2019 NFL Week 11 Game Thread

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Mayfield sounds like a leader for one of the first times publicly, and there are clowns blasting him for it?
 

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“A win’s a win. I don’t think it’s overshadowed by what happened in eight seconds,” Garrett told reporters in the locker room.
Garrett refused to talk about what set him off. Replays showed that Rudolph tried to rip off Garrett’s helmet before trying to kick him.
Nothing Rudolph did or said, though, would have excused Garrett’s reaction.
Officials ejected Garrett; the NFL will suspend him, perhaps for the rest of the season; and his reputation is forever gone.
Garrett will wear a scarlet letter as a dirty player the rest of his career.
The former No. 1 overall pick didn’t seem to understand the severity of his actions.
“I made a mistake; I lost my cool,” Garrett said. “It’s going to come back to hurt our team. The guys who jumped in the scrum, I appreciate my teammates having my back, but it shouldn’t have gotten that far. That’s on me.”
 

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Who is Chad Forbes? Just some guy who has "last Goodell fan" on his byline on twitter? That explains a bit.

Just SHUT your mouth, Chad.

It's one thing for former players to prescribe to that defending players mantra who crossed the line, but "journalists?" Cmon.
 

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By sacking the QB after the ball was already out of his hand on a meaningless play in garbage time. He instigated the whole thing and I don't blame Rudolph one bit for reacting the way he did.
My bad. I meant Rudolph. DanoooME said some NFLN guys said Rudolph started it.
 

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Yea the nfl is mass delusion but pouncey wasn’t in the wrong here. He might get fined and suspended and I hate him but I don’t blame him at all for what he did
He told the press that he was so upset at the moment, he didn't even remember what he did
 

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Just saw the entire video on SC. After Garrett takes him to the turf after the ball was thrown, Rudolph does indeed grab Garrett's helmet and tries to pull it off from behind, then kicks him in the groin.

Doesn't excuse at all what Garrett did in response, but it does show that Rudolph isn't a total innocent.
 
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What do people think garret will actually get suspended (now what he should). After Kareem got six but then tyreek got nothing I think it’s entirely random. I’m guessing 2
 

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Just saw the entire video on SC. Rudolph does indeed grab Garrett's helmet and tries to pull it off from behind, then kicks him in the groin after Garrett takes him to the turf after the ball was thrown.

Doesn't excuse at all what Garrett did in response, but it does show that Rudolph isn't a total innocent.
Rudolph isn’t innocent but if you look at some responses by Steelers fans to some tweets you’d think Garrett was. They’re ridiculous
 

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What do people think garret will actually get suspended (now what he should). After Kareem got six but then tyreek got nothing I think it’s entirely random. I’m guessing 2
2 games? Nah ... he's done for the year
 

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Yea the nfl is mass delusion but pouncey wasn’t in the wrong here. He might get fined and suspended and I hate him but I don’t blame him at all for what he did
Fair enough and I get that the players feel a need to recognize stuff like this. However a player tried to brain another guy and people are taking time out to make sure we note Pouncey the hero when the guy and his brother may have actually committed worse acts.
 

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the media is mostly calling for at least the rest of the year. NFL will get skewered if they deliver anything less, so they won't do that.
 

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Fair enough and I get that the players feel a need to recognize stuff like this. However a player tried to brain another guy and people are taking time out to make sure we note Pouncey the hero when the guy and his brother may have actually committed worse acts.
I agree with that actually he shouldn’t be called a hero at all. Misunderstood what you were saying
 

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Appalling to watch this fight in real time. But also wondering just what set Garrett off that badly, and looked for an alternative explanation. Along the way to not finding the core motivation (did Rudolph say or do something egregious beforehand, or...), I came across a detailed description of the events of the fight. On the Dawg Pound NFL Nation site, of course. Not to condone the violence, but it is interesting to see an opposing fan's view of the events surrounding the helmet wielding assault.

Dawgs by Nature: Myles vs Mason Fight

The commentary by someone called betaparticle below the GIF is interesting. I didn't change the quote, but put line spacing between the major events of the fight.

