2019 NFL: Trade Deadline Thread

[Soxy]

I just realized that, barring another trade to acquire a first down the line, they will go from 2017 thru 2021 without making a first round pick. That's insane. Is there any precedent of another team not picking in the first round for five years in a row?

Take a look at Washington's draft history in the first round. Specifically, look at 1969-1990. It's nuts.

It starts with a stretch of 11 consecutive years (1969-1979) where they don't make a single first round pick.

Then, from 1980-1983, they made three first round picks: Art Monk (1980), Mark May (1981), and Darrell Green (1983). Two Hall of Famers and a guy who had a 12 year career as a starting O-lineman, none picked higher than #18 overall (Monk). Hard to do much better than that.

Then, from 1984-1990, they go another 7 years without making a first round pick, before taking a guy named Bobby Wilson in 1991. I don't think I've ever heard of him until now.

In sum, they made only 3 first round picks over that 22 year span from 1969-1990, a stretch that included not making any first round picks at all during the entire decade of the 1970s. That's a pretty bizarre stretch that I can't imagine will ever be replicated.

 

[nattysez]

Not only is one of those guys Goff, but another is a RB that can't stay on the field and another is a WR that is good but not elite.

DD is impressed by the Rams' cap management. Don't forget that the cap hits on Goff and Gurley if they trade or release them before the end of next season are HUGE -- they HAVE to keep them on the roster. Goff's dead cap money next year would be $51m and Gurley's would be $25m.

 

[Morgan's Magic Snowplow]

Take a look at Washington's draft history in the first round. Specifically, look at 1969-1990. It's nuts.

It starts with a stretch of 11 consecutive years (1969-1979) where they don't make a single first round pick.

Then, from 1980-1983, they made three first round picks: Art Monk (1980), Mark May (1981), and Darrell Green (1983). Two Hall of Famers and a guy who had a 12 year career as a starting O-lineman, none picked higher than #18 overall (Monk). Hard to do much better than that.

Then, from 1984-1990, they go another 7 years without making a first round pick, before taking a guy named Bobby Wilson in 1991. I don't think I've ever heard of him until now.

In sum, they made only 3 first round picks over that 22 year span from 1969-1990, a stretch that included not making any first round picks at all during the entire decade of the 1970s. That's a pretty bizarre stretch that I can't imagine will ever be replicated.

Wow. That is pretty amazing.

 

[E5 Yaz]

Those of you who don't remember the George Allen teams can only imagine

 

[Rough Carrigan]

Those of you who don't remember the George Allen teams can only imagine

The future is now.
And this is the first day of the rest of your life.

 

[Ed Hillel]

I love Gilmore but if someone offered the Pats that same haul for him, I'd have to consider pulling the trigger.

On second thought, not till after the Superbowl.

Two late firsts for the best corner in the game on a good contract? No thanks!

Still hate it for the Rams with Ramsay, though. Malcontent who will command absolute top dollar or sit out. Not team oriented, center of attention guy. No thanks!

 

[j-man]

the only thing u need is a LT like trent willimas or a WR like E Sanders Den

 

[Mugsy's Jock]

They know Ramsey isn’t a QB right?

They didn’t know Goff wasn’t a QB, so it doesn’t surprise me they couldn’t properly identify Ramsey.

 

[joe dokes]

The future is now.
And this is the first day of the rest of your life.

The "Over the Hill Gang."

 

[SeoulSoxFan]

I think this was mentioned upthread but how about a Bennett for Amendola trade? Here are the two contracts:

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/detroit-lions/danny-amendola-5905/https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-england-patriots/michael-bennett-7709/
Amendola just came back from an injury, recording a reception on his only target. Could this be a win-win type situation?

P. S This could be a Deion Branch type of move. Pats traded a 4th rounder to Seattle to acquire him, when the receiver group was also in question after the Moss trade. Other WR were Welker, Tate, Price, and young Edelman.

 

[InstaFace]

Best CB in the game huh?

If Gilmore had real Twitter game, he'd reply to that tweet saying "I'm going to start calling Ian Rapoport the 'best NFL news reporter' <emoji emoji>".

...or if he's legitimately pissed, ask Schefter if he violated HIPAA to bring us this news.

 

[Time to Mo Vaughn]

I think this was mentioned upthread but how about a Bennett for Amendola trade? Here are the two contracts:

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/detroit-lions/danny-amendola-5905/https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-england-patriots/michael-bennett-7709/
Amendola just came back from an injury, recording a reception on his only target. Could this be a win-win type situation?

P. S This could be a Deion Branch type of move. Pats traded a 4th rounder to Seattle to acquire him, when the receiver group was also in question after the Moss trade. Other WR were Welker, Tate, Price, and young Edelman.

