2019 Pats: In-Season Roster & Injury Discussion
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Regarding the OL, a couple of updates. Wynn's returning to practice seems likely, while Cajuste is likely out for the season:
https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/patriots/2019/10/28/isaiah-wynn-step-closer-returning-action/ML7yCKha1J4yvjsWhV3QOI/story.html
https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/patriots/2019/10/28/isaiah-wynn-step-closer-returning-action/ML7yCKha1J4yvjsWhV3QOI/story.html
Because there is no service I won't provide for SOSH, here are Folk's kicking numbers for the Arizona Hotshots under the guidance of Rick Neuheisel. (I figure kicking may actually be something that you can take some information from the AAF about.) Hotshots played at Arizona State, not Cardinals Stadium, so outdoor/grass. Road games were Orlando, Salt Lake, Memphis, San Diego, and San Antonio -- so all outside except Alamodome.
No extra points in AAF and I can't only find exact distances on misses.
12-16 overall, 6-6 under 39, 2-5 40-49, 4-5 50+
So, misses were 3x 40-49 and 1x 50+
Makes were: 19, 23, 25, 32, 35, 39, 45, 48, 53, 53, 54, 55
So, he's got a leg. Last full year in the NFL he was high average on kick offs, averaging 63 yards and with 55 percent touchbacks. This was after the rule change, I think. (Gostkowski, by comparison, also had 55 percent touchbacks, but more average distance.)
Edit: And here's the 55 yarder -- the longest field goal in the history of the American Alliance of Associational American Football America, which is a record that likely never will be broken. Looks like it would have been good from 55.25 yards.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/alliance-of-american-football/0ap3000001022975/Arizona-Hotshots-Nick-Folk-nails-55-yard-FG
No extra points in AAF and I can't only find exact distances on misses.
12-16 overall, 6-6 under 39, 2-5 40-49, 4-5 50+
So, misses were 3x 40-49 and 1x 50+
Makes were: 19, 23, 25, 32, 35, 39, 45, 48, 53, 53, 54, 55
So, he's got a leg. Last full year in the NFL he was high average on kick offs, averaging 63 yards and with 55 percent touchbacks. This was after the rule change, I think. (Gostkowski, by comparison, also had 55 percent touchbacks, but more average distance.)
Edit: And here's the 55 yarder -- the longest field goal in the history of the American Alliance of Associational American Football America, which is a record that likely never will be broken. Looks like it would have been good from 55.25 yards.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/alliance-of-american-football/0ap3000001022975/Arizona-Hotshots-Nick-Folk-nails-55-yard-FG
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Folk was really good in 2016 for the Jets. 27-31 with a long of 51. Let's hope he can find that magic.
It’s not like there’s a Justin Tucker sitting out there. I don’t think any of the guys they bring in will inspire much confidence.
Hey now, don't let your mouth write checks the rest of you will regret cashing.
I'd prefer Bryant but it's probably all a bunch of flotsam. we have two months to figure out someone.
Good point. No service related to superficial Arizona Hotshot stat research, I should have said.
Today was the first day that he could be waived for the Patriots to try to get their cap money back. So, no, I don't think anyone was expecting it to happen this quickly.
There could be a lot of reasons it hasn't happened yet. The most likely is that he's not healthy yet. Another is that they are working on an injury settlement with him.
Alternatively, he may very well have been waived today, but the reporters won't get the news until they see the transaction wire report.
Per Jim McBride of the Globe, Isaiah Wynn has returned to practice. Therefore, everyone else on IR is done for the season. Wynn is now eligible to return against Dallas.
It feels like right now is a good time to start learning how to kick. It’s amazing how few NFL caliber kickers there are out there.
It's funny to go back now and see Dante's and Belichick's from Monday and Tuesday. Like they haven't known exactly what would happen.