"Myles finishes a tackle that he could have let go, but we don't know if he knew the ball had been thrown.
Mason attacks Myles by trying for several seconds to wrench Myles' helmet off, twisting and shoving the helmet in multiple directions.
Myles retaliates and grabs Mason's helmet, but doesn't really twist, until...
Mason places his right foot cleats first into Myles groin and pushes off.
Myles having just been nutted retaliates and rips Mason's helmet off violently.
Myles is removed from the situation by DeCastro, who seems to be in peacemaker mode the entire time (cheers to DeCastro).

Myles appears to calm down as he doesn't make a single aggressive move towards DeCastro nor does he try to move back towards Mason. The scrum is effectively ended, until... Mason gets up off the ground, moves aggressively towards Myles and starts pushing and grabbing at Myles even though Garrett no longer poses a threat or displays aggressiveness towards Rudolph.

Only after about 1.5-2.0 seconds of being pushed and grabbed by Rudolph does Garrett retaliate with the helmet swing. Garrett still never makes an aggressive move towards DeCastro.
Having been clubbed with a helmet, Rudolph decides to retreat and ask for a flag.
Simultaneous to Rudolph's retreat, DeCastro takes Myles to the ground.
Pouncey punches Myles 3 times in the head as DeCastro is taking Garrett to the ground.
DeCastro effectively pins Garrett.

Garrett goes passive, doesn't resist being pinned.
Pouncey punches the completely restrained and passive Myles once more in the head.
Garrett remains restrained and passive.
Pouncey stands up to kick Garrett in the head one time.
Garrett remains restrained and passive.
Pouncey gets back on the ground and punches Myles in the head one last time."
 

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Appalling to watch this fight in real time. But also wondering just what set Garrett off that badly, and looked for an alternative explanation. Along the way to not finding the core motivation (did Rudolph say or do something egregious beforehand, or...), I came across a detailed description of the events of the fight. On the Dawg Pound NFL Nation site, of course. Not to condone the violence, but it is interesting to see an opposing fan's view of the events surrounding the helmet wielding assault.

Dawgs by Nature: Myles vs Mason Fight

The commentary by someone called betaparticle below the GIF is interesting. I didn't change the quote, but put line spacing between the major events of the fight.

"Myles finishes a tackle that he could have let go, but we don't know if he knew the ball had been thrown.
Mason attacks Myles by trying for several seconds to wrench Myles' helmet off, twisting and shoving the helmet in multiple directions.
Myles retaliates and grabs Mason's helmet, but doesn't really twist, until...
Mason places his right foot cleats first into Myles groin and pushes off.
Myles having just been nutted retaliates and rips Mason's helmet off violently.
Myles is removed from the situation by DeCastro, who seems to be in peacemaker mode the entire time (cheers to DeCastro).

Myles appears to calm down as he doesn't make a single aggressive move towards DeCastro nor does he try to move back towards Mason. The scrum is effectively ended, until... Mason gets up off the ground, moves aggressively towards Myles and starts pushing and grabbing at Myles even though Garrett no longer poses a threat or displays aggressiveness towards Rudolph.

Only after about 1.5-2.0 seconds of being pushed and grabbed by Rudolph does Garrett retaliate with the helmet swing. Garrett still never makes an aggressive move towards DeCastro.
Having been clubbed with a helmet, Rudolph decides to retreat and ask for a flag.
Simultaneous to Rudolph's retreat, DeCastro takes Myles to the ground.
Pouncey punches Myles 3 times in the head as DeCastro is taking Garrett to the ground.
DeCastro effectively pins Garrett.

Garrett goes passive, doesn't resist being pinned.
Pouncey punches the completely restrained and passive Myles once more in the head.
Garrett remains restrained and passive.
Pouncey stands up to kick Garrett in the head one time.
Garrett remains restrained and passive.
Pouncey gets back on the ground and punches Myles in the head one last time."
Wow. If that guy made that post with a straight face, he's got better muscle control than Jim Carrey.

