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I generally don't play the trade game, but if the farm is empty, would Sox trade 10-D and or Chavis (Devers is not going anywhere) for a good set-up guy or closer?
 

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There is no way in hell I'd trade Benintendi for a reliever. I highly doubt DD would either.
So you're saying there's a chance?

I like 10-D a lot, he's going to be around for a long time, I like Chavis too, and I would prefer not trading either guy, but given the sentiment they don't have prospect currency to get good late inning guy and compete in the trade market with other teams, my proposal was in response to the "Sox were in on Diaz". And if they don't have prospects then they have to deal everyday guys, and presumably guys with a decent upside and years of control that the Mets would want.
 

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So you're saying there's a chance?

I like 10-D a lot, he's going to be around for a long time, I like Chavis too, and I would prefer not trading either guy, but given the sentiment they don't have prospect currency to get good late inning guy and compete in the trade market with other teams, my proposal was in response to the "Sox were in on Diaz". And if they don't have prospects then they have to deal everyday guys, and presumably guys with a decent upside and years of control that the Mets would want.
The Sox also need cost controlled guys to offset so many expensive contracts. The value of Benintendi, Rodriguez, and Devers extends beyond their on-field talent.
 

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The Sox also need cost controlled guys to offset so many expensive contracts. The value of Benintendi, Rodriguez, and Devers extends beyond their on-field talent.
I understand.

The point was if they are in on Diaz and have no prospect currency to be competive with other bidders for Diaz, what is the currency they are using to theoretically be competitive?
 

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I understand.

The point was if they are in on Diaz and have no prospect currency to be competive with other bidders for Diaz, what is the currency they are using to theoretically be competitive?
The real answer is that they aren't theoretically competitive, unless the Mets love Chavis and Darwinson
 

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The real answer is that they aren't theoretically competitive, unless the Mets love Chavis and Darwinson
Chavis wouldn’t seem to have a spot there behind Cano, Alonso, Lowrie, Smith, and McNeil, and they’re already taken on a similar hitting project in J.D. Davis. Beni seems too similar to Nimmo, but who knows.

Like A.J. Preller five years ago, Brodie seems antsy and impetuous and I’d want DD to trade with him, particularly if the Yanks are locked out of the room, but I’m not sure where the match is. If they’re pivoting from Diaz and moving him at a discount that’s one thing — he’s been a victim of that awful defense — but I’d rather send Chavis for a lower profile fireballer with a bunch of team control like Leclerc, Moronta, Garrett or Bradley.
 

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I can't see any way a deal for Diaz gets done. Brodie Van Wagenen has to somehow move forward from the disaster that was last off season. He had to take on most of Cano's contract and part with prospects to get Diaz who has been a huge disappointment so far. Jed Lowerie hasn't played an inning, Keon Broxton was brought in to help address a need in center field and had about 50 ABs before the Mets parted ways with him and Jeurys Familia has been a complete dumpster fire. Wilson Ramos has been decent for them but I'm suspecting that they expected a bit more from him, they have players playing out of position all over the place and they are a terrible defensive team. So what do the Sox have to offer for Diaz? They need a center fielder as well a second baseman or third baseman depending on where McNeil slots in. I think they have to ask for at least one MLB ready player. They also need bullpen help, but that's not coming their way via Boston. They probably have rotation needs as well if they move Wheeler and/or Syndergard. Again I don't see that coming from Boston. So I would have to think that Benintendi or Chavis would be in the mix and wonder if the Sox entertain any thought of taking Cano depending on how much money the Mets are willing to eat. Now mind you I'm not advocating this, but since the two teams have been linked I'm just wondering how the Sox could potentially be in the mix for Diaz.
 

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I wonder if either team would do JBJ for Diaz. Mets really need a CF.
JBJ is under team control for one more season after this one. Do you think the Mets will be good next season?

I expect they'll be interested in players they could control through 2023 or 2024, lining up a wave of young talent with Alonso, McNeil, and Frazier to go with the newly extended deGrom and Syndergaard (if he stays).
 

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I expect they'll be interested in players they could control through 2023 or 2024, lining up a wave of young talent with Alonso, McNeil, and Frazier to go with the newly extended deGrom and Syndergaard (if he stays).
Never try to apply logic or common sense to Mets moves, the rumors today is that they want to move Syndergaard (under contract through 2021) and Diaz (under contract longer than that) and then trade for Stroman (under contract through 2020).
 

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Never try to apply logic or common sense to Mets moves, the rumors today is that they want to move Syndergaard (under contract through 2021) and Diaz (under contract longer than that) and then trade for Stroman (under contract through 2020).
You would know better than I, but I can't see giving up on Diaz unless they got a couple of proven players that can help sure up other deficiencies now and moving Diaz just creates more question marks in an already horrible bullpen. I get that you have to keep an open mind while looking to the future but moving Diaz and Thor IMO moves the Mets further from competing than closer.
 

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JBJ is under team control for one more season after this one. Do you think the Mets will be good next season?

I expect they'll be interested in players they could control through 2023 or 2024, lining up a wave of young talent with Alonso, McNeil, and Frazier to go with the newly extended deGrom and Syndergaard (if he stays).
Frazier? Perhaps Rosario or Conforto?
 

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You would know better than I, but I can't see giving up on Diaz unless they got a couple of proven players that can help sure up other deficiencies now and moving Diaz just creates more question marks in an already horrible bullpen. I get that you have to keep an open mind while looking to the future but moving Diaz and Thor IMO moves the Mets further from competing than closer.
I'm just going by the reporting, Andy Martino on Twitter always has good Mets management sources.
 