Reiss just clarified on twitter that the IR return designation rule was recently changed (presumably to deal with the fact that teams don't have the same byes) so that it now requires a player to sit out 8 games, not weeks as is customarily reported. So, I guess Wynn is not eligible to return until the week after the Eagles game.
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Josh Gordon being released off IR today, per source.
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Josh Gordon being released off IR today, per source.
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Here's the current waiver order. I think the order is fixed as of today, even if the Cardinals lose tonight.
It is going to be really interesting to see if he gets claimed. Seems like a no brainer that he will, but you never know until you know, I guess. The stakes are that if he gets claimed, the Patriots get about $1.1 million in cap relief. If you're a potential claiming team, the cap cost is pretty low and there's at least some chance that he'll get you a comp pick the following year. So, it would surprise me if he clears waivers. I think the real question is whether he falls as far as some of the Patriots' rivals. For example, I cannot see him getting past the Bills or Ravens.
I think he would be a great fit in Arizona if he gets that far. Let him play a bit with Fitz, give Murray another option, and give the Cardinals an 8 week test drive.
http://www.tankathon.com/nfl
Field Yates has a different claiming order:
Current NFL waiver claim priority: 1. MIA 2. CIN 3. WAS 4. ATL 5. NYJ 6. NYG 7. DEN 8. TB 9. CLE 10. LAC 11. CHI 12. PIT 13. OAK 14. ARI 15. TEN 16. JAC 17. PHI 18. DET 19. CAR 20. LAR 21. DAL 22. HOU 23. KC 24. BUF 25. BAL 26. IND 27. MIN 28. SEA 29. GB 30. NO 31. NE 32. SF
Difference seems to be in the way they treat teams that have not played the same number of games. Just based on common sense, Yates' methodology makes more sense.
In terms of rebuilding a team, where draft picks are currency - doesn't it make sense that Miami buys his salary for the remainder of the year? Flores knows him, if he sticks, great but if he leaves they get a compensation pick. Cash for a draft pick... they have the cap room.
(No this isn't my original thought - I'm just asking for the opinion of those in the thread.)
(No this isn't my original thought - I'm just asking for the opinion of those in the thread.)
I thought, and this could be a different circumstance, but because Gordon was cut, the Dolphins wouldn't get a comp pick.
Miami didn't cut him. The Patriots won't get a comp pick for Gordon because they cut him.
It actually is fascinating watching NFL kickers just fall apart this year. Their performance through the first 8 weeks is the worst we've seen since 2002, though the average distance of the attempts is up around 1.5 yards per kick since then. But it's bad - 80.4% this year compared to 84.9% last year over the same time period, and because we're through half the season, they've blown through any confidence intervals I've examined to see if this is fluky. It isn't. Kickers this year are not good.
I understand that. I meant I thought there was talk that if a player was cut and signed by another team that the signing team would not get the comp pick when he left as a free agent. But I could be mangling that.
Signing a cut player doesn't count as a compensatory FA added for the signing team. But they can still get a comp pick when that player leaves. Revis is an example; since TB cut him, he didn't cost the Pats in the compensatory formula, but when he left, they got a comp pick for him.
Thanks for putting numbers to compare to the eye test. I thought that it might just be confirmation bias (or recency bias) since it was happening to us Pats fans so much, but it is league-wide apparently.
If it's not too much trouble, can you parse those stats at all, maybe FG's less than 40, 40-50, more than 50, and all PATs?
From 50+ this year, kickers are 40/75, 53.3%. Last year at this time they were 52/78, 66.7%. That difference is really the most meaningful one. If NFL kickers were making 50+ yard kicks at the same rate as last year, we're looking at a 20% chance that this is due to random luck, rather than just a 3% chance that it's because of luck. Kickers have been horrible from distance. They still have been worse from under 40 yards - 92.3% this year compared to 95.9% in 2018, but correcting for that discrepancy would only result in an extra 5 kicks being made, which keeps us at just a 7% chance kickers are worse because of random luck. It is the suck from distance that has mattered this year.