2019 WS - Nationals vs. Astros - Gamethread

genoasalami

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There you go, clearly the right call.
Rule 5.09 (a)(11) Comment (Rule 6.05(k) Comment): The lines marking the three-foot lane are a part of that lane and a batter-runner is required to have both feet within the three-foot lane or on the lines marking the lane. The batter-runner is permitted to exit the three-foot lane by means of a step, stride, reach or slide in the immediate vicinity of first base for the sole purpose of touching first base.
 

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Don't know if it will be overturned but I don't understand sending the runner that was on first back to first.
That part of the rule makes sense. Jeter was sent back to first after the slappy play. Basically, the play becomes "there's a foul on the play, therefore the person committing it is out, and everything else returns to the state it was in before the foul". You can't let the offense gain an advantage out of violating the rules, which is what any other choice would result in.
 

strek1

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Hey guys, go to youtube MLB and you will see similiar plays called for the same interference. You might not like the call but what just happened has been called before. It's not a terrible call. You can hate the rule but the rule says the Ump is justified to make that call.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Runner+called+for+running+out+of+baseline+to+first+base&safe=off&sxsrf=ACYBGNRy2_ZD2JP79i_C0LCCA0qxkvwkXw:1572404717989&source=lnms&tbm=vid&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiHkaKFgMPlAhUkSN8KHdxKAo0Q_AUIEigC&biw=967&bih=488
 

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There was no line of site or impediment of the throw issue. The ball was up the line. It's not like it was 1 foot in front of the plate.
If you want to argue there was no interference with the throw, that’s a judgment call. Doubt always resolved in favor of the fielder. I think it was easy there. But that’s not what most people are arguing. He was not in or exiting the lane.

Is a shitty throw a benefit to the defense under 6.05k? Yep. Sometimes.
 

rajendra82

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Smoltz blaming the five Osillos affecting the reliever and being the cause for the home run, just as Stras appears unaffected.
 

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Rule 5.09 (a)(11) Comment (Rule 6.05(k) Comment): The lines marking the three-foot lane are a part of that lane and a batter-runner is required to have both feet within the three-foot lane or on the lines marking the lane. The batter-runner is permitted to exit the three-foot lane by means of a step, stride, reach or slide in the immediate vicinity of first base for the sole purpose of touching first base.
Thank you for quoting the entire rule.
 

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5.09 Making An Out
A Batter is out when:
(a) Retiring The Batter
(11) In running the last half of the distance from home base to first base, while the ball is being fielded to first base, he runs outside (to the right of ) the three-foot line, or inside (to the left of ) the foul line, and in the umpire’s judgment in so doing interferes with the fielder taking the throw at first base, in which case the ball is dead; except that he may run outside (to the right of ) the three-foot line or inside (to the left of) the foul line to avoid a fielder attempting to field a batted ball;

If the ball is dead, I believe that keeps the runner from advancing,
 

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he was standing on the base when the ball hit him
Standing on the bag with his left foot.

For Turner, as an RHB, to run straight to first, the only straight path he can take is the path he took. He hit the bag with his left foot after running in a straight line!

Anyone who says the call was correct is saying you want Turner to actively make a noticeable detour in his running path. That can't be what you want, can it?


also, Turner is fast.
also, let's just be happy he didn't slide.
 

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Anyone who says the call was correct is saying you want Turner to actively make a noticeable detour in his running path. That can't be what you want, can it?
Yes, that's exactly what should happen, it's not like a right turn, it's just a step to his right to get inside the lines and he has 45 feet to do it.
 

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zimmerman has been bad all series. glad to see him get the first HR but he has looked washed up all season
 

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Yes, that's exactly what should happen, it's not like a right turn, it's just a step to his right to get inside the lines and he has 45 feet to do it.
He's full out sprinting. All he cares about is foot turnover. It's a 27 yard dash.
When you're at full speed like that any sideways step slows you down. It would have been a noticeably awkward detour.
 

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Rule 5.09 (a)(11) Comment (Rule 6.05(k) Comment): The lines marking the three-foot lane are a part of that lane and a batter-runner is required to have both feet within the three-foot lane or on the lines marking the lane. The batter-runner is permitted to exit the three-foot lane by means of a step, stride, reach or slide in the immediate vicinity of first base for the sole purpose of touching first base.
Thanks for this. This confirms it as a good call, mea culpa originally. Which, it ought to be more consistently applied but hey. I think of rule adherence contrasted with rule consistency, I’d take the former. And that’s what this is. The runner was simply never in the lane.
 

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I know everyone hates umps, especially when they make an unexpected call that goes against the team you favor.

But to me, whatever one wants to say about umps , that call right there is everything that is good about human umpiring. They absolutely fucking nailed it, didn’t hesitate and got it right. In real time. In a crucial spot. The second they are afraid not to make the right call because people don’t understand the rule or because it is unusual is when we have a problem, as the NFL is learning.

This call is the Joe West fan interference call on Mookie’s attempted catch against the Astros. He fucking nailed it, even if only we Red Sox fans know it.
 

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He's full out sprinting. All he cares about is foot turnover. It's a 27 yard dash.
When you're at full speed like that any sideways step slows you down. It would have been a noticeably awkward detour.
Slows you down and risks injury. Especially when trying to land on a raised bag. I still don’t understand why they use bags and not plates for all the bases.
 

strek1

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I get that the call pisses people off. The call isn't made a lot but when it is people always get pissed. Fans, coaches and players. It seems like a chickenshit rule but they came up with it for a reason.