2019 NFL Week 15 Game Thread

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How did the Patriots let Crowder go to the Jets? Would have been nice to use the AB money on him.
 

Michelle34B

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The NFL marketed Peyton v Brady almost like Peyton was the plucky 6th round pick and Brady was born into the “first family of football”. America loves underdogs and yet they rooted for Peyton, always. It’s mind blowing. Especially that America thinks of Brady as a cheater when Manning has the HGH scandal, to make no mention of the sexual assault. Manning is scum and Brady is pretty much a perfect role model. You’d never know it based on a poll of this country.
Holy shit, you have a hard-on for the Mannings.

Up to 2006, Brady was a Hall of Famer with multiple Super Bowl wins. Peyton Manning was 1st team All-Pro 2003-2005, won NFL MVP 2003 and 2004, and his first Super Bowl in 2006.

In Brady's age 30 season, everything changed. Gisele, Josh McDaniels in his second year as OC, slot receivers like Welker and Edelman, and Hall of Famers Moss and Gronkowski (future HOF). I think he's been with Under Armor and Uggs since 2007, and his jersey sales have been on top for nearly 20 years now.

What if Tom Brady was 1st team All-Pro or NFL MVP in his 20s? What if Russell Wilson was 1st team All-Pro or NFL MVP(31 years old)? Peyton, Mahomes, and probably soon Jackson will have done it at a young age, and changes how the public views their entire career.
 

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Holy shit, you have a hard-on for the Mannings.

Up to 2006, Brady was a Hall of Famer with multiple Super Bowl wins. Peyton Manning was 1st team All-Pro 2003-2005, won NFL MVP 2003 and 2004, and his first Super Bowl in 2006.

In Brady's age 30 season, everything changed. Gisele, Josh McDaniels in his second year as OC, slot receivers like Welker and Edelman, and Hall of Famers Moss and Gronkowski (future HOF). I think he's been with Under Armor and Uggs since 2007, and his jersey sales have been on top for nearly 20 years now.

What if Tom Brady was 1st team All-Pro or NFL MVP in his 20s? What if Russell Wilson was 1st team All-Pro or NFL MVP(31 years old)? Peyton, Mahomes, and probably soon Jackson will have done it at a young age, and changes how the public views their entire career.
I don’t understand your point.
 

Michelle34B

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  1. Jim Brown was 2x All-Pro and NFL MVP by age 22. LJ looks to do it once by 22, Mahomes once at 23, Marino once at 23, Manning at 27, Favre was 3x at age 28. They were separated more from their team success at an early age and recognized for their individual success.
  2. Does anyone remember Rich Gannon, Peyton Manning, and Y.A. Tittle all won NFL MVP at age 37? Brady's late stage career has eclipsed all others, and probably isn't something people will come to terms with until he retires.
  3. A lot of things changed for Brady at age 30 and after 2007. Russell Wilson became the highest paid player in the NFL at age 30.
  4. I've gotten to hear a lot of great stories about where people were in their lives when Eli Manning became QB of the New York Football Giants, and where they are now that he is close to retirement. There has to be a few people who named their kid after Tom Brady, that now have a grandkid that is named after Tom Brady also.
  5. Playoff standings today, The Patriots would expect to face Mahomes, LJ, and Jimmy G to win the Super Bowl. If that happens, I would love to see the reactions to this. Enjoy it.
 

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  1. Jim Brown was 2x All-Pro and NFL MVP by age 22. LJ looks to do it once by 22, Mahomes once at 23, Marino once at 23, Manning at 27, Favre was 3x at age 28. They were separated more from their team success at an early age and recognized for their individual success.
  2. Does anyone remember Rich Gannon, Peyton Manning, and Y.A. Tittle all won NFL MVP at age 37? Brady's late stage career has eclipsed all others, and probably isn't something people will come to terms with until he retires.
  3. A lot of things changed for Brady at age 30 and after 2007. Russell Wilson became the highest paid player in the NFL at age 30.
  4. I've gotten to hear a lot of great stories about where people were in their lives when Eli Manning became QB of the New York Football Giants, and where they are now that he is close to retirement. There has to be a few people who named their kid after Tom Brady, that now have a grandkid that is named after Tom Brady also.
  5. Playoff standings today, The Patriots would expect to face Mahomes, LJ, and Jimmy G to win the Super Bowl. If that happens, I would love to see the reactions to this. Enjoy it.
I still have absolutely no idea what your point is.
 

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Holy shit, you have a hard-on for the Mannings.

Up to 2006, Brady was a Hall of Famer with multiple Super Bowl wins. Peyton Manning was 1st team All-Pro 2003-2005, won NFL MVP 2003 and 2004, and his first Super Bowl in 2006.

In Brady's age 30 season, everything changed. Gisele, Josh McDaniels in his second year as OC, slot receivers like Welker and Edelman, and Hall of Famers Moss and Gronkowski (future HOF). I think he's been with Under Armor and Uggs since 2007, and his jersey sales have been on top for nearly 20 years now.

