2019 NFL: Trade Deadline Thread

Byrdbrain

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It is an interesting name that much is for sure.

So as not to gamethread I just don’t see the Pats adding OL at this point TE is the place that makes sense and I think OJ is a fit if Tampa is reasonable.
 

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I like the trade for Leonard Williams. Dexter Lawrence and Leonard Williams are two big building blocks, with BJ Hill likely on the other side. Solid rotation with Dalvin Tomlinson, but I would expect him to be on the way out. Let's see what veterans the New York Football Giants trade before the deadline. It definitely feels like there are more moves to come.
 

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People on twitter and reddit seem to be all about the Pats trading a 1 for Howard. I do not understand the appeal. I'd be all over it if they could do it for a third or even something like a third and a fifth. A first? Get the fuck out
 

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Would a 1st for Howard + tb2 go anywhere?

tb2 looks to be high in round 2. Maybe the bucs really value that first rounder. Tho i would guess tb declines rd2.
Maybe get tb3. Pats have a ton of rd 3. But again looks to be high round versus the comp picks.

Loathe to give up a rd1, but if OJH can help
The blocking and protecting Brady may be worth it if also get a strong pick back in return
 

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We’re going to give up a first for a guy who may be injured, who has missed games every year for injury, who plays a position that gets injured often, and who has averaged 2 catches and 30 yards when healthy this year.

I’m not seeing it. It’s silly season. Coach Tomlinson, Izzo or Lacosse up to block a little better and throw to Watson occasionally when he is open.
 

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We’re going to give up a first for a guy who may be injured, who has missed games every year for injury, who plays a position that gets injured often, and who has averaged 2 catches and 30 yards when healthy this year.

I’m not seeing it. It’s silly season. Coach Tomlinson, Izzo or Lacosse up to block a little better and throw to Watson occasionally when he is open.
I mean, they clearly aren’t giving up a 1st or it would have happened already. And those 3 TEs are all awful. There is no coaching them up. They suck. At least Watson can catch a little bit.

As for Howard, he had 8 games last year (out of 10) of 50 or more receiving yards. He was on pace for 55/900/8. You give up a late 1st every day of the week if you can get a two-way TE capable of that. Your concerns about his durability and lack of production are valid but the guy has serious talent. If BB actually makes a move to get him, which is probably unlikely, I’m all in.
 

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If there is a possibility that the quarterback retires, it would kind of suck to hit the draft with no 1st and 2nd draft capital for the privilege of having OJ Howard and Mo Sanu.
The delta between Watson and Howard is exactly what?
 

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If there is a possibility that the quarterback retires, it would kind of suck to hit the draft with no 1st and 2nd draft capital for the privilege of having OJ Howard and Mo Sanu.
The delta between Watson and Howard is exactly what?
The delta between what Watson is now and what Howard was last year is significant. It would be a risky endeavor, which is why it won’t happen for a 1st. A 3rd and a later 2020 pick or 2021 conditional pick seems about right. But doubt Tampa pulls trigger on that. And somebody else probably beats it.
 

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If there is a possibility that the quarterback retires, it would kind of suck to hit the draft with no 1st and 2nd draft capital for the privilege of having OJ Howard and Mo Sanu.
The delta between Watson and Howard is exactly what?
Rather enormous, it is fairly apparent Watson has lost 3 steps since his first tenure in NE. He is also probably the only TE that could afford to lose 3 steps and stay in the league. Still he is now a 5-10yd receiving option max. Tomlinson and Watson are barely serviceable, esp for a NE offense that likes to get the TE down the field. Howard prior to this season has averaged 16.6 YPC exactly the type of seam buster this team has had success with in the past.

As for people questioning his productivity keep in mind he has played on teams with Mike Evans, Chris Godwin, Humphries, Cameron Brate and now plays for a HC who has never featured the TE.

The injury concerns are valid but the talent/productivity really isn't.
 

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Not worth a first, even a Patriots late first.
And Watson’s catch this week was for 26. Not sure why he is being written off after that and the Jets game.
 

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If there is a possibility that the quarterback retires, it would kind of suck to hit the draft with no 1st and 2nd draft capital for the privilege of having OJ Howard and Mo Sanu.
The delta between Watson and Howard is exactly what?
One could argue that if there is a possibility that the QB retires, then this could be our last realistic shot for a while so we should maximize it.
 

