2019 Stanley Cup Final - No Singing the Blues - Boston is Going Back to Backes

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According to Hockey Ref, going into last night’s game Chara was the playoff leader in plus/minus at +11.

Heinen second at +10.
 

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Except for the Kuraly goal, the Blues defenders do a good job in front of the net. The Bruins didn’t get a lot of good looks off rebounds. Seems you get one shot at Binnington. He either gloves it or they clear it out.
 

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I don’t read him either, but he’s got the writing chops to be professional, so that counts for something.
 

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Well, that sucked.

Also, Blues are pretty obviously the better team so far, with the exception of goaltending. Two games in Boston, 6+ periods, and Bruins have carried the play in only 2 of them, so about 30% of the time. The way they played today, they deserved to lose a not-that-close regulation game. Rask was the difference.

Now they go to St. Louis after getting split on their home ice.

If the Bruins have another gear, they need to show it ASAP or start getting their golf clubs out of storage.
 

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Well, that sucked.

Also, Blues are pretty obviously the better team so far, with the exception of goaltending. Two games in Boston, 6+ periods, and Bruins have carried the play in only 2 of them, so about 30% of the time. The way they played today, they deserved to lose a not-that-close regulation game. Rask was the difference.

Now they go to St. Louis after getting split on their home ice.

If the Bruins have another gear, they need to show it ASAP or start getting their golf clubs out of storage.
Sorry, what? The Bruins were significantly better in game 1.
 

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The Bruins are a much better team. All Blues goals in regulation have been off Bruins stupidity. They had some of the same issues vs Columbus. They’ll get it together.
 

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concerned Gryz has a severe enough concession for his season to be over, and the lockdown defense will have a hole in it the rest of the series. is this a valid concern or can Moore/Kampfer plug the hole?
 

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2 point blank chances in the slot for Pasternak and Bergeron and they came up empty. As long as they're still getting chances like that, the B's should be fine. I'm concerned about the physical pounding and attrition. It looks like the Blues were reminded how they got here and brought the heavy lumber tonight. We'll see if they can keep up the intensity now that they'll feel less desperate (for 1 game at least).
 

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Sorry, what? The Bruins were significantly better in game 1.
As I said in my post, the Bruins carried the play in periods 2 and 3 of game 1. I agree they deserved to win, but it wasn't a wire to wire effort, they were dismal in the first and dominant afterward. Yesterday they were dismal from the opening draw to the Blues' OT gamewinner.

Rask wasn't dismal - he was elite, turning what could easily have been a 5-2 regulation loss into a game they had a chance to win late. But even in the OT the Bruin skaters were just awful.

To win this series, they need to be a lot better than that.
 

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concerned Gryz has a severe enough concession for his season to be over, and the lockdown defense will have a hole in it the rest of the series. is this a valid concern or can Moore/Kampfer plug the hole?
NHL penalty rules are fucking stupid. Grzelcyk gets his head drilled into the boards, perhaps ending his season, and that is a 2 minute minor. An accidental high stick draws a cople of drops of blood and it is a double minor? Idiotic. Is there a player in the league who would prefer to experience what happened to Gryz over getting a little cut?

Edit: The Blues, BTW, seem to have pretty clearly decided that they are going to play outside the rules because the refs cannot/will not call everything.
 
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Someday, a player on the team I’m rooting for will undoubtedly lay a concussion-inducing shot on an opponent like the one Grzlcek received: an intentional shot to the head when there was no need to target.

I really really hope that in that moment I’m able to acknowledge the play was inappropriate and not celebrate it. Gronk’s cheap shot after the play to the head of Tre’Davious White comes to mind. Not cool, even if retaliation for a previous shot of its own.
 

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Bruins played like they thought just being the superior team would be enough. Marchand in particular never had his head in the game. I don't think they will make that mistake again. The Blues will continue to run around and play undisciplined in search of the big hit. The Bruins made the same mistakes of overpassing against Toronto and adjusted. They'll adjust again and take advantage of the opportunities the Blues will certainly give them. Plus, there is no way their power play stinks up the joint like last night. Bruins in 5, clinching at home.
 

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Bruins played like they thought just being the superior team would be enough. Marchand in particular never had his head in the game. I don't think they will make that mistake again. The Blues will continue to run around and play undisciplined in search of the big hit. The Bruins made the same mistakes of overpassing against Toronto and adjusted. They'll adjust again and take advantage of the opportunities the Blues will certainly give them. Plus, there is no way their power play stinks up the joint like last night. Bruins in 5, clinching at home.
From your fingertips...
 

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NHL penalty rules are fucking stupid. Grzelcyk gets his head drilled into the boards, perhaps ending his season, and that is a 2 minute minor. An accidental high stick draws a cople of drops of blood and it is a double minor? Idiotic. Is there a player in the league who would prefer to experience what happened to Gryz over getting a little cut?

