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The story of this season is our good guys fucking up at the most impactful moments.
 

Norm Siebern

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The Red Sox players should revitalize the old baseball tradition of having a clubhouse "Kangaroo Court," where a veteran player "Judge" levies fines against players for transgressions during a game. Missing signs, throwing to the wrong base, etc.

The first fine to be levied should be thousands of dollars fined to any pitcher who walks the lead off batter in an inning.
 

Sprowl

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Whew. Vazquez barely made it back to the plate in time. I'm surprised there was no appeal.
 

DennyDoyle'sBoil

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I've never seen that play. I've always known that was a force play at any base but I've never actually seen it where the catcher tags home. I've actually seen it a few times where the catcher throws to first for the out and gets it that way instead of just stepping on the plate.
 

DennyDoyle'sBoil

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Wait, what? It’s a force play at the plate there? I guess that makes sense, but I’ve never seen that.
Yup -- it can only happen with two outs. When the catcher throws to first base it's also a force which is why the fielder only needs to touch the base not the runner.

And since it's a force at first, all runners are obligated to run which makes it a force at the base which they hope to acquire.

The most important part of the rule is that because it's a force play there is not any timing, and so you can get the out at first, second or third there and the run doesn't score even if it crosses the plate before the out is made.
 

DennyDoyle'sBoil

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Why wouldn't it be?
If he went back to 3rd
That runner goes back to 2nd
That runner goes back to 1st
The hitter has nowhere to go.

Same as if the hitter had bunted the ball.
He has to go somewhere - setting up a force.
The important part, though, is two outs. If there were one or none out and the runner on third in bases loaded tries to score on a third strike not caught, it's not a force and the catcher would have to tag the runner to get him out and it's a timing play at the other bases (but that would virtually never come in to play).

That's the wrinkle that makes the play interesting.