2019 Pats: In-Season Roster & Injury Discussion

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I wonder if there's a strategy in the order cuts are made and/or leaked. So many cuts, do opposing teams look toward the final cuts from another team's roster, instead of those in the middle when so many names go through the list?
 

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Players with more value aren’t cut until they’ve exhausted all options to trade them.
I was more thinking of the Pats trying to slide through a name they want on the PS (Gunner in this case) during the heavy tide of cuts, instead of drawing more attention to him at the end
 

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Hope Gunner makes it through to PS. Love the way he plays, like Edelman's little brother.
 

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I was more thinking of the Pats trying to slide through a name they want on the PS (Gunner in this case) during the heavy tide of cuts, instead of drawing more attention to him at the end
I'm guessing RO has it right - which makes Skipper an interesting one. Many teams are looking for tackle help (at least, per this article in the Athletic) - which means Skipper must have been as shaky as he looked in pre-season.

I'm guessing that a guy like Roberts won't get waived until it's clear that he won't fetch so much as a conditional 2022 pick.
 

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I was more thinking of the Pats trying to slide through a name they want on the PS (Gunner in this case) during the heavy tide of cuts, instead of drawing more attention to him at the end
I don't know. I would assume most teams know who they may want on other team's rosters and they have access to the official NFL lists. It's not like some personnel dude is checking twitter and getting swamped.
 

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The thing I do believe you can game is keeping a guy past today and then trying to waive them—I believe some (many?) teams start to lock in plans after tomorrow’s waivers clear, at least psychologically. I do think that increases chance of keeping someone a bit—but with an obvious cost too
 

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The bothersome thing about the Gunner cut is that it makes Edelman the only clear punt returner. With his thumb balky and his value at WR, it would've been nice to have someone else available for that duty
Good chance Gunner plays on Sunday; today's roster is far from final.
 

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Good chance Gunner plays on Sunday; today's roster is far from final.
Yeah--remember, if they want someone like Rivers to play this year, they have to keep him, then make change. Gunner could be dude coming back.
 

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Yeah it's going to really frustrate me if we expose julian to injury there again
Chung is still an option, and as noted Gunner or someone not yet in the organization could end up active for Game 1.
 

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Well damn.

Worth noting that he might be back in day or two though.
 

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deleted. I misunderstood and phrased something poorly. Nothing to see here, the village needs me back ;)
 
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I’m not saying you shouldn’t have. Sorry - might have missed someone posting that earlier. My mistake.

Edit: I was responding to @RedOctober3829’s comment. No objection at all with you posting the news.
Everyone understood your post except E5.
 

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In the meanwhile though, I guess Hoyer can sign with anyone else. Maybe look at this in a very positive light; Stidham must've REALLY impressed BB and the Pats
 

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If they do plan to re-sign him it's a cap-inefficient move--I believe $1.5 mil in dead money, plus whatever they pay him when he comes back (though I suppose if vet minimum not a lot more).

So I'm not sure what is more likely---they plan to go without him unless something happens, or they REALLY valued keeping someone else for the extra day or two. Rivers being kept, IR'd, and Hoyer to fill that slot (or Gunner to fill it) certainly possble.
 

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Compliments to the apeople here who called this. It carries non negligible risk.
 

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I’d be surprised if Hoyer makes it back. I’m already hearing Denver and Indy have interest.

In other news I would not be at all shocked if we look at Dwayne Allen. Always a good soldier here
 

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I’d be surprised if Hoyer makes it back. I’m already hearing Denver and Indy have interest.
Unless he gets an offer including guaranteed playing time, he's going to be a backup. At this stage of his career, and life, where does he want to do that? That's why releasing him for the initial roster is a calculated bet
 

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Unless he gets an offer including guaranteed playing time, he's going to be a backup. At this stage of his career, and life, where does he want to do that? That's why releasing him for the initial roster is a calculated bet
Another team likely won’t offer guaranteed playing time, but there’s a much higher chance of replacing an incumbent for performance in Indy or Denver. Absent injury or mop up duty, Hoyer isn’t playing in NE.
 

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Another team likely won’t offer guaranteed playing time, but there’s a much higher chance of replacing an incumbent for performance in Indy or Denver. Absent injury or mop up duty, Hoyer isn’t playing in NE.
You think Denver will bench Flacco?
 

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Glad they cut Hoyer, opens a spot for someone else. It's a challenging cutdown process this year and this gives them some added flexibility.
 

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I mean, he was benched for sucking last year. And it’s sure as hell more likely than Brady getting benched.
He was benched for Lamar Jackson, not because he sucked. His numbers were around his career numbers. If you think situations are similar with Hoyer as they were with Jackson, agree to disagree.
 

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I mean, he was benched for sucking last year. And it’s sure as hell more likely than Brady getting benched.
He was benched for Lamar Jackson, not because he sucked. His numbers were around his career numbers. If you think situations are similar with Hoyer as they were with Jackson, agree to disagree.
Regardless of why Flacco was benched, I think we can agree that there is a clearer non-injury path to the starter's role with Flacco than with Brady. Tough to imagine a scenario where the GOAT is beaten out by Lamar Jackson...
 

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Clearly leaking about cutting Gunner was a trial balloon to gauge the SOSH response.
Almost all the Pats reporters reported he “was cut, per source.” Reiss hedged with “has been informed of their intention to release.” Guess you can’t believe everything till it’s official.

Also, fuck yeah, Gunner!
 

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What, how does Rapaport conclude that Gunner - who’s already been cut - will stick?
Gunner wasn’t cut, it was reported that he was getting cut.
It isn’t an obvious Keion is gone so Gunner stays which means someone told Ian that is the case.
 

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What, how does Rapaport conclude that Gunner - who’s already been cut - will stick?
Because nothing is official until turned into the league. They likely told Gunner to stick around because things might change.
 

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Gunner wasn’t cut, it was reported that he was getting cut.
It isn’t an obvious Keion is gone so Gunner stays which means someone told Ian that is the case.
Giardi said they told him they were going to cut him but since it isn't 4 pm yet and they probably didn't file their roster yet they got a deal for Crossen they liked and dealt him so Gunner is taking his spot on ST.

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