905 shooting splits.
25.8 pts on .662 ts / 6.6 reb / 5.8 ast per 36, with a +14.1 net on-off for the team with the best net rating in the West.
Gotta be the most underrated superstar in the league at this point, surpassing previous title-holder Kyle Lowry. How often does he crack anyone's Top 10? I'd probably put him ahead of ESPN's so-called #2 player Anthony Davis.
.508/.478/.905 shooting splits.
25.8 pts on .662 ts / 6.6 reb / 5.8 ast per 36, with a +14.1 net on-off for the team with the best net rating in the West.
Gotta be the most underrated superstar in the league at this point, surpassing previous title-holder Kyle Lowry. How often does he crack anyone's Top 10? I'd probably put him ahead of ESPN's so-called #2 player Anthony Davis.
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He's pretty close to my top 10 when he's healthy. There were players named that would be arguably better than/as good as Tatum and a healthy Paul George was on a bunch of lists. I do think George flips from being overrated to underrated and underrated to overrated far more than most players. Him and Jimmy Butler.
The league is now shooting .368 from 3 as a whole.
Previous 10 seasons in DECSENDING order (2020 to 2011).
.358
.355
.362
.357
.354
.350
.360
.359
.349
.358
Kinda ridiculous.
On another note, I took some flack for viewing Sabonis as being better/more valuable than Brown before the season started and seeing his ceiling as a top 15 guy. I was also convinced he would add the 3 point shot to his game and that his playmaking skills would be used considerably more. A mini Jokic so to speak. All of that has happened... but Brown decided to go nuclear.
Sabonis is having a year though, 21.6 points, 12.0 rebounds, 5.7 assists on .559/.373/.699 shooting.
People down on Sabonis are probably down on playoff fit, and are likely also going to be somewhat down on all bigs that can only play drop against PnR. I think it's a legitimate concern, and one you can have about other pretty high profile bigs like Gobert and Embiid.
Sabonis is clearly having a great start to his season but his RPM delta is tiny (as we have noted, its noisy given the relatively SSS of game data) and he is pretty much at the level he has been at the past few years in terms of boards and defense. Most of his improvement thus far is essentially from shooting - he has been more efficient on regular shots and shooting above league avg on 3s while upping his volume. That said, his playmaking ability seems to have improved as well. In short, he hasn't made the leap Brown has this year but he is clearly showing progression in skill sets that makes him a candidate to be considered one of the tops at his "position".
The Pacers really did fairly well in the George trade, all things considered.
He gets hurt all the time and has won just a single playoff series in the last 6 years, which he followed up with his role in the Clippers' collapse last year. I think when healthy he's considered a borderline top 10 guy in the regular season, which is a proper rating. We're pretty far removed from those back to back EC finals losses to LeBron, he's not going to get any additional recognition until he proves something in the playoffs.