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You may as well fuck with Detective Martin in Bonfire, or Will McDonough. Good luck son.
 

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If Mike Tomlin had done his job properly, Antonio Brown would be someone who doesn't throw furniture over a balcony and nearly hit a toddler. It's Tomlin's fault that he is an unrepentant asshole.
 

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I can't give Tomlin much credit since AB was a big headache there. This the fact that they got little back for him and took about $20M cap hit. Not going to blame him either though.

I want to hear more details on what happened though. Reportedly it was at practice in front if everyone. Did Mayock initiate it? Reports are that he was not happy with AB's IG post. But he could have easily discussed it in his office. Overall the post is not a big deal.
Of course if Brown instigated it then that's a whole other story.
 

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I can't give Tomlin much credit since AB was a big headache there. This the fact that they got little back for him and took about $20M cap hit. Not going to blame him either though.

I want to hear more details on what happened though. Reportedly it was at practice in front if everyone. Did Mayock initiate it? Reports are that he was not happy with AB's IG post. But he could have easily discussed it in his office. Overall the post is not a big deal.
Of course if Brown instigated it then that's a whole other story.
The post is a huge deal. That’s airing out private team business.
 

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That's kind of my take too (re: Tomlin). He's always been a known diva but - if memory serves - he didn't explode to a full-blown TO level pain in the ass until about a year ago. Now he's a flat-out cancer. It seemed to have happened overnight so there almost had to be some sort of catalyst.
The guy has probably never been given a firm “no” in his life. He got one over on Pittsburgh. He got one over on Oakland wrt the summer, as discussed above.

Oakland fined his ass, and he was probably trying to show Mayock who is boss. He just got his nose broken.
 

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I tend to agree with Breer--Tomlin helped keep the wheels on despite having (at least) two massive a-holes on his hands in Ben and AB. If AB feels like he can do anything now it's because Tomlin finally gave up and let AB force his way out of town.

In other news, I can't believe I'm defending Breer and Tomlin...
He went on FB live and broadcast from the locker room after a playoff win and got rewarded with a huge contract.
 

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I can't give Tomlin much credit since AB was a big headache there. This the fact that they got little back for him and took about $20M cap hit. Not going to blame him either though.

I want to hear more details on what happened though. Reportedly it was at practice in front if everyone. Did Mayock initiate it? Reports are that he was not happy with AB's IG post. But he could have easily discussed it in his office. Overall the post is not a big deal.
Of course if Brown instigated it then that's a whole other story.
View: https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1169662591116951552?s=20
 

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The post is a huge deal. That’s airing out private team business.
Eh. Not something you want but minor deal to me. So everyone knows you fined him? Not really a major deal to me.
Either way, you talk to him in private. No need to get in an ego and power struggle in front of the team.


AB threatening to physically assault Mayock certainly seems like a suspendable offense to me though.
 

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Report is now that AB threaten to punch Mayock in the face.

EDIT: Already covered.
 

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Somehow Breer doesn't understand that.
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"@AlbertBreer Again, if you want to know what Mike Tomlin's done exceptionally well as Steelers coach, take a look at what's happened with some of his highest profile stars once they've left."
Stars plural.

Is there another example of a star player who left the Steelers and went on to be a problem? Can't be in reference to Bell as he hasn't been an issue with the Jets.
 

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Santonio Holmes and Plaxico Burress come to mind. Wallace wasn't a problem but he was never worth his contracts once he left. Emmanuel Sanders has been a steady pro.
 

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Huge respect for Mayock. I’m one of 2-3 Raider guys here and I’m already done with Brown. Move on.
I feel for you, Gunfighter, and other Raiders fans here.

Not sure about others but I did not think it would blow up this spectacularly.
 

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I feel for you, Gunfighter, and other Raiders fans here.

Not sure about others but I did not think it would blow up this spectacularly.
This has definitely been something completely unpredictable. The feet, the helmet, the helmet again, again with the helmet, and now the fight with Mayock. It's a lot of insane things happening in a very short period of time. You hate to see it.
 

