2019 TB12: Everyday Is Like Sunday

Jed Zeppelin

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Zolak said on the radio today that he still owns a penthouse in a building in Boston. Says his friends sometimes stay there when they come to town. He says that he could just stay there during the season if Giselle wants to move to Greenwich or Bergen County.
Tom potentially moving to Alpine the same time I am moving about 10 minutes away? Do his kids need a tutor?
 

Salem's Lot

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Not coming up on the Brookline assessor website, but other properties do.
Brookline’s assessor database records are spotty at best. And also municipal assessor database records are current only to the last day of the previous fiscal year, so anything you would see on that database, even if it were current (which it is not) would only reflect transactions up until 6/31/19.

Brookline’s GIS assessor parcel data hasn’t been updated with the state since 2011. That’s not the end all be all by any stretch (Cambridge is showing that they haven’t updated since 2012 and that’s absolutely false, they have one of the best assessor GIS databases of any community in the state) but it shows the potential backlog that exists and that’s a huge limitation of assessor database records.
 

Salem's Lot

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I found the property card on the assessors database. If the house was sold after 7/1/19, it wouldn’t show on the database until 1/1/20. That’s when the maps are allowed to be published.
 

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I'm just looking for the assessed value. There should be a page with all the annual assessed values going back to when it was built, since it's a new property. I can do that with other properties where I know the owner and address
 

Salem's Lot

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I'm just looking for the assessed value. There should be a page with all the annual assessed values going back to when it was built, since it's a new property. I can do that with other properties where I know the owner and address
My mistake. Yes assessors will sometimes leave historical records of high profile properties off of public facing databases. They would be required to disclose that if they got a public records request but they would have ten days to respond to it.
 

joe dokes

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you can get fun info from the Norfolk County Registry of Deeds.
For example, a $10 million 30-year mortgage from August 2014 was (presumably paid off and) discharged on July 8, 2019.
 

Salem's Lot

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you can get fun info from the Norfolk County Registry of Deeds.
For example, a $10 million 30-year mortgage from August 2014 was (presumably paid off and) discharged on July 8, 2019.
I love searching stuff on the registry. You can really see how people made a huge score on real estate, or how bad they fucked up.
 

normstalls

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I'm just looking for the assessed value. There should be a page with all the annual assessed values going back to when it was built, since it's a new property. I can do that with other properties where I know the owner and address
For whatever it is worth, Zillow has the estimated value at approximately 10 million dollars
 

InstaFace

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well it certainly explains the durability.

edit: Duff-man never dies, only the actors who play him.
 

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I don't understand how Brady's house even got onto Zillow. Is Joe Blow from Newton going to search for houses like that? I thought real estate at that level is treated differently than the corner house on Main Street going for $400,000.
Aren’t all houses on Zillow? A few years back I remember gawking at Michael Jordan’s house on the site. Doesn’t mean you can actually go to an open house or anything like that
 

SeoulSoxFan

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Aren’t all houses on Zillow? A few years back I remember gawking at Michael Jordan’s house on the site. Doesn’t mean you can actually go to an open house or anything like that
Every house is pretty much on Zillow and throws up estimated prices. Those can be quite off, however.
 

OurF'ingCity

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Why do people seem bent on torturing themselves with the understandable ebb and flow toward the end of a very lengthy career?

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27371730/brady-read-anything-selling-house
Are you not familiar with this board?

In seriousness, though, I agree. The one thing we do know for sure is that Brady is going to be on the team next year. We'll know by March whether that will be true for the 2020-21 season as well but for now there's no real point in trying to read tea leaves like how long Brady paused after a question about selling his house.
 

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Dak Prescott looking for $40 million a year


I include this here because it just shows you how valuable to the Patriots Tom Brady has been. Not only for his obvious on-field performance, but for earning less than what he otherwise could, thus freeing up money for the rest of the team. I know it's been said before but it really is a huge part of his legacy.

(Dak's demands were also posted in the Cowboys thread, but I felt it was also relevant here)
 

joe dokes

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Are you not familiar with this board?

