2019 Patriots: Post-SB Roster Thread

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That's a great signing. If Tate works out, we've significantly upgraded at the WR position.
Meh. It's fine but the guy has been waived/cut 6 times in 4 years and has 79 career catches. It wouldn't be the first time they've found a diamond in the rough if that's how it works out, but I won't be shocked if he never suits up in the regular season.
 

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If you're Clayborn, wouldn't you have wanted to be cut before teams spent a lot of money?
 

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Meh. It's fine but the guy has been waived/cut 6 times in 4 years and has 79 career catches. It wouldn't be the first time they've found a diamond in the rough if that's how it works out, but I won't be shocked if he never suits up in the regular season.
Yeah that's how I feel. Also doesn't return punts. Meh.
 

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At least he doesn't count against the compensatory pick formula, if he was released by the Lions.
Was kinda hoping for Maurice Harris, though.
 

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Using overthecap, I could find about $11.5 million in savings by cutting:
Adrian Clayborn
Lawrence Guy
Brian Hoyer
Nate Ebner
Elandon Roberts

also Gronk extension would net them about 6 million or so.
A Brady extension could also net the another 10 but he can't be restructured until August (365 day rule)

Greg Bedard was just on with Felger and Mazz and he is very bearish about the Pats cap situation
I like Bedard, but he's been trending towards Felger territory--he was also completely bearish on their defense and on Michel all year and throughout the playoffs.
 

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Well, AJ Green is still a potential trade target.

There was too much Tate/Patriots talk. It never works out like that.
 

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Using overthecap, I could find about $11.5 million in savings by cutting:
Adrian Clayborn
Lawrence Guy
Brian Hoyer
Nate Ebner
Elandon Roberts

also Gronk extension would net them about 6 million or so.
A Brady extension could also net the another 10 but he can't be restructured until August (365 day rule)

Greg Bedard was just on with Felger and Mazz and he is very bearish about the Pats cap situation
Besides the numbers being off since you replaced the cut guys with zeros, why would you cut Lawrence Guy?

He's a bargain at his price.
 

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Really?

What did he say about Lawrence Guy?

Can't find it.
http://sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?threads/2019-patriots-post-sb-roster-thread.26166/page-17#post-3310595

"I should have been more clear. the intent of my post was to demonstrate the cap constraints the team has. Cutting those 5 guys would "only" net a max of $11 million (less, as pointed out in subsequent posts thanks to the rule of 51). I wasn't advocating getting rid of them. I just picked non-star players making "real" money who would provide "real" cap savings if cut"
 

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Schefter reporting $23.5 mil guaranteed money for Tate. I'll bet Pats weren't close to that.

These guys have short careers, I can never criticize someone for taking the money. Obviously, if he wanted to be on a winner it was only so big a factor in the end and that's up to him.
 

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http://sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?threads/2019-patriots-post-sb-roster-thread.26166/page-17#post-3310595

"I should have been more clear. the intent of my post was to demonstrate the cap constraints the team has. Cutting those 5 guys would "only" net a max of $11 million (less, as pointed out in subsequent posts thanks to the rule of 51). I wasn't advocating getting rid of them. I just picked non-star players making "real" money who would provide "real" cap savings if cut"
Still don't see anything there that explains any sense out of cutting Lawrence Guy, but thanks for hall monitoring i guess?
 

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"I should have been more clear. the intent of my post was to demonstrate the cap constraints the team has. Cutting those 5 guys would "only" net a max of $11 million (less, as pointed out in subsequent posts thanks to the rule of 51). I wasn't advocating getting rid of them. I just picked non-star players making "real" money who would provide "real" cap savings if cut"
Think you picked too quickly - just go with 'who's overpaid / can be replaced with cheaper' for that sort of exercise instead, because there's no real point in just dumping people willy-nilly.
 

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Still don't see anything there that explains any sense out of cutting Lawrence Guy, but thanks for hall monitoring i guess?
Um how does "I wasn't advocating getting rid of them" not explain that. He clearly stated that the purpose of the exercise was to show that a few guys with "real" cap numbers still wouldn't move the needle a ton. Not that cutting guy made sense. In fact his point is pretty much the opposite.
 

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Think you picked too quickly - just go with 'who's overpaid / can be replaced with cheaper' for that sort of exercise instead, because there's no real point in just dumping people willy-nilly.
Dumping someone the caliber/salary of Guy is what you see an NBA team do in order to get a franchise-caliber max player. But the NFL is a completely different cap environment and those kinds of moves make no sense.
 

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Um how does "I wasn't advocating getting rid of them" not explain that
Ummm, because he was pretty clearly picking guys he thought they could do without, right?

That's why I was asking him, you know the guy who posted it, why he'd cut Guy.

Because cutting guys like James White and David Andrews and Julian Edelman making right around what Guy does would save them even more, and they didn't make his cut list.

You don't think the list of guys was picked at random, do you?
 

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Ummm, because he was pretty clearly picking guys he thought they could do without, right?

That's why I was asking him, you know the guy who posted it, why he'd cut Guy.

Because cutting guys like James White and David Andrews and Julian Edelman making right around what Guy does would save them even more, and they didn't make his cut list.

You don't think the list of guys was picked at random, do you?
Pretty obvious he picked guys who were not "critical" or team captains or whatever - his point that cutting some mid tier guys doesn't get you anywhere, so why do it?

This whole argument is dumb. It was pretty clear what he was trying to say. The Pats are up against it cap wise and without a major move like a retirement or big time cut, they don't have much wiggle room. Is it that controversial or hard to understand?
 

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Seems like an Ebner replacement? Ebner is an expensive luxury but hard to see a guy like that go if this is what it means.
From my seat by the TV, and even though the number of tackles is solid, Ebner didn't seem to be the consistent force on ST that he had been prior to the knee injury.
 

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4/37 is reason for the market but, yeah, we weren’t touching that on a solid #2 WR who is 31 in August.
 

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From my seat by the TV, and even though the number of tackles is solid, Ebner didn't seem to be the consistent force on ST that he had been prior to the knee injury.
Yeah. I agree. Only so much you can pay for glue guys, though I have no idea if that's what this means. You just can't get too attached to any of these guys.

Whatever his skills, though, the couple of times a year the other team looks to be doing an onside kick it sure is nice to have Ebner on the field. He knows what's what.
 

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Yeah. I agree. Only so much you can pay for glue guys, though I have no idea if that's what this means.

Whatever his skills, though, the couple of times a year the other team looks to be doing an onside kick it sure is nice to have Ebner on the field. He knows what's what.
True, but with rule change that’s a bit less important.
 

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Maurice Harris!
Bruce Ellington!

In related news, the Patriots are bringing Aaron Dobson back.
 

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Maurice Harris played 48.6 percent of his snaps in the slot last season, per @PFF. Inside/outside option. Not a burner. Listed at 6-3, 200 pounds. Had one drop on 29 catchable targets last year. Top-20 in terms of drop rate among receivers with at least 40 targets.