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Santonio Holmes and Plaxico Burress come to mind. Wallace wasn't a problem but he was never worth his contracts once he left. Emmanuel Sanders has been a steady pro.
Plaxico Burress never played under Tomlin as a head coach. Tomlin started as H.C. in 2007. Holmes had legal problems while a player in Pittsburgh (under Tomlin).
 

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I have no idea if he wants to, but does Gruden have the juice with Davis to get Mayock canned?
 

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The question as stated was players leaving Pittsburgh in general, not constrained to Tomlin era. Burress was suspended by both the Steelers and the Giants at different times, played training camp holdout games on the Giants, and then shot himself.

Holmes' pot episode triggered his trade, he had legal problems and had cancer type issue with his teammates on the Jets, just googled Santonio Holmes behavior with Jets and got a variety.
 

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This is the risk with AB that Mayock signed up for, so I don't think he deserves or needs any sympathy. But I do appreciate the way he has handled it. I hope he can void the contract.
 

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The question as stated was players leaving Pittsburgh in general, not constrained to Tomlin era. Burress was suspended by both the Steelers and the Giants at different times, played training camp holdout games on the Giants, and then shot himself.

Holmes' pot episode triggered his trade, he had legal problems and had cancer type issue with his teammates on the Jets, just googled Santonio Holmes behavior with Jets and got a variety.
The question was in response to a specific quote and discussion about Tomlin.

Again, if you want to know what Mike Tomlin's done exceptionally well as Steelers coach, take a look at what's happened with some of his highest profile stars once they've left.
 

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I have no idea if he wants to, but does Gruden have the juice with Davis to get Mayock canned?
Probably.

I'd put it a bit differently. If Gruden fails to back Mayock to Mayock's satisfaction, Mayock walks. It's not like he does not have options.
 

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I get the sense that AB doesn't really want to play football anymore, and probably hasn't since last season. He was on The Masked Singer, and seems to view himself as a brand. Everything he's done this training camp, with HBO cameras documenting all of it, strikes me as part publicity campaign, part dodge.
 

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I get the sense that AB doesn't really want to play football anymore, and probably hasn't since last season. He was on The Masked Singer, and seems to view himself as a brand. Everything he's done this training camp, with HBO cameras documenting all of it, strikes me as part publicity campaign, part dodge.
2 to 1 he's on Big Brother next summer.
 

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I get the sense that AB doesn't really want to play football anymore, and probably hasn't since last season. He was on The Masked Singer, and seems to view himself as a brand. Everything he's done this training camp, with HBO cameras documenting all of it, strikes me as part publicity campaign, part dodge.
I mean... being on the Masked Singer doesn't mean he is done playing football. Given his ridiculous training regiment, should we perhaps give that a little more credibility than being on a show in the offseason? Did Gronk not want to play football because he appeared on WWE years ago? What about Brady or Edleman in HBO shows? Or countless other athletes....
 

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I mean... being on the Masked Singer doesn't mean he is done playing football. Given his ridiculous training regiment, should we perhaps give that a little more credibility than being on a show in the offseason? Did Gronk not want to play football because he appeared on WWE years ago? What about Brady or Edleman in HBO shows? Or countless other athletes....
It's not *just* his appearance on that show. Yes, he's a workout warrior. Gronk still is too, despite not playing football right now. I don't think it's crazy to question his desire to play the game, since he seems to be doing anything possible to avoid it for the past year.
 

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I think the biggest piece of evidence that AB doesn't want to play football is that AB isn't playing football.

I expect that could change very soon when he starts losing game checks. When he quit on the Steelers you could maybe attribute that somewhat to a history of bad blood and a contract dispute. But now? With the Raiders? What have the Raiders done to AB to provoke any of this bullshit? He is just getting started with them and is getting paid. And still, from the very beginning, shenanigans.