In seriousness, though, I agree. The one thing we do know for sure is that Brady is going to be on the team next year. We'll know by March whether that will be true for the 2020-21 season as well but for now there's no real point in trying to read tea leaves like how long Brady paused after a question about selling his house.
I tend to take Brady at his word about "uncharted territory." And it really is, in terms of age and quality. Yet Father Time is still undefeated.
He does not want to play and suck. And while he wont play for free, and there's no way to avoid some kind of dead money when he goes, I think that he will know before anyone else when its time. I doubt he quite shares BB's enthusiasm for getting rid of guys "one year too soon, rather than one year too late," when he's the guy, but in 20 years, he's seen plenty of players who still had it, and then suddenly didn't. The voiding deal let's him assess that annually.
 

BigJimEd

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He could assess it annually no matter what. He didn't need to have the years voided to do that.

Certainly doesn't need to have a clause prohibiting the tag.
 

DennyDoyle'sBoil

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He could assess it annually no matter what. He didn't need to have the years voided to do that.

Certainly doesn't need to have a clause prohibiting the tag.
Yeah. I really feel like nobody reporting on this "deal" really understands it very well.

In March 2016, when he was already signed through the 2017 season, Brady signed a two year extension for the 2018 and 2019 years. When you strip away all of the signing bonus machinations and stuff to do salary cap relief, his new money was $41 million.

This is widely reported as a favorable home town discount that is evidence that Brady is team first and that the Patriots are incredibly lucky that he will play for under market. Except, at the time, Cam Newton was earning $19.5 million for the 2016 season as the league leader. The Patriots were committing $41 million to a player who was already under contract until age 40 for his age 40 and 41 years.

Now, in hindsight, the contract turned out to be a bargain. Brady not only played well as a 40 year old, he led the team to two super bowls. And, of course, contracts went crazy. Viewing the contract through the lens of March 2016, none of that was particularly clear.

So, what the Patriots did is something very un-Patriot like. They threw extra money at Brady. For nothing. First, they tried to give him incentives last year like with Gronk for a couple of years but he didn't reach them. So, now, they have simply given him an extra $8 million plus, in addition to no-franchise, for a year he was already under contract. Effectively, they turned his $41 million extension for 2018 and 2019 into $49 million for those two years, and got absolutely nothing in return. Except potentially a happier player who perhaps had regrets given his performance that $20.5 million turned out to be so below market for his performance.

The voidable stuff is simply a reflection of the fact that they couldn't just given him $8 million today, because they didn't have the cap space. And they can't give it to him next year, because he may not be on the team or even in the NFL next year. So, they gave it to him this year and will pay for it next year.

There is simply nothing you can read into anything involving this contract other than the Patriots wrote an $8 million check for nothing, and gave no franchise, to a great player and figured out a way to do it without going over the cap. Everything else is just noise. That's what happened and it's all that happened. Nothing else, including for 2020, is different from what it was. (Except no franchise.)
 

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There is simply nothing you can read into anything involving this contract other than the Patriots wrote an $8 million check for nothing, and gave no franchise, to a great player and figured out a way to do it without going over the cap. Everything else is just noise. That's what happened and it's all that happened. Nothing else, including for 2020, is different from what it was. (Except no franchise.)
But didn't they save around $5m in cap space via these machinations? So it's not really accurate to say the Patriots got "nothing" out of it.
 

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But didn't they save around $5m in cap space via these machinations? So it's not really accurate to say the Patriots got "nothing" out of it.
They only shifted it from this year to next year. If they end up carrying over less than $5.5 million this year then I guess yes, they got something out of it.

So, perhaps. But it's pretty negligible. They pretty clearly didn't do it for the cap space. Or, I guess, if they did, it is the most irrational thing the Patriots have ever done in the Belichick era. Unless a team was about to violate the cap, it's hard to imagine any team that would willingly do a deal where they free up $5.5 million in 2019 in exchange for a $14 million cap charge in 2020.
 

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The cap space this season could come in handy. It's still early, and there may be some trades they make for a TE or LT.