I see the need for depth at the WR position, but is Danny Amendola really the answer? He turns 34 in two weeks, and was the 3rd or 4th option when younger and healthy. I guess he may have more upside than Meyers or Gunner, but he'd be behind Edelman, Gordon, Dorsett and Harry. Do we think the Patriots are going to carry 7 WRs and do we want one already dealing with injuries?

 

[Willie Clay's Big Play]

I see the need for depth at the WR position, but is Danny Amendola really the answer? He turns 34 in two weeks, and was the 3rd or 4th option when younger and healthy. I guess he may have more upside than Meyers or Gunner, but he'd be behind Edelman, Gordon, Dorsett and Harry. Do we think the Patriots are going to carry 7 WRs and do we want one already dealing with injuries?

I'm on board with this line of thinking. The name has more value than the player at this point, especially when you look at the depth chart. You could make the argument that it's worth building the additional depth in that positional group, but it's rich for an aging depth piece that may not be better than our current depth pieces. Juice ain't worth the squeeze. (this is often used in our office, was happy to see it used here as well).

 

[BigSoxFan]

I will say this, I do have concerns about Gunner fielding punts in January. May be completely unfounded but Amendola would put me more at ease there.

 

[Time to Mo Vaughn]

I will say this, I do have concerns about Gunner fielding punts in January. May be completely unfounded but Amendola would put me more at ease there.

Not sure if this will help, but Gunner has fielded 17 punts this year, and obviously had the one big fumble. Amendola fielded two punts so far this year (both cleanly) and only 11 last year. He fumbled one and muffed another.

 

[joe dokes]

I will say this, I do have concerns about Gunner fielding punts in January. May be completely unfounded but Amendola would put me more at ease there.

If Edelman is still alive, he might get the high-leverage punt returns in the playoffs. Part of Gunner's role is to help preserve Edelman for that.

 

[5dice]

I will say this, I do have concerns about Gunner fielding punts in January. May be completely unfounded but Amendola would put me more at ease there.

If his sample size of one muffed punt wasn't a touchdown the other way, would you be more confident?

 

[BigSoxFan]

If his sample size of one muffed punt wasn't a touchdown the other way, would you be more confident?

It’s really more of the Chris Harper effect. It’s such a tough job, especially in January, that I want more experience back there. It’s not just about catching the ball but also when to retreat, let it go, etc. I am highly risk averse on punts come playoff time. I would almost rather they let everything go.

 

[BaseballJones]

The one major benefit of having Amendola here is that he comes up huge in the playoffs and Brady fully trusts him.

 

[wade boggs chicken dinner]

Those of you who don't remember the George Allen teams can only imagine

Those of you who don't remember George Allen can only imagine.

Here's a brief article that captures the spirit: https://247sports.com/nfl/washington-redskins/Article/Glory-Days-George-Allen-104030028/.

From that article: "During his tenure, the Redskins traded every first round pick. But he didn't stop with just the first choice. Only once in his seven years did he not trade each of his first four selections. That came in his first season when the team picked receiver Cotton Speyrer in the second round. Before camp opened, Speyrer was shipped to Baltimore for Roy Jefferson."

 

[joe dokes]

Those of you who don't remember George Allen can only imagine.

Here's a brief article that captures the spirit: https://247sports.com/nfl/washington-redskins/Article/Glory-Days-George-Allen-104030028/.

From that article: "During his tenure, the Redskins traded every first round pick. But he didn't stop with just the first choice. Only once in his seven years did he not trade each of his first four selections. That came in his first season when the team picked receiver Cotton Speyrer in the second round. Before camp opened, Speyrer was shipped to Baltimore for Roy Jefferson."

Wow. Cotton Speyrer. Haven't heard that name in awhile. The best WR on a wishbone Texas team that ran 5 times more than it passed.

 

[moondog80]

Take a look at Washington's draft history in the first round. Specifically, look at 1969-1990. It's nuts.

It starts with a stretch of 11 consecutive years (1969-1979) where they don't make a single first round pick.

Then, from 1980-1983, they made three first round picks: Art Monk (1980), Mark May (1981), and Darrell Green (1983). Two Hall of Famers and a guy who had a 12 year career as a starting O-lineman, none picked higher than #18 overall (Monk). Hard to do much better than that.

Then, from 1984-1990, they go another 7 years without making a first round pick, before taking a guy named Bobby Wilson in 1991. I don't think I've ever heard of him until now.

In sum, they made only 3 first round picks over that 22 year span from 1969-1990, a stretch that included not making any first round picks at all during the entire decade of the 1970s. That's a pretty bizarre stretch that I can't imagine will ever be replicated.

What do we make of the fact that in this time, they went 221-115 and went to the Super Bowl 5 times, winning 3 of them?