He hasn't given much of an impression that he really wants to play. He's with a new team and people he hasn't worked with before. He can't be ready to play if he doesn't practice. He doesn't practice. He's still bullshitting around with the drama. Game one is almost here. I think his desire to be on the field is at best, questionable.
 

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AB needs to put his best foot forward ... whichever one that is
 

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I don't think he wants to play but doesn't want to be seen as a "quitter" - so you have all this crap because he really doesn't want to be doing it (and he has lots of money in the bank). He might feel different once that 30 million is on the line....
 

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This is the risk with AB that Mayock signed up for, so I don't think he deserves or needs any sympathy. But I do appreciate the way he has handled it. I hope he can void the guarantees in the contract.

I agree with this, and added in bold what is important to me. I think AB can still be a pretty productive player if he is playing on a non-guaranteed deal. Suspension followed by voiding the guarantees is the only real way forward for the Raiders that doesn't involve cutting Brown.
 

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Sounds like suspending Brown for at least the start of the season will happen, which in turn everyone is assuming would allow the Raiders to walk away from his contract at any time (since apparently NFL contracts all say you can rescind the contract in the event of a suspension for contract detrimental to the team). It also sounds like Rosenhaus is desperately trying to work things out with the Raiders.
 

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Sounds like suspending Brown for at least the start of the season will happen, which in turn everyone is assuming would allow the Raiders to walk away from his contract at any time (since apparently NFL contracts all say you can rescind the contract in the event of a suspension for contract detrimental to the team). It also sounds like Rosenhaus is desperately trying to work things out with the Raiders.
Do players owe agent commissions on voided contracts? Otto is an agent, right?
 

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Interesting question, but the answer is almost certainly “no”. I was an agent in another space. I (and agencies I worked for) got paid when the checks came in, regardless of having a percentage of the sum of all of the checks.
 

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If I were Rosenhaus, I'd ask AB to start counting, one number every second. You have time left over after "1". Less after "nine hundred seventy three." To stay within a second, you'll have to talk really fast to do 11,477. Or 873,111. Or 7,845,372.

But if AB managed to count that way, without sleeping, for nearly a year - 347 days, so if he started at midnight on New Year's Eve, he'd be finished in mid-December - he'd get to 30,000,000.

Rosenhaus should maybe ask him to stop when he gets tired of the counting, and figure out how to go back to being a football player so he can collect the 30 million instead of letting it slide away forever...
 

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If I were Rosenhaus, I'd ask AB to start counting, one number every second. You have time left over after "1". Less after "nine hundred seventy three." To stay within a second, you'll have to talk really fast to do 11,477. Or 873,111. Or 7,845,372.

But if AB managed to count that way, without sleeping, for nearly a year - 347 days, so if he started at midnight on New Year's Eve, he'd be finished in mid-December - he'd get to 30,000,000.

Rosenhaus should maybe ask him to stop when he gets tired of the counting, and figure out how to go back to being a football player so he can collect the 30 million instead of letting it slide away forever...
I just crunched the numbers on this, math 60x60x24x347. He is correct. AB is a dumbass. Play out your contract you moron.
 
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If I were Rosenhaus, I'd ask AB to start counting, one number every second. You have time left over after "1". Less after "nine hundred seventy three." To stay within a second, you'll have to talk really fast to do 11,477. Or 873,111. Or 7,845,372.

But if AB managed to count that way, without sleeping, for nearly a year - 347 days, so if he started at midnight on New Year's Eve, he'd be finished in mid-December - he'd get to 30,000,000.

Rosenhaus should maybe ask him to stop when he gets tired of the counting, and figure out how to go back to being a football player so he can collect the 30 million instead of letting it slide away forever...
To give an idea of how much 1 Billion Dollars is, I heard it would take roughly 2.5 lifetimes (like 185 years) to count to it, starting at 1, and doing it 24 hours a day. Most numbers after a million will take a longer than a second.