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Rumors of the Sox being "in" on Edwin Diaz are just interest building by the Mets. Of course the Red Sox are "in" on him. They're "in" on every available player because they're a high payroll team, the defending champs, and who wouldn't believe such a team would be after any player who might help them contend. No different than when they're "in" on every free agent in the winter even though 90% of them make no sense and the Sox don't actually have the least bit of interest.

Seems like a safe rule of thumb would be that any rumor that includes the Red Sox among at least two other teams, there's probably not any fire to go with that smoke. Even if the Sox truly are interested, they're sure to be outbid.
 

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Diaz is 99% likely smoke.

Regardless, we are certainly not selling now. I think they will try to get one cheap reliever by the deadline. the Giants seem to set to [foolishly] not sell, and Sergio Romo is going to the Twins. so who does that leave...
 

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Diaz is 99% likely smoke.

Regardless, we are certainly not selling now. I think they will try to get one cheap reliever by the deadline. the Giants seem to set to [foolishly] not sell, and Sergio Romo is going to the Twins. so who does that leave...
Shane Greene, Ken Giles, Felipe Vasquez, and Kirby Yates are probably the 4 premium relievers who might still be moved.
 

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I’d love Greene or Giles; and of course Thor.
Giles is a hell of a target and hasn’t allowed a homer to a right-handed hitter this year. Greene, on the other hand, has been extraordinarily lucky.

Workman’s probably a better closer than anyone we’d be able to get anyway, he just needs some support. With a pretty good number of teams on the cusp, I think DD may have to be sneakier than trading for a proven closer.

As it stands I’d be pretty happy with moving someone for Jose Leclerc, Seth Lugo, or Amir Garrett. If Arizona, Texas and SF sell, then Archie Bradley, Andrew Chafin, Chris Martin and Reyes Moronta are also good options. My stealth guy is Miguel Castro.
 

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Giles is a hell of a target and hasn’t allowed a homer to a right-handed hitter this year. Greene, on the other hand, has been extraordinarily lucky.
Yes, Greene seems like one of the least appealing targets out there -- he could be somewhat expensive because while he's compiled many Saves (as we all know, an inherently strange and controversial statistic) all of his peripheral stats show he's gotten incredibly fortunate while doing it (a .180 BABIP, a 3.43 SIERA vs a 1.22 ERA).

Perhaps even more to the point, I worry we have our own Greene already in... Workman. He's had an outstanding season supported by a wholly unsustainable .174 BABIP and a 3.6% HR rate. His 4.09 SIERA is even higher than Greene's, and nearly identical to Workman's 2018 (4.00 SIERA) when he was certainly useful, but no one was clamoring for him to close.

Giles is a much more complicated case to me. Who will we (or another team) get? The guy who has behaved like a truly elite closer? Or the guy who literally punched himself in the face in full view of fans, cameras, and mascots while with Houston, and in the Astros WS playoff run in 2017, completely fell apart -- 10 ER in 7.2 IP. I worry he recovered himself this year while throwing for a glorified AAA team in a sleepy stadium in another country. Maybe his struggles in Houston were purely mechanical -- it's not like he was worlds better with Toronto last season -- but thus far in his career he hasn't exactly shined when the lights were brightest. Is that the beginning of a redemption story, or a cautionary tale?

So where does this leave us? No matter what we do, I'm not sure I would trust Workman to take us to the promised land this October. Hopefully we can find some help that is affordable (in money and prospects) and a clear upgrade. Easier said than done.
 
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Buster Olney says there’s growing confidence the Red Sox think they can make an impactful deal. He speculates Diaz is their target due to his low salary.
Maybe his recent scuffles have lowered his asking price. He gave up another homer today.
 

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Come on. If Beni for Syndergaard is actually on the table you do it in an instant, then turn around and trade a PB&J for Melky Cabrera without missing a beat.
 

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Is the Thor stuff coming from anywhere other than a reaction to a vague Rosenthal tweet? I’m not sure the Sox match up great with them - maybe they think Chavis is a legit 3B? - but they aren’t known for making logical choices, exactly. Who knows!
 

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Giles is a hell of a target and hasn’t allowed a homer to a right-handed hitter this year. Greene, on the other hand, has been extraordinarily lucky.

Workman’s probably a better closer than anyone we’d be able to get anyway, he just needs some support. With a pretty good number of teams on the cusp, I think DD may have to be sneakier than trading for a proven closer.

As it stands I’d be pretty happy with moving someone for Jose Leclerc, Seth Lugo, or Amir Garrett. If Arizona, Texas and SF sell, then Archie Bradley, Andrew Chafin, Chris Martin and Reyes Moronta are also good options. My stealth guy is Miguel Castro.
LeClerc retired 1 of the 6 batters he faced today, walking 3. He’d fit right in to this crew.
 

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The price tag the Mets just paid for 1.5 seasons of Marcus Stroman (two decent pitching prospects, neither in the top 100) makes me feel for the first time like we might actually be able to acquire someone.
 

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LeClerc retired 1 of the 6 batters he faced today, walking 3. He’d fit right in to this crew.
Leclerc pitched three days in a row and four of the last five. He is 6th among relievers in wOBA allowed in 2018-19, a hair better than Ottavino and Pressly.
 

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The price tag the Mets just paid for 1.5 seasons of Marcus Stroman (two decent pitching prospects, neither in the top 100) makes me feel for the first time like we might actually be able to acquire someone.
I’m really confused as to why nobody could beat that offer from the Mets.
 

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The best explanation I’ve seen of that deal was that the Mets, trying to sell SP, realized how low the going rate was and decided to buy instead.
If that’s true, I’d applaud them for it. Stroman is a really solid SP and is signed for another year. Just am surprised that Houston and NYY wouldn’t beat that offer when they easily could have. Wonder if Houston is going Thor instead.
 
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