What if Tom Brady was 1st team All-Pro or NFL MVP in his 20s? What if Russell Wilson was 1st team All-Pro or NFL MVP(31 years old)? Peyton, Mahomes, and probably soon Jackson will have done it at a young age, and changes how the public views their entire career.
  1. Jim Brown was 2x All-Pro and NFL MVP by age 22. LJ looks to do it once by 22, Mahomes once at 23, Marino once at 23, Manning at 27, Favre was 3x at age 28. They were separated more from their team success at an early age and recognized for their individual success.
  2. Does anyone remember Rich Gannon, Peyton Manning, and Y.A. Tittle all won NFL MVP at age 37? Brady's late stage career has eclipsed all others, and probably isn't something people will come to terms with until he retires.
  3. A lot of things changed for Brady at age 30 and after 2007. Russell Wilson became the highest paid player in the NFL at age 30.
  4. I've gotten to hear a lot of great stories about where people were in their lives when Eli Manning became QB of the New York Football Giants, and where they are now that he is close to retirement. There has to be a few people who named their kid after Tom Brady, that now have a grandkid that is named after Tom Brady also.
  5. Playoff standings today, The Patriots would expect to face Mahomes, LJ, and Jimmy G to win the Super Bowl. If that happens, I would love to see the reactions to this. Enjoy it.
This reads like an AI chatbot response to "can you give me some random facts about NFL players?"
 

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Ah yes, the last resort of a called-out troll: accuse everyone else of being too sensitive.

In this case you're just being accused of a non sequitur - and a simple clarification would likely have sufficed. Perhaps it's you who's being too sensitive.
 

lars10

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What I don't quite understand is how "everything" changed for Brady in 2007?

But I think the general point was Brady has had a great and long career.. why talk about the Mannings?
 

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Ah yes, the last resort of a called-out troll: accuse everyone else of being too sensitive.

In this case you're just being accused of a non sequitur - and a simple clarification would likely have sufficed. Perhaps it's you who's being too sensitive.
The poster has a rep, and that’s fair, but I thought her point was clear: Brady was better in his 30s than his 20s, and players like that tend not to get their due, at least during their playing days.

Dwight Evans is an example of this, though of course TB12 is on a different level in his sport and won’t get screwed out of a spot in the Hall of Fame like Dewey has been.
 

Michelle34B

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I have a reputation? I'm a troll? Cool. I found this site in high school, and have been a Red Sox and New York Football Giants fan my entire life. Thanks to this site, I met a lot of friends in real life and wouldn't have had as great of an experience in '03 and '04 and every year following if not for it.

You can call me what you want, I honestly haven't spent any time thinking about it at all. Good luck to your Patriots. If they win the Super Bowl, this is one of the first places that will come to mind.
 

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I have a reputation? I'm a troll? Cool. I found this site in high school, and have been a Red Sox and New York Football Giants fan my entire life. Thanks to this site, I met a lot of friends in real life and wouldn't have had as great of an experience in '03 and '04 and every year following if not for it.

You can call me what you want, I honestly haven't spent any time thinking about it at all. Good luck to your Patriots. If they win the Super Bowl, this is one of the first places that will come to mind.
I started this, so let me be clear: I in no way, shape, or form accused you of trolling. I was asking what your point was, in both posts. You posted some facts. I didn't understand the point you were trying to make with those facts. Am I still don't understand your point. So instead of trolling - which I think the Alexa post was - could you maybe answer my question? As the SoSH rules go... don't suck.
 

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I’m interested to see what happens with Jameis Winston this offseason. He’s one of the best 32 QBs on the planet, but probably not one of the top 20. How much character baggage will teams look past for a below-average QB?
 

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I’m interested to see what happens with Jameis Winston this offseason. He’s one of the best 32 QBs on the planet, but probably not one of the top 20. How much character baggage will teams look past for a below-average QB?
He's most certainly in the top 20.
 

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Arians made Carson Palmer an MVP candidate. I’m not sold on Winston as an average or above-average starting QB.
Considering some of the QBs playing in 2019, (Allen, Blough, Haskins) I think it's very fair to say Winston is an above average QB. But he is certainly a turnover machine.
 

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Arians made Carson Palmer an MVP candidate. I’m not sold on Winston as an average or above-average starting QB.
Jameis has 200 yards passing and 2TDs in the first quarter. Small sample size, obviously, but Arians or not, Winston is pretty good.
 

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Jameis has 200 yards passing and 2TDs in the first quarter. Small sample size, obviously, but Arians or not, Winston is pretty good.
Winston is tough and has a strong arm, but this year being his best season (when he has a Mac Truck’s fill of turnovers) is not overly impressive.

Arians is the perfect coach for Winston’s strengths. This is likely the best version of Jamie’s
 

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I’m interested to see what happens with Jameis Winston this offseason. He’s one of the best 32 QBs on the planet, but probably not one of the top 20. How much character baggage will teams look past for a below-average QB?
He has Chicago Bears written all over him.
 

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The Dolphins have got to be the best 3-10 team I've ever seen.
I’d give that distinction to the 1993 Pats (first season under Parcells), but this Dolphins’ team has similarities to that one. Unfortunately for them, the bet on Rosen seems to be a bust; otherwise, they’d be a dark-horse playoff contender next season.
 

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Did we find out what Michelle's talking about?

Ah, passive aggressive Giants fans. Never could quite get over not being THE Northeast team starting in 2001.