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Not worth a first, even a Patriots late first.
And Watson’s catch this week was for 26. Not sure why he is being written off after that and the Jets game.
2018 Howard is absolutely worth a first. The sticking point here is knowing what Howard you’re getting. Right now, he’s not worth a first because there is too much risk. As for Watson, the team has already written him off before. He’s only back because of injuries...to marginal, at best, players. There’s a reason why the Pats have called about Howard and have already cut Watson once this year.
 

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I feel like the only way for Howard to happen is for an overpay. Tampa won’t want to wait till 2021 and likely won’t settle for a 3. Only way I do a 1 is if we get back Howard AND a mid rounder so hopefully we have some flexibility to trade up. Can’t see the Pats wanting to abandon the first 2 rounds without at least having the mid round ammo to move up if a diamond begins falling
 

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I feel like the only way for Howard to happen is for an overpay. Tampa won’t want to wait till 2021 and likely won’t settle for a 3. Only way I do a 1 is if we get back Howard AND a mid rounder so hopefully we have some flexibility to trade up. Can’t see the Pats wanting to abandon the first 2 rounds without at least having the mid round ammo to move up if a diamond begins falling
Don't we expect to have 3 third rounders as of now?
 

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I can’t wait for the trade deadline to be over so we can stop this foolishness. There is not any O-line help out there that is available and affordable, we are not giving up a 1st on an often injured TE, and we have already churned through kicking replacements. I believe we are going with our current options and what is coming off the IR. But what the hell do I know. Bill could surprise us all and I have complete trust in his talent evaluation and cost/risk assessment.
 

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Right. That doesn’t mean the Pats will take a shitty deal. I don’t see them valuing Howard for a 1 straight up. Maybe Howard and a 4 or a 5.
Who here is saying that Pats will give up a 1 for Howard? They clearly won’t. But there is real upside to Howard, especially given the needs of the team, that can’t be be overlooked. Late firsts are far from sure things. We’ve used them recently on guys like Dominique Easley and Malcolm Brown. If you could guarantee me Howard’s 2018 production for 2.5 years of control, I give up that first in a heartbeat. Obviously, nobody can which is why I wouldn’t trade the 1 for him.
 

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Right. That doesn’t mean the Pats will take a shitty deal. I don’t see them valuing Howard for a 1 straight up. Maybe Howard and a 4 or a 5.
I wasn't saying they would. I was saying they do have some ammunition to potentially move up in the draft, which is what you were talking about in your post.
 

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I haven't watched Howard enough to know if he's the guy but I'd absolutely use the 2020 first on a high quality WR or TE. The Brady window is (finally) short enough that giving up assets to maximize the 2019-2020 at the expense of 2022 and later is sensible.
 

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Yeah, there has been way more in-season cap tap dancing this year than others, so I am sure Belichick has had to manage things much differently this year than others. If you knew you were getting the AB money back next year, maybe you borrow it this year but they’ve picked all the low hanging fruit and then some to clear cap space. Not many cap controlled players out there on the trade market and the one we seem to be interested in, Howard, is too expensive.
 

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We probably don’t make a move today but all that quote tells me is that a deal for a high salary guy is unlikely.
Other than Howard, what rookie contract guys on bad teams seem to be available? Most offensive linemen and pass catchers are either too valuable in future years for teams that suck this year to give up, or are making multi-millions if any good.
 

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Other than Howard, what rookie contract guys on bad teams seem to be available? Most offensive linemen and pass catchers are either too valuable in future years for teams that suck this year to give up, or are making multi-millions if any good.
I don't think an OL would be the target. Would Cincy dangle a guy like Erickson? I think there are potential Van Noy deals out there that we could accommodate. Howard seems to be the only shiny object that we have any shot at. And we're probably going to pass unless the price unexpectedly drops precipitously. But we really have no idea who's been made available. Almost everyone has a price. If you start dangling a 1st round pick (not suggesting we actually will), guys who you didn't think were available become available.
 

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BB's statements on his intended career arc yesterday certainly put the pin into the (already questionable) all-in hypothetical bubble for the 2019 season.
 