Edit: The Blues, BTW, seem to have pretty clearly decided that they are going to play outside the rules because the refs cannot/will not call everything.
The difference is that there is no referee discretion on the high stick when it causes injury. If it was left to the discretion of the refs you would see some nicks getting 4 one game while a practically severed head only gets 2 the next game. There is no consistency. The refs had the ability to call a major or even a match penalty for the hit and inexplicably left it at a minor. I don't see the NHL ever getting serious about head trauma. If it is obvious enough for the neutral observer to send the player to the quiet room, it should enough for the ref to assess at least a major for an injury resulting penalty.
41.1 Boarding: A player incurs a boarding penalty for body-checking a "defenseless" opponent into the boards with a degree of violence up to the discretion of the referee. "Defenseless" is emphasized because hitting a guy into the boards who braces himself for the hit is in most cases not a penalty. It is also important to note that "defenseless" does not necessarily mean a player whose body faces the boards, but any instance where he is not prepared for contact.

Referees have full discretion as to whether the hit deserves a penalty, and if so, what kind of penalty. Players must be responsible for their decisions to use body contact in the game, so players initiating hits must ensure their opponents are not "defenseless." That said, there are times when a player puts himself in a vulnerable position, and the player throwing the check can do nothing about it. Those instances can sway a referee's judgment away from calling a penalty.

On an obvious offside or icing play, any "unnecessary" impact between players that causes one of them to hit the boards is boarding. If there is no board contact, it's treated as charging.

41.2 Minor Penalty: The referee can say a boarding penalty was only violent enough to warrant a minor penalty.

41.3 Major Penalty: The referee can say a boarding penalty was severe enough to warrant a major penalty.

41.4 Match Penalty: The referee can say a player was intentionally trying to hurt someone and assess a match penalty.

41.5 Game Misconduct Penalty: If the referee invokes 41.3 and assesses a major for boarding, he must also assess an automatic game misconduct if the major penalty for boarding resulted in an injury to the face or head.

41.6 Fines and Suspensions: Two game misconducts incurred under 41.5 and/or 43.5 (Checking from Behind - Game Misconduct) in either the regular season or playoffs leads to an automatic one-game suspension. Every new game misconduct thereafter is another automatic suspension, increasing the number of games by one.

If 41.3 is invoked, the offending player is fined $100.

Like most of the next few rules we'll be talking about, the Commissioner has discretion to unleash Rule 28 Supplementary Discipline if so desired because of a violation of this rule.
 

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Bruins played like they thought just being the superior team would be enough. Marchand in particular never had his head in the game. I don't think they will make that mistake again. The Blues will continue to run around and play undisciplined in search of the big hit. The Bruins made the same mistakes of overpassing against Toronto and adjusted. They'll adjust again and take advantage of the opportunities the Blues will certainly give them. Plus, there is no way their power play stinks up the joint like last night. Bruins in 5, clinching at home.
This is an optimistic, and I hope correct, take.
 

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Three things need to happen in Game 3:
  • Bergeron line needs to get rolling - and they usually do once they've been doubted.
  • Defensemen need to clean up clearing attempts and breakouts.
That's really the story.
 

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I wonder if the ice condition will be a factor for the next couple of games. St. Louis has had higher temps but lower humidity than Boston recently and in the forecast going into the weekend. I have to think that nicer ice will benefit the more skilled and faster Bruins.
 

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If "someone" was to buy ad space on the digital billboards on the way to, and around the St Louis Enterprise Center, sayyyy...from lunch until puck drop on...sayyyy Saturday (cough cough)....

What should said billboards read?

GO.

EDIT: Yes I'm serious. Space is scheduled. Just need to lay out the ads by Tomorrow afternoon.
 
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I wonder if the ice condition will be a factor for the next couple of games. St. Louis has had higher temps but lower humidity than Boston recently and in the forecast going into the weekend. I have to think that nicer ice will benefit the more skilled and faster Bruins.
The ice in St. Louis hasn't been great this season. They installed a new ice plant last Summer (part of a 3-year renovation), but I feel like I've heard more comments about bouncing pucks on the ice here this year than in past years.
 
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I guess he gets a game? I didn't see much there beyond the 2 min on ice. Not going to make a big difference regardless IMO, Sundqvist and the 4th line hadn't been playing great these first two games
 

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I guess he gets a game? I didn't see much there beyond the 2 min on ice. Not going to make a big difference regardless IMO, Sundqvist and the 4th line hadn't been playing great these first two games
Honestly, I don't really care if he gets suspended or not. It was an awkward play and a dangerous hit, but I wouldn't be upset if he didn't get suspended.
 

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Well, that sucked.