Still, a cleated dick kick than a blow to the head with a helmet - the Marques de Queenberry weeps.

I have no idea how long a suspension he'll get. On the one hand, if Rudolph had an eggshell skull, Garrett would be a murder defendant right now. Seems like everyone was saying full year, and the NFL governs by uproar. On the other, it's hard to say it's worse than Haynesworth (not that precedent matters), and it's difficult to say it's more morally wrong than a lot of off the field stuff that gets little or no suspension. I get that workplace sins are worse than free time sins, but part of what's driving the calls for draconian punishments are moral outcries, and I don't know if swinging a hard object at the head of a large athlete who'd just assaulted you is worse than hitting a spouse or child.
 

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Would be comfortable with a lifetime ban. It’s a shame if the league looks to its own precedent and doesn’t suspend at least a full season when they really should be looking at Bertuzzi and McSorley as the appropriate comps.
 

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I have no idea how long a suspension he'll get. On the one hand, if Rudolph had an eggshell skull, Garrett would be a murder defendant right now.
Garrett was lucky, beyond lucky, that the helmet swing resulted in the bottom of the helmet, which is padded, connecting with Rudolph's head. Because it's so bad no matter what, but at least it also didn't result in any injury, let alone a serious one.

Garrett lost it. He was instigated but it doesn't even remotely matter. You can scuffle on the field, pretend to throw some punches. But you cannot attack a dude with no helmet with his helmet and try to connect to the head. It's beyond insane.

He'll get 3 games.
 

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What do people think garret will actually get suspended (now what he should). After Kareem got six but then tyreek got nothing I think it’s entirely random. I’m guessing 2
Video evidence rules the day. And this ain't a grainy elevator or hallway security cam.

Say bye bye to this giant piece of shit for a while. If Garrett twisted his wrist a little during the swing and hit Rudolph with the shell instead of the helmet padding, Rudolph would still be in the hospital this AM, if not the morgue. Zero excuse for trying to club a man to death.
 

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I highly doubt Garrett serves any 2020 time. He’ll get multiple games this year and probably the whole season. And then the offseason comes and everyone forgets. Then, you have some puff piece in training camp and we’re all set.
 

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I highly doubt Garrett serves any 2020 time. He’ll get multiple games this year and probably the whole season. And then the offseason comes and everyone forgets. Then, you have some puff piece in training camp and we’re all set.
Heartfelt apology, work with kids with head injuries, six figure donation (matched by team and/or league) and another statement about understanding what folks with head injuries go through and he's a much better human being now?
 

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Hope he only gets 2 games. What he did is no different than other sports entertainment (MMA, NHL fights, Boxing). All the comments saying he could have killed him are laughable.

Give me more of these fights. Can't wait to see Browns/Steelers II in a few weeks.
 

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Not sure I understand the sentiments about Kitchens getting canned, or suspended, or whatever. There is no precedent for that. Not that precedent really matters in the eyes of the Ginger Hammer. But unless they have something to prove that Kitchens told him, or any other players, to hurt other players, they got nothing.
 

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Hope he only gets 2 games. What he did is no different than other sports entertainment (MMA, NHL fights, Boxing). All the comments saying he could have killed him are laughable.

Give me more of these fights. Can't wait to see Browns/Steelers II in a few weeks.
The NHL equivalent is Marty McSorely Not a run of the mill fight.
 

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Just saw the replay of this. Crazy crazy. Garrett did seem contrite afterward, and it seemed genuine. Should still receive a lengthy suspension, but it does seem out of character. I don't get the hate for Mayfield. Thought his response was fine. Not sure why Kitchens will be on the hot seat for this.
 

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Not buying the comparison to NHL fights. I agree with those that say Garrett will probably get rest of the season. This is the NFL though so practically anything is on the table. I could see as low as 3 or 4 but wouldn't be shocked with an 8 game going into next season.


Pouncey should get a game or two. He kicked a guy in the head and was looking to hurt someone. He's not defending anyone at that point, he's just looking for revenge and only going to escalate things. Might be somewhat understandable but in no way was he in the right.