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He means a KVN-style trade (picking up a no-name underutilized player who fits our system well), not trading away KVN.
Ok ... that makes sense but wasn't at all clear. If they trade any LB it should be Roberts (as Bedard has suggested), but I would be surprised if they did having already moved one defensive piece (Bennett) to open up some cap room (and probably quiet the locker room).
 

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I don't know if the Lions are sellers or not after dealing Quandre Diggs (they're .500 but face a lot of competition for the wild card), but they have a couple guys in the last year of their rookie deals that might be interesting: DT A'Shawn Robinson and G/C Graham Glasgow.
 

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Also on a rookie deal, and I think he was mentioned before, but what about (oft-injured) Hunter Henry? I'm sure the Chargers irrationally believe they have a chance at the playoffs, but he fits the OJ Howard/Austin Hooper TE pipe dream.
 

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NFL Network's Ian Rapoport (and others) has reported the Philadelphia Eagles could consider moving reserve tackle Halapoulivaati Vaitai. Vaitai was the starting LT in Super Bowl 50. The Eagles need CB help -- maybe JC Jackson or JMac goes that way? Vaitai is in the last year of his rookie contract and his base salary was $2.025M, so he would be owed about $1M by the Pats for the rest of the season.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Tyler Eifert heading this way as a TE target. I bet a 6th would get that done.
 

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NFL Network's Ian Rapoport (and others) has reported the Philadelphia Eagles could consider moving reserve tackle Halapoulivaati Vaitai. Vaitai was the starting LT in Super Bowl 50. The Eagles need CB help -- maybe JC Jackson or JMac goes that way? Vaitai is in the last year of his rookie contract and his base salary was $2.025M, so he would be owed about $1M by the Pats for the rest of the season.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Tyler Eifert heading this way as a TE target. I bet a 6th would get that done.
JMac is a fantastic starting CB, arguably top 10 in the league. He's not getting traded for a backup LT, especially with Wynn likely to come back.
 

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If Philly is willing to trade Vitai, that itself is a red flag. They’re trying to contend this year, and Vitai plays a critical position at which they have a guy at the end of the line who has suffered several major injuries in recent years (Peters). In theory Philly should be looking at Vitai as the successor to Peters.
 

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Could Le’Veon Bell’s time with the Jets already be coming to an end?
The Daily News has learned that Gang Green is amenable to dealing the perennial Pro Bowl running back for the right price before the 4 p.m. trade deadline. Although it’s unclear what that price tag has been during discussions, there are legitimate buyers. The Jets would unload a big salary as general manager Joe Douglas looks to reshape the roster.
Keep an eye on the Texans, Chiefs and Bills, who could use a dynamic running back. The Eagles likely would love to add Bell, but it appears that it would be cost prohibitive to add him.

https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/ny-leveon-bell-trade-deadline-20191029-pkcnug3sifgufph66ghni7esam-story.html?__twitter_impression=true
 

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How would the Jets maneuver the dead money trading Bell would create given they only have north of 9M in cap space?

Sounds like bullshit, unless Mehta is assuming a Hail Mary scenario where the cap gymnastics (not to mention finding the right buyer) on both sides are navigated in mere hours.
 

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How would the Jets maneuver the dead money trading Bell would create given they only have north of 9M in cap space?

Sounds like bullshit, unless Mehta is assuming a Hail Mary scenario where the cap gymnastics (not to mention finding the right buyer) on both sides are navigated in mere hours.
That hit is $25 million per Spotrac.

Something always seems off to be about trading a player that was just signed as a FA. The guy picks finally has control and picks the team he wants, and then is dealt within a year. I almost think players should get a 1 year NTC if signing a FA deal for 3 or 4 years or longer.
 

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Watch us trade for a Quality Defensive player. The same type of move that leave us all scratching our head for 2 minutes then posting how its Genius and how we will now only give up 3.2 pts per game.

Followed by a surprise IR listing of Chung or something.
 

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If Philly is willing to trade Vitai, that itself is a red flag. They’re trying to contend this year, and Vitai plays a critical position at which they have a guy at the end of the line who has suffered several major injuries in recent years (Peters). In theory Philly should be looking at Vitai as the successor to Peters.
Andre Dillard, their 1st round pick last year, is the successor to Peters and he's currently their starting LT as Peters is out injured. Dillard got the start last Sunday vs Buffalo and did well.