 

[wade boggs chicken dinner]

What do we make of the fact that in this time, they went 221-115 and went to the Super Bowl 5 times, winning 3 of them?

it was a different era?

George Allen may have paid veterans well, but he didn't pay that well. Trying to build a team with veterans who can play wouldn't work under the new salary cap rules.

I suppose if you had a super duper talent scouting personnel in place, a team in MLB or NFL could find a tremendous amount of value signing veteran casts off to short-term, low dollar deals. Problem is that figuring out which of those veterans can play versus those who are washed up seems as much of a crapshoot as drafting.

 

[RetractableRoof]

it was a different era?

George Allen may have paid veterans well, but he didn't pay that well. Trying to build a team with veterans who can play wouldn't work under the new salary cap rules.

I suppose if you had a super duper talent scouting personnel in place, a team in MLB or NFL could find a tremendous amount of value signing veteran casts off to short-term, low dollar deals. Problem is that figuring out which of those veterans can play versus those who are washed up seems as much of a crapshoot as drafting.

Isn't that the Dan Duquette model?

 

[Harry Hooper]

it was a different era?

George Allen may have paid veterans well, but he didn't pay that well. Trying to build a team with veterans who can play wouldn't work under the new salary cap rules.

I suppose if you had a super duper talent scouting personnel in place, a team in MLB or NFL could find a tremendous amount of value signing veteran casts off to short-term, low dollar deals. Problem is that figuring out which of those veterans can play versus those who are washed up seems as much of a crapshoot as drafting.

Just to make it even tougher now is the fact that the time spent by players in camp and in practices is more limited, so confidently separating the wheat from the chaff is less possible.

 

[RetractableRoof]

Just to make it even tougher now is the fact that the time spent by players in camp and in practices is more limited, so confidently separating the wheat from the chaff is less possible.

That's a good point. Doesn't that put a higher premium on players with a high football IQ? Then separating those that still can (or weren't put in the right position for their skills) from those that no longer can is more a physical question. Put them through a physically demanding camp, and see which ones are going to wilt or aren't willing to put the work in any more. I know it's not this easy, but isn't that a reasonable approach if you already have a functioning framework to slot these guys into?

I think that is part of why BB seems to value his film sessions with the players prior to the draft.

 

[joe dokes]

What do we make of the fact that in this time, they went 221-115 and went to the Super Bowl 5 times, winning 3 of them?

Allen had win-now success with his old players He left, the dues had to be paid and it wasnt until Joe Gibbs came in 1981(in the midst of some relative drafting sanity) that they started winning big again. I think the takeaway is that Allen succesfully mortgaged the short term future in a huge way and that Gibbs deserves to be in the Hall of Fame.

 

[RedOctober3829]

Players that haven't been talked about much that I'd like the Patriots to take a look at.

--Denver safety Justin Simmons and OT Garett Bolles
--LA Chargers TE Hunter Henry(last year of his deal)
--Atlanta DE Vic Beasley(last year of his deal)
--NY Giants safety Jabrill Peppers(Chung replacement long-term)
--TB WR Chris Godwin(if they are selling, he'd fetch back a lot)

 

[SeoulSoxFan]

--TB WR Chris Godwin(if they are selling, he'd fetch back a lot)

If you're the Bucs, wouldn't the smarter move would be get a bigger haul by trading Evans and keep Godwin?

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/tampa-bay-buccaneers/mike-evans-14416/

 

[DJnVa]

I guess I don't understand why the Chargers would trade a 24 year old Henry. They like throwing to the TE. Additionally, he's played 2 games in last 2 seasons. Tough to give up much for him.

Also, same question--why would the Giants be shopping Peppers?

 

[RedOctober3829]

If you're the Bucs, wouldn't the smarter move would be get a bigger haul by trading Evans and keep Godwin?

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/tampa-bay-buccaneers/mike-evans-14416/

IMO, more likely to get more back for Godwin because he's cheap. Evans may be the better player but way more expensive to pay for.

 

[SeoulSoxFan]

IMO, more likely to get more back for Godwin because he's cheap. Evans may be the better player but way more expensive to pay for.

If you're a smart GM, that is. I bet there are more than a few front offices who would pay more for a "proven" All Pro with a "track record" with more years under control over Godwin (UFA after the 2020 season).

 

[Willie Clay's Big Play]

Why would BA, in his first year, be looking to move either? Maybe Evans, due to cost vs production. That same cost would make it prohibitive for BB.

 

[E5 Yaz]

The NFLN team doing the London game last week was constantly ripping Evans for not finishing routes, twice leading to INTs

 

[Willie Clay's Big Play]

The NFLN team doing the London game last week was constantly ripping Evans for not finishing routes, twice leading to INTs

I miss Mayock calling games with a barren field of F's.