Also, Blues are pretty obviously the better team so far, with the exception of goaltending. Two games in Boston, 6+ periods, and Bruins have carried the play in only 2 of them, so about 30% of the time. The way they played today, they deserved to lose a not-that-close regulation game. Rask was the difference.

Now they go to St. Louis after getting split on their home ice.

If the Bruins have another gear, they need to show it ASAP or start getting their golf clubs out of storage.
Y'all need to calm down. It's like my brother texting me after Game 3 of the Columbus series that the season was over, and I shouldn't watch any more. It's nonsense.

The Bruins went into a shell after Gryz got hurt, and never fully recovered. St. Louis kept pounding them, and their defense and forwards got on a swivel, and they played on their heels all game. I felt they went into that game expecting to win, and St. Louis beat it out of them. Welcome to the finals.

Even then, St. Louis dominated possession, had more shots, but still only outchanced the Bruins by a slimmer margin than expected. They scored off a weird super lucky deflection off Gryz's stick, a complete brain fart by Marchand, and a screen shot from the point. I felt Columbus had way more scoring chances during their win.

The only difference was the Bruins offense couldn't get going. That will not continue.

As Napkin likes to say, I'm still zen about it all.
 

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If "someone" was to buy ad space on the digital billboards on the way to, and around the St Louis Enterprise Center, sayyyy...from lunch until puck drop on...sayyyy Saturday (cough cough)....

What should said billboards read?

GO.

EDIT: Yes I'm serious. Space is scheduled. Just need to lay out the ads by Tomorrow afternoon.
This needs more attention than it has gotten so far. I am not creative enough, but....

"Giving you the Blues, one Marchand goal at a time"

"1-13"

Thoughts? We need someone much more clever than I.
 

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This needs more attention than it has gotten so far. I am not creative enough, but....

"Giving you the Blues, one Marchand goal at a time"

"1-13"

Thoughts? We need someone much more clever than I.
Need something that says we've owned your ass for 50 years.

1970 Stanley Cup Finals
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2004 World Series
2013 World Series
 

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St Louis is not Columbus. Falling behind 2-1 in not the end of the world, but they can’t afford to lose both games in St Louis and expect to come back.
 

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If "someone" was to buy ad space on the digital billboards on the way to, and around the St Louis Enterprise Center, sayyyy...from lunch until puck drop on...sayyyy Saturday (cough cough)....

What should said billboards read?

GO.

EDIT: Yes I'm serious. Space is scheduled. Just need to lay out the ads by Tomorrow afternoon.
Can you put a picture up?

 

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Honestly, I don't really care if he gets suspended or not. It was an awkward play and a dangerous hit, but I wouldn't be upset if he didn't get suspended.
This is about where I fall. I thought it was dangerous and reckless and similar to the McAvoy situation in Rounds 2/3. Unintentional, probably should have been a major, but should likely get a game as a result (especially since the injury is more severe). I think he deserves a game but won't be furious if he doesn't get one.

I feel bad for Grz though. Living a lifelong dream and now it might be over. Brutal.
 

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This is about where I fall. I thought it was dangerous and reckless and similar to the McAvoy situation in Rounds 2/3. Unintentional, probably should have been a major, but should likely get a game as a result (especially since the injury is more severe). I think he deserves a game but won't be furious if he doesn't get one.

I feel bad for Grz though. Living a lifelong dream and now it might be over. Brutal.
One thing that is underrated about this team is how much they care for each other, and Gryz is a very well liked guy. It seemed the team was visibly shaken by him being knocked out. They won't be on Saturday.
 

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Days since first Stanley Cup win:

Boston: 32,935 days
St. Louis: 1
Need something that says we've owned your ass for 50 years.

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A combo of these would be my vote. The Championship years if a combo doesn't make sense. However, you should consider including Superbowl LIII on that list - salt in the wound, although they may thank Boston for that one. Whatever's worse.
 

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One thing that is underrated about this team is how much they care for each other, and Gryz is a very well liked guy. It seemed the team was visibly shaken by him being knocked out. They won't be on Saturday.
The biggest issue I saw was the constant rotation of d-men, which I think wore them down. You especially saw this on the two Clifton penalties. They were rotating d-men out every 20-30 seconds since there were only 3 available for the PK, given they aren't going to put Krug out there. That said, they had to put Krug out there on the double minor once they got trapped in their zone for about a minute before going on the 4 on 4, which goes to show the desperation they were in to give guys a rest.
 

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The first line has been a net negative thus far. If they keep that up, they're done.

They don't have to dominate to win this, but it would be much easier if they did.
 

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Grzelcyk in the protocol and not making the trip.


I don’t get the comparisons to McAvoy. To me this was clearly worse (and McAvoy’s was bad and worthy of the suspension he got).
 

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Take this for what's it's worth since I can't first hand confirm but from the neurosurgeon who treated gryz "Not good. Not good at all."