2019 Week 8 NFL Game Thread

Euclis20

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I've always thought Reid was a fantastic coach. Yeah, his clock management has some epic negative highlight reels in his career, but he probably has been a little unlucky to boot not to win a SB.
Yeah, IMO he's at the very top of the list when you're talking about the best coach in the league outside of NE. He's been a HC for 20 years, has had a top 3 QB for exactly 1 season, and he's been at or above .500 for 17 years. That's just incredible.
 

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Is Hands to the Face the new penalty that gets called in critical situations? Because I've seen it called a ton this year where it's completely changed games...and I just don't remember that happening at all in other years. Is this a new rule or something?

Edit or what OFC also said above.
 

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This hands to the face is getting silly. Patriots got the advantage of one today too on a third down stop I think.
 

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Refs trying for payback when they gift-wrapped a game for GB that they should have lost to Detroit?
 

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This hands to the face is getting silly. Patriots got the advantage of one today too on a third down stop I think.
Wasn't it called twice in the Lions/Packers game that really changed that game around?

edit: or what TFiN also just said...lol
 

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Have yourself a game you Chefs defense you. Good thing they shitcanned their defensive coordinator after last year as he clearly was the problem.
 

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Didn't realize how fast Aaron Jones was prior to tonight even though I've seen him play in several games already.
 

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Second and inches was actually better than getting the first down there. Means an extra 40 seconds on the other side of the 2:00 if they can use six seconds here.
 

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Shocking that the Chiefs defense can't stop any runs up the middle when it matters most. Shocking.
 

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Andy Reid. Cost his team 40 seconds on the other side of the 2-minute warning.
To not know the stakes when a play starts at 2:46 and you have one time out left is absolutely shocking. Just wait three seconds to see whether the play clock starts in time to require a play before the two minute warning.

It costs you absolutely nothing. If they start the play clock late, just call your time out at 2:35.
 

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Rotten time out. Play ended at 2:41. Have to give it a second to see the play clock.
Yeah, I'm not sure if it was rotten (the clock operators have been slow pretty often this year in setting the play clock), but it was definitely worth giving it a few seconds to see if it was going to be worth calling one there.
 

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Haha, so the ref who saw it thought it was a penalty, but everyone who didn't see it just said "let's end the game." Great job, NFL.
 

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Haha, so the ref who saw it thought it was a penalty, but everyone who didn't see it just said "let's end the game." Great job, NFL.
I also think it should have been a 25 second clock if it was an inadvertent whistle. We’ve seen that rule before. Didn’t matter but Vinovich just wanted out.
 

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To not know the stakes when a play starts at 2:46 and you have one time out left is absolutely shocking. Just wait three seconds to see whether the play clock starts in time to require a play before the two minute warning.

It costs you absolutely nothing. If they start the play clock late, just call your time out at 2:35.
And I don't think it's just inattenton to detail in the heat of the moment. It happens so often with certain coaches that I think they just can't grasp this concept in general and only use timeouts either to stop the clock or to "save them" without any thought about how best to use them. You know if that was Belichick, he would have anticipated the run outside to kill the clock, set the edge, and blown up that play in the backfield.
 

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I literally have no idea what to think of Andy Reid. He’s obviously a very gifted play caller, and his teams win a lot of regular season games. But I wouldn’t want him anywhere near the Pats.
If you couldn't / didn't have Belichick, what coach would you most want out of the current league? My pick would be Reid, there are other defensible picks, but you're either lying or crazy if you say he's not in your top 5.
 

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If you couldn't / didn't have Belichick, what coach would you most want out of the current league? My pick would be Reid, there are other defensible picks, but you're either lying or crazy if you say he's not in your top 5.
I mean, maybe any of the coaches that have won a SB, plus McVey, Shanahan and Reich?
 

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k, I'll go with "crazy" on that one.

Carroll and Harbaugh I'll give you - I still pick Reid, but they're proven. But Pederson? McVay? You'd pick Frank Reich, he of the 7 career games coached, ahead of any non-Belichick coach?
 

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k, I'll go with "crazy" on that one.

Carroll and Harbaugh I'll give you - I still pick Reid, but they're proven. But Pederson? McVay? You'd pick Frank Reich, he of the 7 career games coached, ahead of any non-Belichick coach?
Andy Reid has never won a Super Bowl. I think he’s only made it to 1. His teams consistently fall apart when it matters. Seems like Reich was the brains behind the Eagles win. Yeah, I’d take the guy with the higher upside.
 

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I mean, it was Reid's front office and coaching philosophy that won for Philly, hell some of his core roster too (Jason Kelce, Jason Peters, Foles of course, Fletcher Cox, Celek, Brandon Graham, Curry, etc etc). Dude's got a 20-year history of building great rosters, identifying and developing QBs, getting the whole to be more than the sum of its parts. But sure, Frank Reich.

Getting on him for getting pantsed by Belichick and Brady twice when it mattered seems to me like getting on Billy Beane for his shit not working in the playoffs.

Jon Gruden - whose autocorrect suggestion is "trident", btw - won a title too. You'd take him over Andy Reid?
 

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I mean, it was Reid's front office and coaching philosophy that won for Philly, hell some of his core roster too (Jason Kelce, Jason Peters, Foles of course, Fletcher Cox, Celek, Brandon Graham, Curry, etc etc). Dude's got a 20-year history of building great rosters, identifying and developing QBs, getting the whole to be more than the sum of its parts. But sure, Frank Reich.

Getting on him for getting pantsed by Belichick and Brady twice when it mattered seems to me like getting on Billy Beane for his shit not working in the playoffs.

Jon Gruden - whose autocorrect suggestion is "trident", btw - won a title too. You'd take him over Andy Reid?
No. Not Jon Gruden.

Look, if Reid’s teams didn’t constantly lose in the playoffs because he makes weird calls, or loses track of time or has a QB puking on the sidelines, I’d get that. Billy Beane’s teams don’t always lose in the playoffs because he constantly constructs them with the same weakness.

Maybe you can look to Bill’s 3 SB losses and point to bad decisions. Maybe have Ghost kick that field goal in the Scottish Game. Maybe play Malcom against the Eagles. Maybe put glue on Welker’s gloves in the second Giants’ Super Bowl.

But, every time I watch Reid coach in the playoffs he does something dumb that even I know in the moment is dumb. He’s not a winner winner. I’d take my chances with guys who have gone all the way, or have the potential to.

20 years in the league and a couple silver medals tells you where his ceiling is.