 

[pappymojo]

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/cordy-glenn-reportedly-wants-bengals-to-release-him-over-treatment-for-concussion/
Bengals Tackle asks to be released. Missed a lot of time due to concussions.

 

[Lose Remerswaal]

He could just retire, couldn't he?

 

[pappymojo]

He could just retire, couldn't he?

Yeah, but I think he's more upset about the way the organization treated him while he was dealing with the injury. I don't think his career is finished.

During Glenn's two months on the sideline, the team was apparently at odds with Glenn about his recovery timetable. As a matter of fact, things got so bad between Glenn and the Bengals that the team fined him $200,000 for for conduct detrimental to the team, according to Pro Football Talk.

 

[SeoulSoxFan]

Not sure of the source but PLEASE make this happen:

View: https://twitter.com/OpenTableSports/status/1185202129704751109?s=20

 

[j44thor]

I didn't realize Hooper is an impending UFA, sign me up for some Hooper. Would rather pass on Sanu and his 7.9 cap hit next year though.
Have to figure ATL will try to resign Hooper but they have so much $$ tied up on offensive side perhaps they can't fit him in.

 

[Harry Hooper]

Why not Sanu in 2020? Pats are far from over-stocked in the receiving corps going forward.

 

[DJnVa]

Not sure of the source but PLEASE make this happen:

View: https://twitter.com/OpenTableSports/status/1185202129704751109?s=20

I'm gonna need a little more than Open Table Sports...

 

[E5 Yaz]

I'm gonna need a little more than Open Table Sports...

Matt Degnan has chunks of Jake Wesley in his stool

 

[BigSoxFan]

Why not Sanu in 2020? Pats are far from over-stocked in the receiving corps going forward.

You really want a 31 year-old WR who runs in quicksand? I’d take him this year but he’s probably teeing up on the 15th hole right now.

 

[Time to Mo Vaughn]

I didn't realize Hooper is an impending UFA, sign me up for some Hooper. Would rather pass on Sanu and his 7.9 cap hit next year though.
Have to figure ATL will try to resign Hooper but they have so much $$ tied up on offensive side perhaps they can't fit him in.

He is cuttable next year for $1.4M. I'm not quite sure how they can fit him and Hooper this year. His base is $6M, so if he's on the roster for half the season, so he'd be about $3M this season. Hooper only costs $2M for the season, so that'd be about $1M to the Patriots. The combination would be ~$4M and Miguel has them currently at $2.88M of cap space. I'm sure negotiating a contract or two would result in enough space, but it's gonna be really tight for the rest of the year.

Edit: Trading Bennett whether as part of the deal (not sure why Atlanta would be interested) or somewhere else for a draft pick would also clear up the necessary space.

 

[k-factory]

He is cuttable next year for $1.4M. I'm not quite sure how they can fit him and Hooper this year. His base is $6M, so if he's on the roster for half the season, so he'd be about $3M this season. Hooper only costs $2M for the season, so that'd be about $1M to the Patriots. The combination would be ~$4M and Miguel has them currently at $2.88M of cap space. I'm sure negotiating a contract or two would result in enough space, but it's gonna be really tight for the rest of the year.

Unless they trade Bennett?

 

[Seels]

Hooper would be fantasy dream for me. He might be the only guy that has been linked that gets me excited at all.

 

[SeoulSoxFan]

I'm gonna need a little more than Open Table Sports...

Don't ruin my buzz, man...

I posted about Hooper up thread. Not sure how urgent Dimitrof is in extending him.

Evan Lazar is cleaning up for CLNS (I'd be shocked if he does not get a big time gig in 2 years). On his latest report, he says NE has asked about Sanders and Elways has said "not yet". He also lists O.J. Howard as the ideal TE target and WR Alex Erickson as an Adam Humphreys clone:

View: https://youtu.be/ubuQCDeukKA

P. S. ...and on cue, Phil Perry on Hooper & Sanders:

https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/patriots-mailbag-could-patriots-pry-austin-hooper-falcons-trade

 

[RedOctober3829]

Don't ruin my buzz, man...

I posted about Hooper up thread. Not sure how urgent Dimitrof is in extending him.

Evan Lazar is cleaning up for CLNS (I'd be shocked if he does not get a big time gig in 2 years). On his latest report, he says NE has asked about Sanders and Elways has said "not yet". He also lists O.J. Howard as the ideal TE target and WR Alex Erickson as an Adam Humphreys clone:

View: https://youtu.be/ubuQCDeukKA

Erickson is not being thrown to in Cincinnati. He's had 11 catches for 109 yards on 15 targets in 6 games.

 

[bsj]

Erickson is not being thrown to in Cincinnati. He's had 11 catches for 109 yards on 15 targets in 6 games.

erickson is a sleepers sleeper. I like him.