On a semi-related note, Randall should get a suspension for the targeting hit. Completely unnecessary.
 

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Not buying the comparison to NHL fights. I agree with those that say Garrett will probably get rest of the season. This is the NFL though so practically anything is on the table. I could see as low as 3 or 4 but wouldn't be shocked with an 8 game going into next season.


Pouncey should get a game or two. He kicked a guy in the head and was looking to hurt someone. He's not defending anyone at that point, he's just looking for revenge and only going to escalate things. Might be somewhat understandable but in no way was he in the right.


On a semi-related note, Randall should get a suspension for the targeting hit. Completely unnecessary.
If Garrett gets the rest of the year, and it is possible, you have to give Rudolph one game for the kick to the nuts and for him trying to pull Garrett's helmet off.

It was pretty bad all around. The sack was bad. the kick and helmet twist by Rudolph was worse. And then the return volley with the helmet on a helmetless player was reprehensible. Just a horrendous situation that kept getting worse. But maybe Garrett might not get any games because that's just hard nosed AFC North football.
 

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I think the most likely outcome is a four game suspension for Garrett, one game for Pouncey, and a fine for Rudolph. The Browns will argue that Garrett's actions were all reactive( Rudolph tried to rip his helmet off first, Garrett was passively being led away before Rudolph charged again, Garrett did not try to continue after the swing or escalate against Pouncey, etc...). Basically, the "don't start none, won't be none" defense. Honestly, I think the Randall hit is much worse, both in terms of danger to the player and in terms of needing a message sent by the league. It should be getting more attention.
 

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To me, this is equivalent of charging the mound with a bat or taking your skate off and trying to stab someone.
Suspend him the rest of the year.
Rudolph and Pouncy multi game suspensions, too.
 

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Regarding suspension time. I am shocked Rudolph wasn't taken off the field in a stretcher. He was extremely lucky. Garrett is a strong dude and he used a helmet is the weapon. If he catches Rudolph's head at a different angle or maybe with the crown of the helmet Rudolph could be in very serious condition in the hospital right now. Players get concussions from helmet to helmet hits in the NFL. This was a helmet to a players unprotected head.
 

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Hope he only gets 2 games. What he did is no different than other sports entertainment (MMA, NHL fights, Boxing)
If one of the MMA guys had a club then your point is valid. If Garrett had just hauled off and punched him in the face the media reaction today is a whole lot different.
 

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Hope he only gets 2 games. What he did is no different than other sports entertainment (MMA, NHL fights, Boxing). All the comments saying he could have killed him are laughable.

Give me more of these fights. Can't wait to see Browns/Steelers II in a few weeks.
I lol at you.
 

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Garrett made an unnecessary and hard take-down of Rudolph. That should have been a penalty/fine/whatever - and also should have been the end of it.
Rudolph took umbrage and began trying to yank off Garrett's helmet (for reasons known only to him), and then planted his cleats in Garrett's groin. At that point they were separated and it looked like things were over. Then Rudolph came after Garrett again and got a helmet to the head for his trouble. Then several Steelers took Garrett to the ground and began beating and kicking him.

I'm having a hard time finding the good guy in this story.
 

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People don't understand - It's not just Garrett who is lucky, it's also the NFL. If Garrett happened to be holding the helmet upside down and Rudolph's skull is cracked open on national TV, you can only imagine the conversation this morning.

NFL is going to make an example of Garrett. As they say, bad facts make bad law, and using a helmet as a weapon is at bad facts can get.
 

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Garrett made an unnecessary and hard take-down of Rudolph. That should have been a penalty/fine/whatever - and also should have been the end of it.
Rudolph took umbrage and began trying to yank off Garrett's helmet (for reasons known only to him), and then planted his cleats in Garrett's groin. At that point they were separated and it looked like things were over. Then Rudolph came after Garrett again and got a helmet to the head for his trouble. Then several Steelers took Garrett to the ground and began beating and kicking him.

I'm having a hard time finding the good guy in this story.
There's a distinct bad guy though.

The first 2 things happen on football fields every week. The last one doesn't.