Also, I believe they can extend Brady's existing contract prior to the end of the league year and reduce the $14M dead money charge for 2020; the reporting on this contract has not been complete, and it seems to dig into the arcana of the CBA. All this assumes, of course, that Brady is playing next year, and is playing for the Pats.
 

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The cap space this season could come in handy. It's still early, and there may be some trades they make for a TE or LT.

Also, I believe they can extend Brady's existing contract prior to the end of the league year and reduce the $14M dead money charge for 2020; the reporting on this contract has not been complete, and it seems to dig into the arcana of the CBA. All this assumes, of course, that Brady is playing next year, and is playing for the Pats.
I ain't saying that $5.5 million is exactly the right amount for half a year of Gronk, but I ain't not sayin it either, if you catch my drift. :0)

You make a good point. If Brady plays in 2020 or 2021 they will be able to probably kick some of this down the lane a bit further. If Brady plays in 2020 it will be because he had a good 2019 so here's hoping for sure.

I hope my post didn't come across as critical of Brady or the organization at all. I think some of the stuff they've done to reward players even where they didn't have to has been good. Obviously, they think it's in the best interest of the team or there's no way Belichick would be doing it. Ten or even five years ago I don't think you'd see stuff like this but some of the recent disgruntled player stories have demonstrated how much that kind of stuff can affect a team, and while the Patriots may have built a program that can weather that stuff better than some or most, no team is completely safe from it.
 

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Not coming up on the Brookline assessor website, but other properties do.
In my town, one can request their house not be on the public GIS/assessor website. Whether you're Joe Shmoe or someone like Tom Brady. I would think Brookline has a similar policy.

As others mentioned, masslandrecords.com is a great site for info.
 

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Yeah, it's interesting that they basically gave Brady an 8MM check without tacking on another real year. You're right. They're just deferring paying for it on the cap, but wouldn't it have been easy to work out a 1 year real extension that accomplished the same thing (freeing up a little cap for this season, but giving Brady a raise while committing to another year)? I get deferring the decision on a player who is likely near the end is wise, but if they're giving him new money, why not add that extra year? Should we read anything into that?
 

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Believe that was "why don't you pay attention to your own sh*t", and as profane counterpoint, seemed fairly accurate.
 

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And Gronk didn’t. Because of....Kellen Winslow?
Comparison:

Winslow: 109 games, 541 for 6741, 45 TDs, 12.5 ypc, 3x 1st Team All-Pro, played in 6 career postseason games
Gronk: 115 games, 521 for 7861, 79 TDs, 15.1 ypc, 4x 1st Team All-Pro, played in 16 career postseason games (another full season at 81 catches, 1163 yards, 12 TDs)
 

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Comparison:

Winslow: 109 games, 541 for 6741, 45 TDs, 12.5 ypc, 3x 1st Team All-Pro, played in 6 career postseason games
Gronk: 115 games, 521 for 7861, 79 TDs, 15.1 ypc, 4x 1st Team All-Pro, played in 16 career postseason games (another full season at 81 catches, 1163 yards, 12 TDs)
System TE.
 

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Comparison:

Winslow: 109 games, 541 for 6741, 45 TDs, 12.5 ypc, 3x 1st Team All-Pro, played in 6 career postseason games
Gronk: 115 games, 521 for 7861, 79 TDs, 15.1 ypc, 4x 1st Team All-Pro, played in 16 career postseason games (another full season at 81 catches, 1163 yards, 12 TDs)
Man, if I were Gronk, I'd be so upset about this I would unretire for, say, 6 regular season and 3 postseason games to put further distance between myself and Winslow. :rolleyes:
 

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I've said this before and it will almost certainly always be true for the rest of NFL history: One thing that is completely indisputable, and objectively true (not subjective to whatever pet argument anyone wants to make), is that Tom Brady is the greatest *winner* in the history of the NFL. Period. Nobody else is even in the conversation. Not Montana. Not Unitas. Not Baugh. Not Bradshaw. Not Elway. Not Peyton. Not Rodgers. Nobody. The only one you could even mention would be Otto Graham, and that's based on a handful of years of work. He doesn't have anything close to the volume that Brady does. Nobody else is even in the discussion at all.